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Chaos anything... "Boo! We are roadies from punk rock bands armed with power yard equipment, and we're angry about stuff!"

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

 uk_crow wrote:
Another vote for Necrons, as a faction they define the phrase Mary Sue.

Mary Sue is really the most abused term in 40K, lol. A Mary Sue is a character which is a self-insertion of the author, and an idealized character. I don't think anyone at Games Workshop imagines themselves as an evil Egyptian space robot. I mean, it's fairly ridiculous when people refer to the Ultramarines as Mary Sues because it's also typically wrong, but the Necrons are just poorly written Grimdark^10. They're not Mary Sues.

Haha well they are too perfect then, huge numbers, the best tech (by a considerable margin) and a boring back story.

 uk_crow wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

 uk_crow wrote:
Another vote for Necrons, as a faction they define the phrase Mary Sue.

Mary Sue is really the most abused term in 40K, lol. A Mary Sue is a character which is a self-insertion of the author, and an idealized character. I don't think anyone at Games Workshop imagines themselves as an evil Egyptian space robot. I mean, it's fairly ridiculous when people refer to the Ultramarines as Mary Sues because it's also typically wrong, but the Necrons are just poorly written Grimdark^10. They're not Mary Sues.

Haha well they are too perfect then, huge numbers, the best tech (by a considerable margin) and a boring back story.

Huge numbers? Really? The IoM and Orks outnumber them by a fair margin. Hell, the Eldar probably outnumber them.

Do they? I mean, in theory, if you only count the "awake" Necrons. But the Newcrons have supposedly a million sleeping worlds or some such that are on the verge of waking up.

Being outnumbered by a small margin is fairly irrelevant when you're nearly unkillable.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Do they? I mean, in theory, if you only count the "awake" Necrons. But the Newcrons have supposedly a million sleeping worlds or some such that are on the verge of waking up.

Being outnumbered by a small margin is fairly irrelevant when you're nearly unkillable.

Those million worlds also tend to have imperials and orks on them. Billions of them. The idea behind the necrons is that there aren't that many of them compared to the other races, but they are so hard to kill it balances out in the end.
It's not as if a necron regenerates all damage on the spot anyway. Hurt one enough and it goes away, where it has to spend time getting repaired. That's one less necron on the world.

I think that used to be the idea behind Necrons.

Newcrons don't really seem to have any balances other than, as of the fixed point of 999.M41, most of them are still sleeping.

And the exact fact that Newcrons don't have any true fluff balances is why everyone pokes at them as being the lamest.

Necrons are the lamest faction.

Old 'Crons were just as bad though.

All of the fluff tends points to them being huge in numbers. It doesn't really matter if the worlds have huge amounts of orks and humans on them, normally the necrons just wipe them out. As a faction they are boring with completely unbalanced fluff, hence in my opinion they are the lamest faction.

I am a VotLW of the Great Crusade against the utter heresy that is the Ultramarines chapter.

A fact I explain here.

I realize my opinions will probably open me up to some flaming, but here goes.

Space Marines are admittedly pretty bland most of the time, but if you really dislike them, then I think you're forgetting a lot of what this hobby was built upon AND that they are there to appeal to a broad audience and to be marketable. They are supposed to be more badass than the most badass dude you can think of. That story will get old and bland sure, but to me, it doesn't make them any less awesome. There wouldn't be 40k without SMs. Don't fool yourself. This game would've fallen flat on its face without them. Is that mostly because 12 year old boys love them? Yes and that's okay.

Chaos demons look silly, but are a pretty damn integral part to all of 40k. I also completely disagree with them being in the CSM 'dex. Remember, most traitor CSMs are not necessarily associated with the ruinous powers, they've just been outcast or black listed by the inquisition.


I don't understand the tyranid hate. They have genestealers, who kick ass. And why wouldn't they have a living space ship? They're alien monsters. They're not going to build a metal and electro-fusion, hovering, intergalactic space ship.
I mean, that would just be silly.

