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Dont think we have sen the gargoyle yet. IT looks more like a devil or incubus to me, but nevermind, it looks damn cool anyway.
There are also uploaded three orcs with two shields each, just conversions, I hope, though fixable if not. I would like some left handed orcs.
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Thanks for that, did a search and found this making of video:
A bit of clarity would have been appreciated as this came under the Heroquest video intros.
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Yes they do, including the ones not showing Heroquest miniatures.
Admittedly it did show Elgen Miniatures as well, but in the video I thought that was the painting service.
Anyway, hopefully the gargoyle will look like a traditional gargoyle, and not an Incubus, or a Balrog/Bloodthirster.
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First I will adress the miniature sculpts from my perspective, so of course your mileage may vary.
Frankly for evil wizards Gamezones previous work is superior, there are some excellent evil sorcerers and wizards in the Gamezone Chaos army range which far exceed the quality of this sculpt in my opinion. We saw the prototype Wizard of Evil sculpt for this on page 25. I didn't like the sculpt then and don't like it now, I dont like the headgear, the pick, the clothes, anything frankly. Yes its executed well, as always, but I just don't dig the style. I suppose it had to happen sometime, how many ranges have we seen where a person can like every single model bar perhaps one or two. Rare that is. Still I hope the Chaos Sorcerer sculpt makes up. The Wizard of Good I do like alot, but to me he is more like a warrior priest than a wizard, especially as he seems to be armoured, albeit lightly . I will likely use him as such
Now onto the real topic these new minis raise. They appear to be late additions, neither of them are listed on any of the Lanzanos campaign lists. Here take a look:
I wonder if Gamezone have considered it safer to for for Wizard of Good and Wizard of Evil instead of Morcar and Zargon; because I cannot find any other wizards even on level 3 excepting the heroes and the Chaos Sorcerer. It would make sense as I doubt Gamezone has copyright on those names and unlike every other element they are directly lifted rather than changed to create points of dissimilarity.
However it could well be that this is another surprise add on or change.
As shown in the above link, Morcar and Zargon are promised as an add on for pre-order Retail copies (backer level 1's) so we might indeed be seeing brand new content. Gamezone might have backtracked on this promise and now offer a choice of these two wizards instread, but if so consider this. Morcar and Zargon are strongly implied to be both evil, and secondary bosses to the endboss She; one of the wizards showcased here is declarted to be not evil, and most is likely a friendly NPC encounter.
Furthermore, a quote from the fans who visited Gamezone from the previous page:
We saw such Zargon also very detailed with a fireball in his hand and the other pointing the finger.
So there is a fireball throwing Zargon, ok.
It is quite possible it is the cased that Gamezone have made two extra miniatures, the fans who visited the Gamezone factory wrote about a second Chaos Sorcerer for level 3, with a different sculpt and different rules, see middle of previous page. Our level 3 pledges have no record of getting two Chaos Sorcerers. So it is entirely possible these sculpts are in fact free extras. However they could also be separate content to be made available for purchase post release, and Gamezone need not offer these miniatures for free to backers, though I am hoping its part of the box of course. There is reason for this unusual hope it's not the first time we have received confirmation of getting more than was promised in the Lanzanos campaign, there was no mention of a dice tower, and Gamezone themselves highlighted the free room corners markers we will get. ( I am now wondering if they are holders for cardstock walls and the entire game is going 2.5D. ) I would not be surprised if it had, it appears Gamezone is wanting to offer us MOAR, and all they ask in turn is that we suffer a delayed release. I for one am more than happy with the arrangement, even if the project is now nine months overdue.
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I believe that these two are unrelated to the crowd funding. If I recall correctly, preordering the basic game gets you a choice of one of these two exclusive models. So for the retail price of 110 euros you'd get the equivalent of the level 1 backers box set, plus one of the above. whereas for 110 euros, a backer gets the level 1 box, the 15 heroes and all the stretch goals.
It remains to be seen how 'exclusive' these models actually are though. I would fully expect them to be available separately shortly after everything else goes up on the webstore for individual purchase.
