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 TheKbob wrote:
Yep, the /tg/ thread will save dollars if you so choose. Just getting all the rules defined and the Battlescribe should update in a week or two...

GW's really missing an opportunity by not just making a Warroom like app and charging us like $100 for all the rulesets with lifetime updates. Hell, $150, all the dexes.

Why make 150$ when you can make slightly more spreaded out all around the fiscal year?

Inquisitor Jex wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
Harker

Nope, only relentless. his HB is rending as well.

Wow, what a joke. 55 points for a single rending HB. Does GW even play this game?

Hush Peregrine. You sound like a man who doesn't know how to Forge™ A™ Narrative™ properly.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hush Peregrine. You sound like a man who doesn't know how to Forge™ A™ Narrative™ properly.

No offense meant HBMC, but there is a point when that stops being a legitimate criticism and starts being irritating.

Inquisitor Jex wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:
Yep, the /tg/ thread will save dollars if you so choose. Just getting all the rules defined and the Battlescribe should update in a week or two...

GW's really missing an opportunity by not just making a Warroom like app and charging us like $100 for all the rulesets with lifetime updates. Hell, $150, all the dexes.

Why make 150$ when you can make slightly more spreaded out all around the fiscal year?

I 'unno. Other companies do it and they seem to be doing just fine. And it's only $60. For all the units. Forever.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
No offense meant HBMC, but there is a point when that stops being a legitimate criticism and starts being irritating.

Yeah, and that point is when GW stops publishing garbage and defending it as being a "narrative" game. Unfortunately we haven't reached that point yet, and there's no sign that we will in the foreseeable future.


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And dual pistol sergeants and officers are gone. It's like the idiot who wrote this book forgot that 6th edition added that cool new rule where you can shoot two pistols at once. Even if it wasn't the most competitive option it was fun!

 Peregrine wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
No offense meant HBMC, but there is a point when that stops being a legitimate criticism and starts being irritating.

Yeah, and that point is when GW stops publishing garbage and defending it as being a "narrative" game. Unfortunately we haven't reached that point yet, and there's no sign that we will in the foreseeable future.


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And dual pistol sergeants and officers are gone. It's like the idiot who wrote this book forgot that 6th edition added that cool new rule where you can shoot two pistols at once. Even if it wasn't the most competitive option it was fun!

Gone? How so? It doesn't states that there's a limit on how many ranged weapons either can take and it is in the plural so they can take two.

Wow. Straken got nerfed and nerfed hard.

Old Straken: 50+95 points
12" Counterattack/Furious Charge bubble

New Straken: 60+130 points
6" Counterattack/Furious Charge bubble
Forced to issue and accept challenges
Monster Hunter
Smash
Makes his squad Relentless (la dee effin' da)

Goes way up in points, loses a huge amount of area for his buff, gets the worst Guard warlord trait, and force to issue and accept challenges. In return, gets Monster Hunter and can go up to S10 in a Smash (which is pretty cool). I actually play Catachans, so I was hoping he'd more or less just stay roughly the same, not get tons worse. Am I missing something?

Oh well. I'm seriously thinking about modeling up a big, bad Catachan looking dude with a Commissar's hat (maybe with a bloody hole in it) and the Emperor's Benediction to be my company bad ass. Counts as Commissar, really the guy that "replaced" the Commissar.

Inquisitor Jex wrote:
Gone? How so? It doesn't states that there's a limit on how many ranged weapons either can take and it is in the plural so they can take two.

Because the ranged weapons list says that you have to replace your laspistol with the option you take. Nobody has more than one laspistol to replace, so if you take one upgrade pistol you no longer have the ability to take any other items from the list.

Hilariously the one exception is rough rider sergeants, since their army list entry gives them the exact same pistol options but with "may replace pistol and/or CCW" instead of "may take items from the ranged weapons list". So rough riders finally have a purpose!

 Peregrine wrote:

Inquisitor Jex wrote:
Gone? How so? It doesn't states that there's a limit on how many ranged weapons either can take and it is in the plural so they can take two.

