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Oh my god... A genestealer list. Theyre gak cheap on eBay and look awesome. A prime made from a broodlord to lead it... Ouh yeah

 Fafnir wrote:
Good god, those prices are insane.

There are cheaper hobbies...

And are we going to see these leaked codex photos here or just pics of models we've already seen?

 tetrisphreak wrote:
My Mega Bloks Dragon Universe eggs, while no longer drop spores, will make good LOS blocking terrain for my home table.

At $10 per spore, i'm not too upset over it, though i can see why people who spent $40 to $50 per spod are definitely miffed over losing the things.

Meh it's a bummer but thats the risk that comes with buying GW minatures, its not different to me buying 6 carnifexes for this edition, just to have them go back to overpriced basura the codex after.

The miffing for me (only speaking for myself, I'm sure others are downright pissed about the time spent on their modelling being wasted) is that we just had a transport unit that added so many playstyle options to different units (and was literally the only reason some of them worked at all) pulled out of the dex for no apparent reason - other than just to satisfy the "every unit with rules will have a model" promise. This is extremely disappointing and a solid loss for anyone who enjoyed doing different things than maining a monobuild.

 SHUPPET wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
My Mega Bloks Dragon Universe eggs, while no longer drop spores, will make good LOS blocking terrain for my home table.

At $10 per spore, i'm not too upset over it, though i can see why people who spent $40 to $50 per spod are definitely miffed over losing the things.

Meh it's a bummer but thats the risk that comes with buying GW minatures, its not different to me buying 6 carnifexes for this edition, just to have them go back to overpriced basura the codex after.

This is rare. GW invalidates very few models. In the limited scope of the Internet RAAAAGE era, however, I guess they have killed off a lot. Talk to a Sqauts or Zoats player.

It definitely feels that the Spore was removed to spite the Chapterhouses of the world.

Hopefully that deep strike option will still exist for a large number of those units. But one of the big boons of the spore was also the LoS blocking you could use for some of your guys when they landed. We know from looking at the troops choice entry that only the rippers seem to have it now.

But I would say the spore was part of the monobuild at least when it came to DoM and the devilgaunt bomb.

No matter how many options we have in any codex at a competitive level doesn't it almost always end up being pretty close to a monobuild?

tetrisphreak wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:
Yeah can't wait to see what they've done with him this edition, I'm hoping he has some serious psychological warfare going on.

Also did the Harpy or Crone ever take a grounding check in that battle report?

It was never mentioned, either because the tau players were too busy shooting the ground units, or perhaps they have an immunity to grounding...


If you look though the pictures of the batrep, the turn that the hive fleet Behemoth crone showed up she vector struck farsight's unit (in the front of the nid's DZ) and ended up nearly at half-table (they were playing a 4x8, hammer and anvil deployment). While that is very VERY light on facts, i have a FEELING that the Harpy and the Crone will have a movement of 18"-36" when they swoop, unlike standard FMCs.

Edited to add deployment style.

They also don't have legs....

BeeCee wrote:
It definitely feels that the Spore was removed to spite the Chapterhouses of the world.

Hopefully that deep strike option will still exist for a large number of those units. But one of the big boons of the spore was also the LoS blocking you could use for some of your guys when they landed. We know from looking at the troops choice entry that only the rippers seem to have it now.

But I would say the spore was part of the monobuild at least when it came to DoM and the devilgaunt bomb.

No matter how many options we have in any codex at a competitive level doesn't it almost always end up being pretty close to a monobuild?

You are somewhat right, there is always likely going to be something the internet deems as "the best build". But I think the worry is having a dex full of useless units with only a few playables. E.G. in 5E, building competitively what troops are you going to take other than Termagants? What fast attack would you take other than Gargoyles? What Heavy would you take other than Trygons? It's not even that the units used for the main build were amazingly great (altho some are) - its that almost every other option generally ranks somewhere between below average and absolutely useless. I really hate writing off my favorite army's current dex like this, we had some really good units but we were really forced into playing a certain build or playing with bad models, hence the term monobuild. At the same point, with the new dex coming if we have a bunch of unbalanced units, eg the prediction of really powerful crones and flyrants, and a bunch of really underpowered units, eg the rest of the fast attack slots, or the Exocrine just turns out to be more or less a clone of a HG brood, or all our useless troop choices get no buff, we are likely to see a monobuild again.