According to the link you get Zargon or Morcar with a retail copy.
according to those who visited Gamezone last month Zargon is a separate miniature quite distinct from those shown.
It makes sense that these figures are not part of the level 3, at least I wont need to pay extra for the Wizard of Evil model I dislike. Still crossing fingers they are a late addition like the dice tower, room corners, second chaos sorcerer and stone guardian revolving heads.
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I also agree that they will most likely be available for sale later at GZ's webstore.
About the fireball throwing Zargon, maybe there is some mixup with the Primordial Chaos Sorcerer with rams horns that we saw back in page 24?
The description fits perfectly: "with a fireball in his hand and the other pointing the finger".
Right, so it indeed does look like they dropped Zargon and Morcar then, it would make sense to do so as there is no room for dissimilarity if they are included and not renamed.
The 'Zargon' seen could be one of the Chaos Sorcerers as you say. Checking on page 24 the description does fit your theory.
These two exclusive miniatures are therefore still included for level 3 backers because Morcar and Zargon were in the level 3 listing. For all this to make sense these two miniatures are to fully replace Morcar and Zargon, wherever listed, which means all level 3 pledges will receive them both, plus a choice of one or other for pre-orders.
I am more or less happy with that.
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Orlanth wrote: Right, so it indeed does look like they dropped Zargon and Morcar then, it would make sense to do so as there is no room for dissimilarity if they are included and not renamed.
As far as I can tell Morcar and Zargon will still be included with the level 3 crowdfunding and will be different from these two good and evil wizards and from the Primordial Chaos Sorcerer.
I believe that we have not seen Morcar or Zargon yet, and that the backer visiting the factory may have mistaken the Chaos Sorcerer for Zargon.
As for trying to find a way for this to make sense, I don't think that is fully possible.
Gamezone's logic seems to work very different than the rest of the world
Orlanth wrote: Right, so it indeed does look like they dropped Zargon and Morcar then, it would make sense to do so as there is no room for dissimilarity if they are included and not renamed.
Ok, the e-minis pre-order deal is new right, and includes the previews. The ones listed on Uk and German sites are older and say Zargon or Morcar. Gamezones own pre-order text was uploaded on Feb 2nd.
It stands to reason that Gamezone have indeed changed Morcar and Zargon, they know enough to have placed dissimilarity elsewhere yet have not informed their retailers already listing pre-orders of the change.
Gamezone making a necessary change and not informing retailers sounds plausible yes.
This could float either way.
As for trying to find a way for this to make sense, I don't think that is fully possible.
Gamezone's logic seems to work very different than the rest of the world --
GPires
I cant argue with that. But it wont stop me trying to make sense of what I see.
This video from Jan this year includes the "MINIATURE EXCLUSIVA MAGO DEL MAL".
I dont need to understand Spanish to know what this means. Ok, so you are right, this doesnt look like a switcheroo, unless both Morcar and Zargon are examples of Mago del Mal, which to a large extent is true.
Why would Gamezone make exclusive miniatures for one retailer that are completely different from those they themselves sell or are available from German and UK pre-order retailers?
They are making unnecessary work for themselves and causing customer service problems when people want one of four miniatures options but can only buy from a selection of two from any single source.
As far as I can tell Morcar and Zargon will still be included with the level 3 crowdfunding and will be different from these two good and evil wizards and from the Primordial Chaos Sorcerer.
I believe that we have not seen Morcar or Zargon yet, and that the backer visiting the factory may have mistaken the Chaos Sorcerer for Zargon.
If they have any connection to their silhouettes and are wizened robed guys with frail arms in clawing gestures, traditional cliche evil wizards then I will be happier than with what I have seen. Though the warrior monk/'Wizard of Good' would be a welcome addition to my connection, I am most taken with the sculpt frankly.
Assuming this is as you suggest. At least it means I wont have to try and make use of the rather sucky 'Mago Del Mal' miniature. Now I hope Zargon and Morcar don't suck either.
If they are sculpted and posed like the silhouettes suggest I will be very happy.
And to confirm German site is still offering Zargon and Morcar.
