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I'll go out on a limb here a bit. The lack of the big bug makes this entire rumour list VERY sketchy to me, because I know it is coming. However, Larry Vela/Bigred did say that he expects other new model releases to be added to the list as they are 'revealed' in the rumours.
And Adam Troke being the author? I know he had a hand in a few army books recently, but being the primary author of a codex when he is part of the White Dwarf team? Very doubtful.
If true not an awful gant change up, for the same price as a current Dev-Gant you could get a poison shot Dev-gant which may help with taking out hostile monsterous creatures (sporing in 10 dev-gant with grubs = 30 poison shots).
I'm holding off on getting warriors at the moment because of the new kit but unsure if loading up on the currently (cheaper) one is a better option?
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Afterall, only the Tau and Eldar have gotten those "Big" kits.
CSM/CD/DA/SM didn't come with any overly sized kit.
I would be really surprised if they gave one of the highest profile codexes to a new codex writer.
Well you'd better buckle up because that big monster is coming AFAIK
Troke isn't new to codices/army books, he co-wrote 6th Edition Eldar and wrote the 7th Edition High Elves book.
Jeremy Vetock's first 40K codex was Dark Angels, followed by Tau, after all. Just like Matt Ward's first 40K codex was Space Marines.
2013/12/08 09:24:51
Subject: Re:Tyranid Release in January (second pic)
Yeah -could be a footprint issue. Could also be the new model is so much better he is replacing them?
Edit: Endobai over on Warseer has mentioned that there will be a data slate with the codex- referencing an old 3rd ed build which was quite nasty- Mycetic Swarm? I never got to play it but it looked fierce and would make sense if the Mycetic Spore was anew shiny shiny kit.
He also said half of the BoLs list was wrong [model wise].
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silverstu wrote: Yeah -could be a footprint issue. Could also be the new model is so much better he is replacing them?
Edit: Endobai over on Warseer has mentioned that there will be a data slate with the codex- referencing an old 3rd ed build which was quite nasty- Mycetic Swarm? I never got to play it but it looked fierce and would make sense if the Mycetic Spore was anew shiny shiny kit.
He also said half of the BoLs list was wrong [model wise].
It was borderline broken, if I remember. Everything could drop into pretty reliable locations and rush straight into combat. There was another "endless swarm" type thing where units kept reappearing. It was a White Dwarf list, wasn't it?
Not a good idea.
I want strong Tyranids (as they won't and shouldn't have allies), but not auto-pilot for the win Tyranids.
Endobai has just posted and says it will have that sort of flavour- BUT it isn't an army-wide rule, more an individual formation within the army and won't be as broken as the old version.
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"Different name, different rules (I hope!), but in general similar thought behind it. A formation from models in the codex, so not an entire army.
I cannot confirm it fully because too many people will get too exited leading to another 5 pages of discussion on DakkaDakka (cheers guys!) and it will be much less than they will hope for. A nice, (hopefully) flavourish addition, but not the Mycetic Swarm people hated/loved in early 2000s."
Which would also strongly suggest the Spore is in the codex and gets a new model. Beasts of war must be throwing their old spores out because they don't match up to the new kit .
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2013/12/08 10:55:01
Subject: Re:Tyranid Release in January (second pic)
Yep, that is a good idea. Half of it is completely wrong, mistaken or just slightly off the mark.
But hell, there could be a second wave so untill the codex is there it is not certain.
Can't say if the rules are, though - again as long as the codex is not released.
EDIT: Also, what the hell, expect a dataslate with the release. Nothing unexpected something like this appears I realise, but it will apparently give another option to create an army.
3rd edition players will notice some similarity between it and one evil, sickly powerful army list from a decade ago; though I seriously hope it will be only representing similar idea, but without the rules almost every non-Tyranid player hated back then.
BTW the Warrior part comparison graph was done by Vhalyar.
BoW's remark didn't sound to me like "cool, I'll be getting new Spore Models", nor do I doubt they'd shed any tears over 5-year-old conversions. They are a "news-channel" and would love tinkering with new models, even if they had older conversions.
Sadly I cannot confirm its release, but it doesn't mean it is removed from the book. Might be an issue with the model, a second wave release or a dozen of different problems.
Right now it is amongst the half of the list which is not coming.
And the dataslate - similar thought, different execution...
Sorry for cryptic messages, but my head would roll otherwise... plus I wouldnt choose Endobai for the nick if it wasn't at least a bit meaningful from time to time.