BeeCee wrote:
It definitely feels that the Spore was removed to spite the Chapterhouses of the world.

Hopefully that deep strike option will still exist for a large number of those units. But one of the big boons of the spore was also the LoS blocking you could use for some of your guys when they landed. We know from looking at the troops choice entry that only the rippers seem to have it now.

But I would say the spore was part of the monobuild at least when it came to DoM and the devilgaunt bomb.

No matter how many options we have in any codex at a competitive level doesn't it almost always end up being pretty close to a monobuild?

And codexes with one and only build are boring. For our group, we seem to think GW is trying to make more units at least usable. Before 6e, no one even looked at Chaos Spawn, now people use them.

Build a bridge and get over it. double flyrant and double tervigon build is now going to give way to actual builds requiring *gasp* imagination and trial-and-error.

People already complaining about the codex before it's even out. Why am I not surprised?

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

BeeCee wrote:
It definitely feels that the Spore was removed to spite the Chapterhouses of the world.

Hopefully that deep strike option will still exist for a large number of those units. But one of the big boons of the spore was also the LoS blocking you could use for some of your guys when they landed. We know from looking at the troops choice entry that only the rippers seem to have it now.

But I would say the spore was part of the monobuild at least when it came to DoM and the devilgaunt bomb.

No matter how many options we have in any codex at a competitive level doesn't it almost always end up being pretty close to a monobuild?

And codexes with one and only build are boring. For our group, we seem to think GW is trying to make more units at least usable. Before 6e, no one even looked at Chaos Spawn, now people use them.

Build a bridge and get over it. double flyrant and double tervigon build is now going to give way to actual builds requiring *gasp* imagination and trial-and-error.

I've found outside of the most competitive enviroments, the 6E codexes have been much more forgiving in allowing you to put down the models you like and have a playable army.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

BeeCee wrote:
It definitely feels that the Spore was removed to spite the Chapterhouses of the world.

Hopefully that deep strike option will still exist for a large number of those units. But one of the big boons of the spore was also the LoS blocking you could use for some of your guys when they landed. We know from looking at the troops choice entry that only the rippers seem to have it now.

But I would say the spore was part of the monobuild at least when it came to DoM and the devilgaunt bomb.

No matter how many options we have in any codex at a competitive level doesn't it almost always end up being pretty close to a monobuild?

And codexes with one and only build are boring. For our group, we seem to think GW is trying to make more units at least usable. Before 6e, no one even looked at Chaos Spawn, now people use them.

Build a bridge and get over it. double flyrant and double tervigon build is now going to give way to actual builds requiring *gasp* imagination and trial-and-error.

How so ? Because with the info we have it is actually looking to me like its going to be double flyrant, double tervigon and triple crone now. Requiring even less imagination. They've made the Flyrant cheaper now, the Terv is still hands down the best troop choice, so they are both still very unlikely to leave their staple positions, and rather than the only variations you saw before being the fight for elite slots between HG, Zoanthropes and Doom, the anti-tank may now be fully covered by Crones launching missiles, facecannon and S8 vektor strikes all across the board. Meaning the most unimaginative monobuild yet. I'd really like to see what you just mentioned happen tho, I just pray GW pulls it off, by maybe giving the other troops the tools they need to compete somewhere in the army rules. Because so far we've seen their statlines and from what we know of their rules they have been given nothing :(

 captainbirdbum wrote:
So the New termagants do not come with any new parts? It's been changed on website to include 21 devourers. It no longer says strangleweb.

Both the old and the new direct order box have about 14 pieces per model (though I can't remember how many rippers you get in the old box). This leads me to believe that they just added two more sprues of 4 termagants into the new box so you could make the 20, and everything else staying the same. We will need to see an unboxing before the we can rule what's included though, but seeing how the old box is keeping the current artwork I would venture that the sprues are staying the same, you just get more of them.

It is looking mostly like purchases will be for the models.

Probably for the best, though it does look like there will be some purchasing.

Will get the 'dex and see.

Noctem wrote:
Hmm, now that pre-orders are up, I don't know what I should get!

I know the codex isn't out so there's no way to know what's the best yet but:

I have no Tyranids yet, so i'm starting from scratch...