Necrons are probably some of the lamest now, but everyone seems to be forgetting Vespids. Vespids are the dumbest thing out there that we see and have GW-allowed access to. Bug men (sort of) with bits and pieces of tau armor, but mostly just on their face and not their stomach or abdomen.

Though in the end, I like them all (not vespids). For some reason part of the fluff for each pulls at some part of me. Maybe I've been at it too long and seen the weird revisions over time, but it is what it is.

I like the theory that the Vespid "communication" helmet is actually a mind-control device. The Tau saw their usefulness to the military (and their natural resources), but after being unable to communicate or reconcile things with them, just decided to dominate their wills "for the Greater Good". You are "communicating" with them, if communicating means "giving irresistible orders to head towards enemy gunfire", or "mine those minerals for our guns".

I'm quite a fan of the expanded Necrons fluff that I've read as it's pretty in depth and interesting but I'm happy to admit that it is a bit over the top. They're the oldest race so it makes sense they have superior technology to the younger ones but I don't really like the idea that they could snuff out stars and systems as easily as you're led to believe, there has to be some balance. Bar that I prefer the newer stuff as it takes them from a faceless and unknowable enemy to something tangible and relatable, if seemingly unconquerable.

 SisterSydney wrote:
So basically Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino crossed with Cthulhu..

Brilliant!

Tau need a more grimdark back-story, the Greater Good stuff doesn't wash with me.

An earlier poster wrote that he doesn't like the idea of Tyranids having bio-projectile weapons and bio-space ships but I completely disagree. For a race who have evolved for Emperor knows how long from a galaxy far, far away it makes logical sense that they would develop these things given a hostile environment and enough time. Reaping entire galaxies won't be without it's dangers and claws wouldn't quite cut it when trying to harvest a planet whose natives can shoot you from afar; any intelligent species would have weapons that work at range so they would adapt to that. Admittedly I have no explanation for their hive ships that can traverse distances between planets let alone galaxies but it makes for a good story.

My least favourite faction would probably be Space Marines because of the aforementioned blandness. They just seem overpowered and too righteous for my liking and the fluff writers and fan-fiction have taken them a bit too far. Also, why have they turned into eloquent Roman Legionnaires with Bolters?

 Arcsquad12 wrote:
I admit, I liked the idea of Space Marines being drugged up space cops who were little more than psycho murderers in advanced power suits. Beakies ho!

To me this is what they should be!

What I meant by chaos daemons being tossed into the CSM codex is because then they'd finally be forced to find some way to synergize them (hopefully). Daemons are an odd thing... they don't really seem like an army fit for 1300 point battles or less (then again this can be argued for several other factions) the seem far more often like the eye is open and they are spewing forth covering the battlefield in multihued colors as they charge forth, are they even charging? It is as though they exist and do not exist at once.... Then again, I'd prefer not to lump a whole entire army into one that already fails at representing its job. Want to produce a warband based around a single legion? Want a legion force to represent shortly after the fall? Want to represent the Word Bearers (they are heavily organized) or the Iron Warriors (they split into the equivelent of chapters)? Want to represent an army of old hard core vets? Honestly you can't. Heck, the black legion sucks at representing the black legion! Cult troops don't have any other form and the internal balance makes khorne a mediocre pick and Tzeentch an absolutely brain dead decision, tzeentch sorcerers are probably the worst psykers in the game and almost all of Tzeentch's spells are witchfire... So does it represent the old legions? Well obviously not because of all that, grav guns, whirlwinds, and other weapons from pre-heresy (speaking of which wouldn't chaos have some pre-heresy tech heck more than loyalists?). So are they the new ones? Nope! No thunder hammers, storm shields, instantly cowardly units, loss of every weapon of the imperium... Most traitor CSM are not necessarily associated with ruinous powers except the fact that all of them must declare a challenge and get random boons.