Orlanth wrote: Why would Gamezone make exclusive miniatures for one retailer that are completely different from those they themselves sell or are available from German and UK pre-order retailers?
Yet another rumor, but, if e-minis is getting special treatment from GZ, it's b/c e-mini's has been supporting GZ pre-HQ25, or encouraged GZ to do the HQ25 project, or something to that effect.
Then, yet another rumor, I read that e-mini's is unhappy with GZ's progress.
Rumour? Ok, I can go with that, but in fairness it is an extrapolation of what we can dig up for ourselves.
E-Minis get different freebie miniatures than other sites offering pre-order, including Gamezones.
At first I placed this logically to a change in policy of which miniatures will be provided, but from what gpires has shown and my own research into the timing this doesnt appear to be the case. E-minis has been promoting Good and Evil wizards before other sites made the Morcar/Zargon offer.
I am trying to get my head around that, and frankly I cant see a logical path through.
Now the entire pre-order websites thing could be 'rumour' in your eyes, due to the ultimate source, but I see no reason not to accept in good faith what third party retailers are saying they have been offered to sell.
Any sourcing on e-minis, who runs them and where they stand with Gamezone, especially as they are getting promises of exclusive content?
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Orlanth wrote: Any sourcing on e-minis, who runs them and where they stand with Gamezone, especially as they are getting promises of exclusive content?
I think that it was said somewhere that E-minis is the official distributor in Spain, so that all the other stores in Spain have to buy from E-minis and not directly from Gamezone.
I can see that kind of exclusive contract to include better prices and some exclusive figures for themselves.
E-minis sells the preorder at 10% discount, meaning 99€, while Gamezone's webstore sells at 110€.
We have seen the sarcophagus insert similar to this this but AFAIK not the bier.
This isnt on the listings, we have seen all the golbins excvept sleepy guards, goblin king (on throne) and goblin leader.
This mini might not actually be for HQ25, listed anyway just in case.
We have seen the others.
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Great news, even through they don't mention anything that we didn't already know
It may just be a coincidence, but it seems strange that after 4 months of complete silence we finally get an update shortly after hearing rumours of legal action. It may be a bit of a d**k move (if a threat was actually made), but it seems to have got the desired result.
Also.... The jester zombie looks better when its been painted, despite the fact that the painting of the face is the only thing that makes it look like a zombie. Pretty sure that you could make it look like a normal human more easily than you could make it look like a zombie.
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I did call that there would be a formal responce, but did expect it to occur sooner.
Nothing to be done here.
A few pages back I wondered what to do about the naming, as we hadn't been notified. Dakka's solution of adding it to the order details was identical to that given just now. Thanks Dakka, so it appears I complied with the new instructions back in March.
I really like this zombie paint job. I want to see Gamezone own professional studio painted miniatures. However, whats with the basing.
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Orlanth wrote: I really like this zombie paint job. I want to see Gamezone own professional studio painted miniatures. However, whats with the basing.
I don't think this is painted by Gamezone themselves or that they paid to have it painted.
It looks like one of those discards that were offered to several spanish blogs.
Maybe GZ really liked how this one ended up and used it.
More pictures can be seen here and at the end there is a note saying that he gave permission for Gamezone to use his pictures.
It is also said that he used one of his own bases for this miniature.
Interesting to see the 360* image, is he holding up his intestine? That and the nose are the only parts of the image that make the figure even remotely undead.
in fact with the severed nose and the size this would make a fairly good Tyrion Lannister miniature from when he was on the run disguised as a circus act.
Whatever he is holding, be it intestines or hem of clown suit it doesn't make sense. Zombies dont care if they or their clothes drag their arms either hang limp or grasp forwards, anything else is too much.
Never mind I am scrounging up some GW zeds for my set, if I ever use it as such. I probably wont even bother painting this zed.
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Did anyone else just get an email from gamezone? Looks like it's the same as the recent update, but it's all in Spanish so I can't tell if there's anything new.
It's the same as the notification already posted by gpires a few days ago. Makes sense to do a mailshot alongside the webpage notificatuon in order to reach anyone.
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Not too keen in the wierd weapons, I prefer henchmen to be practically armed.