Are Hormagaunts really not going to be viable even with them being cheaper? I hate the Termagant model, but if they are really that much better, maybe I'll skip the Swarm Box and just buy a brood or two of Termagants.

For now I'm buying:

Hive Tyrant
Haruspex/Exocrine
Harpy/Crone
Carnifex Brood
two broods of either Horma's or Terma's

Anything to add or not buy?

Sorry if this is too off topic for the thread, I can post this in tactics heh

I bought almost an identical starting army, and if I might say, if money allows, ditch the Horma/Terma broods and buy a Swarm Bundle. The value there is insane, and it essentially helped me decide to finally start 'Nid. If you buy it online discounted, its $130 for MORE than a full brood of both troops you were planning to buy anyway, a Fex which can be the third member of your Carnifex Brood, and some other fun bits. If you end up going for a Tervigon at some point, as many do, you'll probably appreciate the bonus Gants models immediately.

I am pleasantly surprised to see that the eBook Codex is £22 and the iBook EE version £35. Much more reasonable pricing and definitely nudged me into going digital this time.

The pre-orders are only hours old, the ink's barely dry on the new codex, and already, people are disappointed with the new Tyranid army builds.

C'mon dakka, you're better than this.

Can I remind people it's a fun hobby of painting and gaming. If you get beat, you get beat.

Altruizine wrote:
Let's just keep our talons crossed that they learned their lesson and did the reasonable thing, and presented a clear exemption for Tyranid CCW pairings from the normal melee weapon rules.

I found one bit of explanation in the images over at Black Library about the new Codex:

"Designer's Note: Tyranid Melee weapons come as pairs. For game purposes, each pair is treated as a single Melee weapon. This means that Tyranid Models must fight with two pairs of any Tyranid Melee weapons to gain a bonus Attack in close combat for fighting with two weapons. For example, a Hormagaunt armed with a single pair of scything talons does not gain a bonus Attack, but a Ravener with two pairs of scything talons, or a Genestealer with a pair of rending claws and a pair of scything talons, does." - Taken from Black library excerpts of new codex http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Codex-Tyranids.html


I feel this is a bit harsh on the poor Hormagaunt. An Ork boy gets to start off with A2 and get a bonus for two different weapons but our poor Hormies get that old 'already figured into your profile' line.

That page also has Bone Swords as AP3 which is a shame for the Prime if he can't get anything better. Speaking of which I wonder how the LW/BS combo will work if you also have RC or STs? Hopefully they are thinking ahead and providing similar Designer's notes.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

This is rare. GW invalidates very few models. In the limited scope of the Internet RAAAAGE era, however, I guess they have killed off a lot. Talk to a Sqauts or Zoats player.

As a Zoat player, I didn't let GW invalidate my Zoat models. I use them as Hive Guard (as a bonus, I never had to deal with failcast).

Guess that means ScyTals aren't much good.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
The pre-orders are only hours old, the ink's barely dry on the new codex, and already, people are disappointed with the new Tyranid army builds.

C'mon dakka, you're better than this.

Can I remind people it's a fun hobby of painting and gaming. If you get beat, you get beat.

you must be new here...

/sarcasm (I marked it, so leave me.alone)

If GW were to make a "competitive", "viable" game, over half of Dakka would die from exploding heads, shocked because they have nothing better to do than complain. I am looking forward to a new.codex. Yes some stuff went away, but hopefully some stuff I wanted to do in the old book will be feasible again!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Guess that means ScyTals aren't much good.

Unless they also reroll 1's like they do now, and a pair rerolls all misses.

You're posting a hell of a lot today Solo. Making up for lost time are we?

Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly, and I can't find it anywhere, but wasn't the Exocrine listed in the Heavy Support section in the WD battle report?

Both the WD list and the GW website has had errors with this Tyranid release (Hierodules as HS and full set of stranglewebs for termagants, respectively), so it's anyone's guess what that means.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I remind people it's a fun hobby of painting and gaming. If you get beat, you get beat.

And getting beaten can be fun.

Or at least it can in other games. I have not played 40k for a dog's age. But I recently lost a game of X-Wing and that was a ton of fun, a real nail biter as it came down to one-on-one space jousting.

Maybe losing in 40k is no longer fun in this kind of way? If so, no on can really blame it on the new Nids dex.