I agree with Moltar that chaos daemons look silly but are important. I certainly think they deserve a codex more than certain loyalist factions (cough Space Marine+ and ++ and +++ and ++++). Bah, now you reminded me how much I miss the old pink horror models. Not the ones with the goofy hands. No, the ones that were flesh heaps with maws open that had maws within that ran around some ripping hteir own mouths apart as two blue horrors began to writhe out... ah.... and now we are just majin buu....

I like tyranids but I guess it is just because living space ships sounds silly? Probably broke their suspension of disbelief. Admittedly they do have the entire we are the 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 forces coming from space and we have eaten several galaxies. I'll admit, that does make them sound kind of silly and if it weren't for necrons I'd have to admit they were the guys that stole the thunder of everybody (I head canon them to be an equal threat as Chaos and Necrons. I like a triangle of doom )

soooooo can we have a necron recon again to make them back into chaos robots? kiddin. I dunno, I found the old necrons to be kind of crummy. They still had the, we are invinceable and we have GODS that are just as strong as the chaos daemons within the warp except we are in the real world. Chaos can be mighty as hell, they can be so strong they can rip apart a materium but that doesn't really matter as their influence on our realm is far more limited. I just found it silly that C'tan w ere basically what Chaos gods was to the warp. Also, old necrons suffered from we are robonids. I liked the lovecraft hints. And then the new update has made them.... more OTT and I can't imagine how you could do that.

Blah! YYou know I hardly remembered what vespids even looked like xD

I have been playing Necrons since they came out, have every model except the triarch stalker, even have a Necron BFG fleet. I can say with authority that they never contradicted the fluff over the years, but even I don't like the direction the story went. I was hoping just for soulless robots that had turned on their masters. In fact I didn't even want them to be evil, but just emotionless and dangerous like Terminators or Borg. All the stuff with the C'tan bothers me on a deep level.

- J

Squats, stop pretending they should come back [they shouldn't]

Chaos Marines. Bunch of whiny "manly men" who are angry at their dad and thus embrace stupidity and insanity.

Loyalist marines are at least badass in their own way, even if they're overdone to the point of me simply being bored at seeing them on the field. But the traitor ones... strike me as anything but.

Techically, they are angry at their "grand pa", because their "dads" got angry at him for...reasons.

So really, the primarchs are a bunch of whiny manly man-children. The Chaos Marines just decided to take after their them, because that's how they were raised / created.

Factor in slaaneshi worship, and you have quite the Freudian cluster-feth

 Melissia wrote:
Chaos Marines. Bunch of whiny "manly men" who are angry at their dad and thus embrace stupidity and insanity.

What are you going on about? For any CSM who isn't a Daemon Primarch their "dad" is just their normal human father from before their augmentations [not the emperor as you might think]

 sing your life wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Chaos Marines. Bunch of whiny "manly men" who are angry at their dad and thus embrace stupidity and insanity.

What are you going on about? For any CSM who isn't a Daemon Primarch their "dad" is just their normal human father from before their augmentations [not the emperor as you might think]

She was talking in their sense of their augmentations and the source of their gene-seed, not their exact biological origins.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Chaos Marines. Bunch of whiny "manly men" who are angry at their dad and thus embrace stupidity and insanity.

What are you going on about? For any CSM who isn't a Daemon Primarch their "dad" is just their normal human father from before their augmentations [not the emperor as you might think]

She was talking in their sense of their augmentations and the source of their gene-seed, not their exact biological origins.

Getting their geneseed from a primarch does not make a CSM the emperor's son.

Most people who talk to me about CSMs always talk about the legions, and therfor that is what I was referring to.


Mind you,even the renegades strike me as pathetic, just less so than the legions.

 sing your life wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Chaos Marines. Bunch of whiny "manly men" who are angry at their dad and thus embrace stupidity and insanity.

