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Isn't the Canoness restricted to a single Relic though?

I think you are allowed to take more than one. The orks codex is where the 1 relic per model rule started , if I recall.

The standard interpretation has been a single relic per. The wording is the same as the SM codex IIRC which has the same restriction.

It's very very debatable.

All you need to do is look at the Command Squad Dialogus and how she can "take itemS from the Relics list".

Most Codex have a "Swap one weapon for one Relic" to balance things out a bit, but it is uncertain at best ( compared to the Ork Codex)

The wording in the Sisters' dex in the wargear section is

"A model can take one of the following. Only one of each Eccelsiarchy relic may be taken per army."

So yeah, only one relic per model, with the possible exception of the Dialogous. It's not even as fuzzy as "May swap one weapon for one of the following" which could be interpreted to mean that if you swap a second weapon you can get a second relic.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
The wording in the Sisters' dex in the wargear section is

"A model can take one of the following. Only one of each Eccelsiarchy relic may be taken per army."

So yeah, only one relic per model, with the possible exception of the Dialogous. It's not even as fuzzy as "May swap one weapon for one of the following" which could be interpreted to mean that if you swap a second weapon you can get a second relic.

Thing is, why would the dialogus suddenly be a very rare case and exception?
On YMDC the conclusion seemed to point towards any "take items from lists A, B & C" to let you go through the lists repeatedly, just as the Dialogus would take:

only ONE mantle, then take only ONE cloak, then take only ONE Relic, etc.
Either that or they correct the Dialogus

Least powerful interpretation in these cases is often best.

Well at least I know you watched it far enough to get to the army list. Haha. I appreciate the watches. But two things. I'm using an older hard copy of the Sisters codex, one I printed out on the day the codex was released, the wording is more nebulous in that one, apparently.

Also, campaign rules were that we can make a special commander from our main codex using up to 200 points for the entire thing. (That didn't count against our Army allowance but could only be used during certain games) That included the base cost of the model. No named characters.

Everyone else was taking Flying Hive Tyrants, Chapter Masters on bikes, Deamon princes or Lords of Change - I was left with a Cannoness. So the campaign runner decided to go with a more nebulous ruling on the relics to at least get her close to the 200 points the others were running.

I'd ask player permission to run her in a friendly game or ask a TO for a Tourney but I never run her in those situations so it would never come up. Even with all those relics, I'm still the only person with points to spare.

Did the Blade make any difference? AP2 Help at all?

Even if we could take ALL the relics, i'm not sure i'd take a canoness and not sure which Relics i'd use.

If you could take all the relics, it would be possible to build a cannoness with S5 AP3 attacks at initiative who rerolls her 3+ and is an EW. She could single-handedly cut down MEQ squads, but I feel like Celestine still does it better (though granted the canoness wouldn't fear a power fist).

Really the canoness needs an option for 2+ armor and some sort of mobility option like a jump pack.

Mavnas wrote:
Really the canoness needs an option for 2+ armor and some sort of mobility option like a jump pack.

Ahem.

 BlackTalos wrote:
Did the Blade make any difference? AP2 Help at all?

Even if we could take ALL the relics, i'm not sure i'd take a canoness and not sure which Relics i'd use.

Blade's not AP 2, it's AP3 S5 Master crafted. With all the relics combined (Or most of them, anyway) she actually turned out pretty killy. The main issue, however, is that she costs a lot of points, (Points that would make the rest of the army more robust) Many other HQ choices are way more killy or at least buff the army in a more profound way, and - this is the main killer - in an all Sisters army - there simply isn't any place to put her. She can mulch stuff but where do I put her? With Repentia? On foot? Not worth it. In a Rhino? Not worth it either. In a Celestian Squad? Hahahah. Why would you take them? In a Command squad that's made to be killy? Maybe, but once again, how do you ACTUALLY get her to combat.

It's safe to say that if I could take all the important relics. I still wouldn't take the Cannoess. That's the most damning thing about her. She just DOESN'T have a place. If we had an assault vehicle or she could take a jump pack so she could get to combat she'd be great. Right now. Not worth it. As is I'm just taking it because she's free points and might kill a guy. She will fold to the other Special commanders.

For 125 points you get a Canoness with a rosarius, an eviscerator and the Mantle of Ophelia. Thats not terrible. She can deal with 2+, has a 4+ Invuln herself and eternal warrior.

