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Warrior Brood and Shrike Brood are nearly identical. Same base point cost for the initial unit. Same access to bio/melee weapons, same access to biomorphs.

Differences:

1.) Shrike are Jump Infantry, Warriors are not (obviously).
2.) You pay 1 point less for Adrenal Glands on the Shrikes
3.) Shrikes have a worse armor save

-Yad

On a total side note, no idea if it was confirmed but the new Hive/Tyrant Guard do come on 50mm bases



Kimbie

Thank you.

 Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:


No it doesn't, someone checked the wording over at Tyranid hive.

Checked it against mine, but I probably mis-read it after reading it on TTH.

My bad. What I get for speed reading.

(and getting my hopes up)

Kimbie wrote:
On a total side note, no idea if it was confirmed but the new Hive/Tyrant Guard do come on 50mm bases



Kimbie

That is an interesting development!

 streamdragon wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

barnowl wrote:
Finally figured out why Warrior Primes got a massive boostin cost. To make Warriors looke better as synaptic anchors. Really they always have been in groups of 3, but the the Prime was the little bit tougher and 10 points cheaper. I get the feeling GW nerfed the Prime to "improve" the Warriors.

Personally I think the Prime's increase was a lot about its IC status and how useful that can be.

It was always an IC. There are literally 0 direct changes to the Prime, other than an over 50% increase in cost.

Oh good lord.

Given the conversations *we've already had here* about synapse, VTs, Fexstars, etc. I'll let you guys figure out what I was suggesting about its utility in the new codex.

*Hint* It's the opposite of 'less'.



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 Kanluwen wrote:

Kimbie wrote:
On a total side note, no idea if it was confirmed but the new Hive/Tyrant Guard do come on 50mm bases

Kimbie

That is an interesting development!

I've already rebased my metal HG on 50s. SOOO much more stable, I love it.

So what is that new gun the Hive Guard are packing? The one with the pointy tip.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So what is that new gun the Hive Guard are packing? The one with the pointy tip.

According to the instruction book its a Shock Cannon

18" Str5 Ap5, Assault 1, Blast, Haywire

Kimbie

Shrikes coming down in price to the same as warriors could make them almost viable, in the same way that warriors are almost viable. That is, if you need extra synapse anyway, and you're going to be grabbing your Venomthrope cover save more often than not, why not have the guys with wings rather than the guys with armour? Admittedly you probably want mostly Gargoyles in Fast Attack, but you probably want mostly gants in Troops too.

Kimbie wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So what is that new gun the Hive Guard are packing? The one with the pointy tip.

According to the instruction book its a Shock Cannon

18" Str5 Ap5, Assault 1, Blast, Haywire

Kimbie

Oh, that's not too bad. Sounds like it can be used for anti-infantry and anti-vehicle, which is always good.
How many can you pack in a squad?

Hey Kimble, is the Swarmlord indeed entirely inferior to his 5e version?

Does he have any rules to justify his 285 point cost, or did I waste a bunch of time converting mine?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Kimbie wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So what is that new gun the Hive Guard are packing? The one with the pointy tip.

According to the instruction book its a Shock Cannon

18" Str5 Ap5, Assault 1, Blast, Haywire

Kimbie

Oh, that's not too bad. Sounds like it can be used for anti-infantry and anti-vehicle, which is always good.
How many can you pack in a squad?

Up to 3 models to a unit. Any model can replace its impaler cannon with a shockcannon.

-Yad

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Kimbie wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So what is that new gun the Hive Guard are packing? The one with the pointy tip.

According to the instruction book its a Shock Cannon

18" Str5 Ap5, Assault 1, Blast, Haywire

Kimbie

Oh, that's not too bad. Sounds like it can be used for anti-infantry and anti-vehicle, which is always good.
How many can you pack in a squad?

Unit of Hive Guard is 1 and you may add two addition for 55ppm

Any model may replace its impaler cannon with a shockcannon 5ppm

Kimbie

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
Shrikes coming down in price to the same as warriors could make them almost viable, in the same way that warriors are almost viable. That is, if you need extra synapse anyway, and you're going to be grabbing your Venomthrope cover save more often than not, why not have the guys with wings rather than the guys with armour? Admittedly you probably want mostly Gargoyles in Fast Attack, but you probably want mostly gants in Troops too.

With the Deathleaper becoming an interesting HQ, I'm looking at ways to get synapse elsewhere in the org chart. And Shrikes are fast synapse. It's worth a shot in the right list. *shrug*

As others have already mentioned, this codex seems very disappointing. I'm not usually one to claim the sky is falling, but I have a hard time seeing a competitive list that can handle Tau and Eldar.

Loss of BRB powers, loss of a number of key units (Ymgarls, Doom), and no compensation for a complete lack of allies are pretty damning changes. Furthermore, while points were dropped on a number of units, these are often accompanied by a nerf. I've seen people writing up some horde spam lists, but who is really scared of them? 180 Termagants are cheaper, but are no longer buffed with Toxins/Adrenal by a Tervigon. Which means that they are actually more expensive for players who want to do just about anything with them besides ensuring the need to take a painkiller and ice one's lower back after the game from moving all those models.