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2013/12/08 12:02:37
Subject: Re:Tyranid Release in January (second pic)
Looking at another pic of Tyranid Warriors in the new Strong Point book, they're just the current Warriors with the FineCost arms, not new ones.
brassangel wrote: 1 per 10 can take: +10 pt Strangleweb +15 pt Electroshock Spitter (S4 AP6 Template Assault 1)
Given that bitz for these two things don't exist, I doubt they'll be in the Codex. I'd like to be wrong, but GW doesn't release things without models these days.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: Looking at another pic of Tyranid Warriors in the new Strong Point book, they're just the current Warriors with the FineCost arms, not new ones.
brassangel wrote: 1 per 10 can take:
+10 pt Strangleweb
+15 pt Electroshock Spitter (S4 AP6 Template Assault 1)
Given that bitz for these two things don't exist, I doubt they'll be in the Codex. I'd like to be wrong, but GW doesn't release things without models these days.
Though if I recall correctly, didn't they recut the basic marines spruce to include grav weapons? Or am I imagining things?
If they did then I wouldn't rule out the gaunt box being recut to add spitters and stranglewebs.
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A re-cut sprue with new weapons sounds fine with me.
Also, those warriors in the pic look like originals to me.
The one at the front however, i would guess is a prime due to the toxin vents/chimneys on its back.
Also, im not all that fussy to have big monsters, we have them anyway.
I just want the fex to be a viable option again.
Oh boy, I cannot wait for this release, I can see me being a very poor uni student for a while, oh well wasting student loans is what us uni lads do best!
Hopefully those new warriors do come with wings, that means I'm building a flying nid force, gargoyles by the thousands back upped by flyrants, shrikes and even flying rippers. Who cares if it's not legal, show those space marines what death from the skies really means!
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2013/12/08 13:58:36
Subject: Re:Tyranid Release in January (second pic)
tomball0706 wrote: Oh boy, I cannot wait for this release, I can see me being a very poor uni student for a while, oh well wasting student loans is what us uni lads do best!
Hopefully those new warriors do come with wings, that means I'm building a flying nid force, gargoyles by the thousands back upped by flyrants, shrikes and even flying rippers. Who cares if it's not legal, show those space marines what death from the skies really means!
If the rumors are true you'll be able to take gargs as troops choices with a flyrant.
I already have 9 shrikes and 2 harpys so my flying force is going to rule
Seems like while we are creeping closer to the release, we still get noise and conflicting rumors.
While GW has made it a point not to release a codex that is missing models in 6e, we have a couple precedents to look at here. First, the fantasy dark elf army book came out with models in 2 waves. If GW follows that approach we might get mycetic spores in February for example. Alternatively the stronghold book has rules for void shield generators and promethium pipes - yet no models exist for these currently.
In any case it's an exciting time to be a tyranid player.
Been out of the game for awhile, trying to find time to get back into it.
2013/12/08 14:25:06
Subject: Re:Tyranid Release in January (second pic)
tomball0706 wrote: Oh boy, I cannot wait for this release, I can see me being a very poor uni student for a while, oh well wasting student loans is what us uni lads do best!
Hopefully those new warriors do come with wings, that means I'm building a flying nid force, gargoyles by the thousands back upped by flyrants, shrikes and even flying rippers. Who cares if it's not legal, show those space marines what death from the skies really means!
If the rumors are true you'll be able to take gargs as troops choices with a flyrant.
I already have 9 shrikes and 2 harpys so my flying force is going to rule
Oh my spose I better hurry up and paint those 80 gargoyles I've got sitting on my desk! Pesky chaos space marines been taking up all my time.
I'm yet to create myself a harpy, but hopefully the "big bug" we're getting will be that, but knowing GWs recent releases, it'll probably look worse than anything before. Here's to hoping for the best
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endobai wrote:
Ok, that is easy and spoils nothing. No author named.
Apparently right now it is a work of the entire team, but no real suprise here either with rumours about shared work circulating for a while...
Interesting - the escalation and stronghold books were authored by the "GW design team". Maybe this is a new direction with all their materials going forward.
Been out of the game for awhile, trying to find time to get back into it.
2013/12/08 14:46:49
Subject: Re:Tyranid Release in January (second pic)
Endobai over at Warseer wrote:Ok, that is easy and spoils nothing. No author named.
Apparently right now it is a work of the entire team, but no real suprise here either with rumours about shared work circulating for a while...
Anyway I fully expect some images in next 6 days. As usual first probably something blurry, made by an old mobile phone camera from a wrong angle so that people can discuss how utterly ugly it is and they will never buy it.
I dislike one release from the Tyranid wave, but the rest seems fine or better than fine.
And the cover of the codex is all right, though could probably be better.
The data slate- when I read up on the original Mycetic spore list I think it was more just the deployment type of it- plus it was cool as it represented a specific stage of a tyrannid invasion- so good flavour fluff wise but I wouldn't want anything overpowered - it's just not fun to fight against.
The early invasion theme is still here, but this time without "drop a brood of Genestealers on their heads and see them kill everybody" mode.
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