Still its a nice mini.
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Orlanth wrote: Not too keen in the wierd weapons, I prefer henchmen to be practically armed.
Still its a nice mini.
Yes, very nice details but again with some very weird choice of weapons.
Someone over at GZ likes his exotic weapons very much.
If they follow the same pattern as before, they will show a couple of new minis more during the next few days, probably the other servent, the male elf, maybe even the stone guardians or the male vampire but not much more than that. And I bet that by the end of the week they will run out of new stuff and start with the useless size comparisons.
For those of you still trying to predict when the game will finally arrive, the german preorder still maintains the 17-09-2015 date, but the spanish E-Minis preorder already says "RELEASE ON FALL 2015 ". And seeing the way things usually turn out with GZ, christmas is starting to look like a more realistic expectation.
She looks happy to be in a dungeon casting her first level spell at the first goblin she sees.
She will be less happy when the gem of her dress is ripped or her daddies staff scratched. She will be grounded for the rest of the year.
If only that was as bad as it could get. Maybe being tied up ready for sacrifice to he dark gods, or waiting to be added to the orcs stew is what is in store or her.
Unless the heroes prevent it first.
Nice mini, I had to pay extra for the pair as I pledged outside the free gift window (actually I put my pledge in with half an hour to spare on the last day. Still she and the teenage boy look worth the price paid, and can possibly use them to represent an adult gnome or halfling mage and rogue if ever I wish to.
So we can expect maybe a couple more new images then back to time filler size comparison videos, gpires. I suspect you will be right as usual, however in this instance I actually wouldnt mind a size comparison for the teenage girl and boy against an adult human miniature. That would actually be useful for a change, to see if they could also pass as adult hobbits, it was useful to have a size comparison shot for the tentacles of the abyss also for that matter.
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No new videos yet, not even the comparison videos, and I agree that size comparison with the teenage girl and boy could be usefull.
Either ForjaYDesvan don't have more minis or don't have permission from GZ to show what they have, or even they are starting to get tired of the HQ25 stuff and are moving on to other things (in the last videos they talk about Kings of War, Age of Sigmar, and others).
In other forums there are some news from HeroquestFrance (the french translator of HQ25).
My french is not very good so I'm not really sure what he is talking about, but something about having seen pictures of the giant snake, the gargoyles and drakks , and possible shipping in November/December.
Please note that HeroquestFrance has said a lot of things in the past that usually don't happen that way. I don't think it is entirely his fault, GZ tells him something, the he writes in the forum and then GZ changes the plans making him look like a liar. This has happen more than once, but he could get it right this time around since Sagres, a spanish user with inside sources in GZ, is still betting on October and says that things have to go terribly wrong for the game not to be shipped by christmas.
I'll leave you the original post from HeroquestFrance:
Petit blablabla avec Dionisio sur skype tout à l'heure.
J'ai donc 3 photos des figurines du serpent géant, des gargouilles en version définitive sur leurs pattes ou sur leurs supports respectifs et les figurines des drakks (juste hallucinant).
Je ne poste rien dans le passage secret car je n'ai pasle droit et vu que certains ici ont récupéré les photos pour en faire ce qui s'est passé il n'y aura plus rien en exclusivité.
Ensuite le paquet pour Rémy Tremblay devrait lui parvenir (eh ouais Dionisio n'a pas eu le tps de poster) ainsi que le mien avec TOUTES les figurines du jeu définitif (que je commencerai aussi à peindre pour la présentation). La boîte du jeu va me parvenir avant vous aussi.
Les fans locaux seront ravis d'y jouer.
Pour le jeu, j'ai dit à Dionisio qu'il valait mieux :
1 ne pas actualiser sur l'état du projet. (j'ai mes raisons que je lui ai exposées et qu'il partage au final)
2 attendre fin novembre/décembre pour envoyer les jeux car plus rien ne presse après tout autant mettre le temps et bien faire les choses.
En effet, il y a pas mal d'éléments à côté du jeu qui doivent être pensés et mis en ligne simultanément avec l'envoi des boîtes et soigner la com à ce moment là semble plus judicieux.