My biggest complaint is that the book seems so bland. As others have more eloquently said, a balanced game is good for everybody--competitive and hobbyist alike. It isn't hard to make things like Warriors, Genestealers, Pyrovores, and Hormagants viable. However, when they remain completely unusable in anything but the most casual environments, everybody loses. I know that many people out there are writing off early complaints as myopic, narrow-minded, and premature. However, there are times in which a spade is a spade. Sure, almost every new release is populated with mindless complaining from the perpetually petulant. At the same time, when a ton of reasonable posters are worried, there may be fire to that smoke. I suppose time will tell...

not seeing any comments about the Dominatrix, listed on the Swarmlord page. Thoughts?

Kimbie wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Kimbie wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So what is that new gun the Hive Guard are packing? The one with the pointy tip.

According to the instruction book its a Shock Cannon

18" Str5 Ap5, Assault 1, Blast, Haywire

Kimbie

Oh, that's not too bad. Sounds like it can be used for anti-infantry and anti-vehicle, which is always good.
How many can you pack in a squad?

Unit of Hive Guard is 1 and you may add two addition for 55ppm

Any model may replace its impaler cannon with a shockcannon 5ppm

Kimbie

So you can throw out 3 S5 Haywire blasts per turn. Not too bad. A bit pricy though.

I've just realized something.

Tyranids are now the only army that has monstrous creatures without some way to get an invulnerable save.

Neat.

 Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
not seeing any comments about the Dominatrix, listed on the Swarmlord page. Thoughts?

Same with Zoan's mentions the Doom

I will imagine we will get them as a dataslate or maybe codex expansion

StarHunter25 wrote:
Hey Kimble, is the Swarmlord indeed entirely inferior to his 5e version?

Does he have any rules to justify his 285 point cost, or did I waste a bunch of time converting mine?

Swarmlord is still a beast in Assault, but losing the powers from the BRB certainly hurts. He still has the Bonesabers (+1 Attack, AP2, Blade Parry[4++], Instant Death). 18'' Synapse; same stats it looks like. You must add 1 to your reserves roll. Mastery lvl 3. Finally, you can either give his unit or a friendly unit within his synapse Furious Charge, Monster Hunter, or Preferred Enemy for the turn.

-Yad

 Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
not seeing any comments about the Dominatrix, listed on the Swarmlord page. Thoughts?

Do you mean the text on the Lictor page that is the same as in the last codex?

StarHunter25 wrote:
I've just realized something.

Tyranids are now the only army that has monstrous creatures without some way to get an invulnerable save.

Neat.

Swarmlord gets an invulnerable...but only in close combat.

-Yad

No EW on swarmlord then? so he's a slow 285 point 3+ save MC that will die to krak missiles in 2 turns again. Yay.... ... .......

*digs old farsight army out of his closet*

Edit: or to a unit of wraithguard who jump out of their serpent turn 1 and get easy slay the warlord/first blood/laugh as the rest of the tyranid army IB's itself off the board

StarHunter25 wrote:
Hey Kimble, is the Swarmlord indeed entirely inferior to his 5e version?

Does he have any rules to justify his 285 point cost, or did I waste a bunch of time converting mine?

Sorry missed your post.

Shot of the swarmlord page for you



Kimbie

StarHunter25 wrote:
No EW on swarmlord then? so he's a slow 285 point 3+ save MC that will die to krak missiles in 2 turns again. Yay.... ... .......

*digs old farsight army out of his closet*

Edit: or to a unit of wraithguard who jump out of their serpent turn 1 and get easy slay the warlord/first blood/laugh as the rest of the tyranid army IB's itself off the board

Nope, no EW. Actually, I haven't seen any instance of EW anywhere in the codex yet. And it looks like there are only 3 ways to get feel no pain.

1.) Warlord Trait 'Adaptive Biology'
2.) Old One Eye can acquire FNP after suffering an unsaved wound
3.) Tyranid Psychic power - Catalyst

It really looks like you better be stocking up on Venomthropes and covering your board with terrain

-Yad


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Psychic Scream:

Nova with a range of 6''. For each unit hit roll 2d6+2 minus the affected unit's LD. That unit suffers wounds equal to the result. No armor or cover save allowed.

-Yad

Does the DeathLeaper have Pheromone Trail?
Also confirming he can only be shot using snapshots? So no templates?

Edit - And has infiltrate?

Looking over the spore mine rules and it looks like you can actually cruise control them into a combat and detonate them if you don't care about collateral damages.

A large S9 blast against a unit you have tarpitted might be nice.

 L0rdF1end wrote:
Does the DeathLeaper have Pheromone Trail?
Also confirming he can only be shot using snapshots? So no templates?

Edit - And has infiltrate?

Yes it can have a Pheromone trail

"Where is it" - Enemy models can only fire snap shots when targeting the deathleaper

And it does have infiltrate

Kimbie

 Gloomfang wrote:
Looking over the spore mine rules and it looks like you can actually cruise control them into a combat and detonate them if you don't care about collateral damages.

A large S9 blast against a unit you have tarpitted might be nice.

S9?
Wha. . .?

 kirsanth wrote:

 Gloomfang wrote:
Looking over the spore mine rules and it looks like you can actually cruise control them into a combat and detonate them if you don't care about collateral damages.

A large S9 blast against a unit you have tarpitted might be nice.

S9?
Wha. . .?

Try S10