What are you going on about? For any CSM who isn't a Daemon Primarch their "dad" is just their normal human father from before their augmentations [not the emperor as you might think]

She was talking in their sense of their augmentations and the source of their gene-seed, not their exact biological origins.

Getting their geneseed from a primarch does not make a CSM the emperor's son.

Nope. Closure to his grand son, since that primarch got his genetic material from the emperor.


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 Melissia wrote:
Most people who talk to me about CSMs always talk about the legions, and therfor that is what I was referring to.


Mind you,even the renegades strike me as pathetic, just less so than the legions.

Well, that's kind of the point. They are ordinary people who were seduced by the promise of power and betrayed their own race to further their own ends. History is full of that.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Chaos Marines. Bunch of whiny "manly men" who are angry at their dad and thus embrace stupidity and insanity.

What are you going on about? For any CSM who isn't a Daemon Primarch their "dad" is just their normal human father from before their augmentations [not the emperor as you might think]

She was talking in their sense of their augmentations and the source of their gene-seed, not their exact biological origins.

Getting their geneseed from a primarch does not make a CSM the emperor's son.

Nope. Closure to his grand son, since that primarch got his genetic material from the emperor.


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 Melissia wrote:
Most people who talk to me about CSMs always talk about the legions, and therfor that is what I was referring to.


Mind you,even the renegades strike me as pathetic, just less so than the legions.

Well, that's kind of the point. They are ordinary people who were seduced by the promise of power and betrayed their own race to further their own ends. History is full of that.

What's your point? Still doesn't make the emperor the chaos marines father.

 sing your life wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Chaos Marines. Bunch of whiny "manly men" who are angry at their dad and thus embrace stupidity and insanity.

What are you going on about? For any CSM who isn't a Daemon Primarch their "dad" is just their normal human father from before their augmentations [not the emperor as you might think]

She was talking in their sense of their augmentations and the source of their gene-seed, not their exact biological origins.

Getting their geneseed from a primarch does not make a CSM the emperor's son.

Nope. Closure to his grand son, since that primarch got his genetic material from the emperor.


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 Melissia wrote:
Most people who talk to me about CSMs always talk about the legions, and therfor that is what I was referring to.


Mind you,even the renegades strike me as pathetic, just less so than the legions.

Well, that's kind of the point. They are ordinary people who were seduced by the promise of power and betrayed their own race to further their own ends. History is full of that.

What's your point? Still doesn't make the emperor the chaos marines father.

Symbolically it does. A man gives away his life as a human to be reborn as a Space Marine. He was originally human, and still technically is. But as soon as the gene-seeds are implanted and he gets all of those fancy new organs, you can't really call him human. That's one of the little ironies of the IoM; they hate mutants and non-humans, and yet rely on them.

 sing your life wrote:
What's your point? Still doesn't make the emperor the chaos marines father.

Literally no. FIguratively, yes, he is the "father" of all Marines. Or perhaps grandfather would be more appropriate, but regardless, the Space Marines treat him as such, both loyalist and traitor, in their own ways. Not always quite maturely, either.

Well, this has escalated quickly.

shall we keep to thread?

 necrondog99 wrote:
Chaos anything... "Boo! We are roadies from punk rock bands armed with power yard equipment, and we're angry about stuff!"

Read this waiting in checkout line doing last minute Christmas shopping and had to struggle not to laugh out loud. (RTWICLDLMCSAHTSNTLOL?).

Although, please, they are mutated roadies.

Necrons, due to whole 'herp derp super science better than everyone at everything' thing

Eldar are pretty ehhh, and the Tau seriously just do not fit into the setting IMO

 necrondog99 wrote:
Chaos anything... "Boo! We are roadies from punk rock bands armed with power yard equipment, and we're angry about stuff!"

I dunno...that sounds pretty rad. Then again, I do like Brutal Legend.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
They are basically the Wh40k's version of the crotchety old guy with the shotgun.

Not a shotgun but close enough I guess.