In any case, I seriously doubt this book only contains lists that can only lose. That's down to the players. Plus the new models look neat.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
The pre-orders are only hours old, the ink's barely dry on the new codex, and already, people are disappointed with the new Tyranid army builds.

C'mon dakka, you're better than this.

Can I remind people it's a fun hobby of painting and gaming. If you get beat, you get beat.

you must be new here...

/sarcasm (I marked it, so leave me.alone)

If GW were to make a "competitive", "viable" game, over half of Dakka would die from exploding heads, shocked because they have nothing better to do than complain. I am looking forward to a new.codex. Yes some stuff went away, but hopefully some stuff I wanted to do in the old book will be feasible again!

Ah ad-hominem and straw man arguments, always the best.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

BeeCee wrote:
It definitely feels that the Spore was removed to spite the Chapterhouses of the world.

Hopefully that deep strike option will still exist for a large number of those units. But one of the big boons of the spore was also the LoS blocking you could use for some of your guys when they landed. We know from looking at the troops choice entry that only the rippers seem to have it now.

But I would say the spore was part of the monobuild at least when it came to DoM and the devilgaunt bomb.

No matter how many options we have in any codex at a competitive level doesn't it almost always end up being pretty close to a monobuild?

And codexes with one and only build are boring. For our group, we seem to think GW is trying to make more units at least usable. Before 6e, no one even looked at Chaos Spawn, now people use them.

Build a bridge and get over it. double flyrant and double tervigon build is now going to give way to actual builds requiring *gasp* imagination and trial-and-error.

Solo, I'm not complaining about anything at this point so your build a bridge comment really wasn't necessary. With the state of the Tyranids now, it can only look up in terms of variety. Nowhere did I mention anything about the double flyrant double tervigon build. A few pages back I was touting the hormagaunt changes...

I was merely saying that I had empathy for those who had the 4 spore pod list, especially if they put a ton of time in to creating it. It is always a bummer if an army's play style changes dramatically and one really enjoys that play style. Sure the spore pod heads of the world could play space marines but I would venture to say it was a combination of the bugs and the spore pods not just the spore pods themselves.

what would actually be amazing is if we could have a discussion without comments like that. Of course people are going to be stressed with a lot of changes, that's part of life in anything. For every "the sky is falling" post, a return salvo of"get tough Sally" doesn't really help the situation imo. But I'm kind of new here...

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
If GW were to make a "competitive", "viable" game, over half of Dakka would die from exploding heads, shocked because they have nothing better to do than complain. I am looking forward to a new.codex. Yes some stuff went away, but hopefully some stuff I wanted to do in the old book will be feasible again!

I do like how you've finally learned to qualify implicitly that, as a matter of fact, they currently do not

 Souleater wrote:

Altruizine wrote:
Let's just keep our talons crossed that they learned their lesson and did the reasonable thing, and presented a clear exemption for Tyranid CCW pairings from the normal melee weapon rules.

I found one bit of explanation in the images over at Black Library about the new Codex:

"Designer's Note: Tyranid Melee weapons come as pairs. For game purposes, each pair is treated as a single Melee weapon. This means that Tyranid Models must fight with two pairs of any Tyranid Melee weapons to gain a bonus Attack in close combat for fighting with two weapons. For example, a Hormagaunt armed with a single pair of scything talons does not gain a bonus Attack, but a Ravener with two pairs of scything talons, or a Genestealer with a pair of rending claws and a pair of scything talons, does." - Taken from Black library excerpts of new codex http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Codex-Tyranids.html


I feel this is a bit harsh on the poor Hormagaunt. An Ork boy gets to start off with A2 and get a bonus for two different weapons but our poor Hormies get that old 'already figured into your profile' line.

That page also has Bone Swords as AP3 which is a shame for the Prime if he can't get anything better. Speaking of which I wonder how the LW/BS combo will work if you also have RC or STs? Hopefully they are thinking ahead and providing similar Designer's notes.

Supposedly, primes and hive tyrants get a special type of bonesword that's AP2. That's a pretty old rumor though, dunno if it's been discredited or not.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:
Good god, those prices are insane.

There are cheaper hobbies...

"As long as I can afford it, who cares what you can afford?" is what I see every time someone uses this to defend GW pricing.