I do agree with the issues in getting her into combat though. I've had success running her with celestians and some Priests in a rhino (that squad is surprisingly capable in CC, with majority WS4 from the Celestians and the rerolls to hits, wounds and saves that the priests give). Timing and postioning for the bailout from the rhno is tricky though. Still, as far as melee options go for Sisters its pretty good imo.

I don't run Canonesses, but I've never had problems getting my blob squad filled with Jaco, priests and inquisitors (scout book) into combat...why not just stick her in one of them?

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I run mech. As my videos show. lol

Best use for a Canoness that I've found is as an additional pair of meltaguns in a Dominion squad, to be honest.

I've tried that settup before (2x inferno pistols) and it works well when the unit targets terminators/MC's, but is always lacking in range when going up against vehicles.

I generally don't bother with her due to inefficient use of points. I almost always look at her on paper and say, is that all you do for us? How about learning how to use a jump pack...

I have taken some advice and tweaked my list. I have 4 1850 pts list I have the models for now. Any thoughts or feedback on them?

Nothing earth shattering just basic list

St Celestine list:

1850 pt Cannoness

1850 pts Uriah Jacobus

1850 Sister Technicas (using hq as 4th heavy slot)

 SQRT(-2) wrote:
I have taken some advice and tweaked my list. I have 4 1850 pts list I have the models for now. Any thoughts or feedback on them?

Nothing earth shattering just basic list

St Celestine list:

Spoiler:

Saint Celestine 135

9 Battle Sisters: Simulacrum Imperialis; flamer; multi-melta; Sister Superior (chainsword; combi-flamer) 143
• Sororitas Rhino 40
9 Battle Sisters: Simulacrum Imperialis; flamer; multi-melta; Sister Superior (chainsword; combi-flamer) 143
• Sororitas Rhino 40
9 Battle Sisters: Simulacrum Imperialis; flamer; multi-melta; Sister Superior (chainsword; combi-flamer) 143
• Sororitas Rhino 40

9 Dominions: boltguns; 4× meltagun; Dominion Superior (chainsword; combi-melta; melta bombs) 172
• Sororitas Rhino: laud hailer 50
5 Dominions: 4× meltagun; Dominion Superior (combi-melta) 115
• Immolator: twin-linked multi-melta; laud hailer 70
10 Seraphim: Seraphim Superior (chainsword; plasma pistol) 175

Exorcist 125
Exorcist 125
Exorcist 125

Ministorum Priests
• Ministorum Priest: plasma gun 40
• Ministorum Priest: plasma gun 40
• Ministorum Priest: plasma gun 40
• Ministorum Priest: plasma gun 40
• Ministorum Priest: plasma gun 40

1,841 points

I'd trade the 4 extra sisters and simulacrum in each squad (58 points x3) for another squad.
Also, if you can in your local meta, I'd go with Repressors over Rhinos.

I never considereal priests with plasma in the squad for sisters. How is that working out?

I have really not had a chance to really try me out. I was using them with combi-framers, but they were not that good except for over watch. I hope to get some games soon, I'll report how they go.

 Celtic Strike wrote:
I never considereal priests with plasma in the squad for sisters. How is that working out?

I used to run the 1 priest with Plasma gun for a while...

You tend to notice the BS3 and how you end up with a 50% chance to Hit and a 20% chance to overheat, fudging your 2 shots.....
As you can tell, i've given up on that...

Preferred enemy helps...

Depending on your build, if you have an all Sister's Army, a Canoness with a combi melta and 1 on the command tree is a really nice buff to the rest of your army.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Best use for a Canoness that I've found is as an additional pair of meltaguns in a Dominion squad, to be honest.

 pretre wrote:
Preferred enemy helps...

I suppose if they're in a blob you'd only ever get that 1 or 2 shots...

But having him in BSS driving around in Rhinos, the purpose is relatively lost... might as well take the Melta and save the 25pts. Although i guess it would be taking him for the other bonuses

Oh, I agree that I wouldn't take him in min mech squads, but that's just me.

Has anyone checked out Shield of Baal: Exterminatus? The Flesh Tearers Strike Force only requires a HQ, one troop, one FA. The key is that there are 6 FA slots. If you ever wanted a AS Drop Pod Assault force, you can take all 6 slots with Drop Pods and stick your Doms and Flaming Rets in them or Battle Sisters....

Good catch. I'll have to take a look.

That is interesting, I didn't see that one

Yeah, take a tac squad in a drop pod for your troop choice, and you get 4 of your sisters pods down on turn one