Because the ranged weapons list says that you have to replace your laspistol with the option you take. Nobody has more than one laspistol to replace, so if you take one upgrade pistol you no longer have the ability to take any other items from the list.

Hilariously the one exception is rough rider sergeants, since their army list entry gives them the exact same pistol options but with "may replace pistol and/or CCW" instead of "may take items from the ranged weapons list". So rough riders finally have a purpose!

Yeah you can have a gunslingin' Rough rider Sgt! A Cowboy and his posse.

As for the ranged table, it says "A model can exchange his laspistol with.." not "a model must exchange his laspistol with.." so in my book, you can get a bolt pistol for 1 pt and get a second one in replacement of the laspistol. It's not a mandatory move, but it can be done.

Comparded to a guardsmen may replace his lasgun with a weapon from the special weapons table, he's got to drop his lasgun top get a meltagun. a Sgt can get a bolt pistol and then can opt to replace his laspistol with a bolt pistol.

Inquisitor Jex wrote:

As for the ranged table, it says "A model can exchange his laspistol with.." not "a model must exchange his laspistol with.." so in my book, you can get a bolt pistol for 1 pt and get a second one in replacement of the laspistol. It's not a mandatory move, but it can be done.

Other Codexes use the same phrasing. It just means that giving up a laspistol is an additional cost.
Otherwise there would be no reason to ever give up your old weapons as models don't have any limits on how many weapons/armour they can carry.

Kinda minor, but I really like 2 point Sniper Rifles. A PCS can take 4 sniper rifles, and a bolter on the JO for 39 total points. That's pretty cheap, especially considering you'll have to buy a PCS to take any blobs anyway. It lets them do some long-range damage with some neat utility without really costing much more than lasguns. SWS Snipers become not absolutely terrible either. 36 points for 6 guys, 3 lasguns/3 Sniper Rifles. Cheap, long-range scoring unit that's a little more work to kill than a heavy weapon squad while being half the price.

I know none of these will be all that good anyway, but I have so many cool catachan sniper figs that need a good home. 2 points is worth paying for cool.

 adhuin wrote:

Inquisitor Jex wrote:

As for the ranged table, it says "A model can exchange his laspistol with.." not "a model must exchange his laspistol with.." so in my book, you can get a bolt pistol for 1 pt and get a second one in replacement of the laspistol. It's not a mandatory move, but it can be done.

Other Codexes use the same phrasing. It just means that giving up a laspistol is an additional cost.
Otherwise there would be no reason to ever give up your old weapons as models don't have any limits on how many weapons/armour they can carry.

I tohught the BRB limited them to 1 two handed weapons, 1 CCW/pistol or two CCW or two pistols.

Biophysical wrote:
Wow. Straken got nerfed and nerfed hard.

Old Straken: 50+95 points
12" Counterattack/Furious Charge bubble

New Straken: 60+130 points
6" Counterattack/Furious Charge bubble
Forced to issue and accept challenges
Monster Hunter
Smash
Makes his squad Relentless (la dee effin' da)

Goes way up in points, loses a huge amount of area for his buff, gets the worst Guard warlord trait, and force to issue and accept challenges. In return, gets Monster Hunter and can go up to S10 in a Smash (which is pretty cool). I actually play Catachans, so I was hoping he'd more or less just stay roughly the same, not get tons worse. Am I missing something?

Oh well. I'm seriously thinking about modeling up a big, bad Catachan looking dude with a Commissar's hat (maybe with a bloody hole in it) and the Emperor's Benediction to be my company bad ass. Counts as Commissar, really the guy that "replaced" the Commissar.

Yes. Straken has become one of the powerful characters in the game. He is pretty much sure to one shot any MEQ or TEQ character that do not have EW. Since he can get a priest as well he can reroll his invul save as well as a medic for FNP. Both of which are cheap. Most models that hit at INT will not one shot him as well. He is a very dangerous CC character. He is designed to be that close combat unit guard has always lacked. That is why relentless is there so they can take things like MOOs, plasma guns, or what ever you want and still charge and do damage.

That said, I am a Catachan player as well and really we got hosed in this book. Marbo gone. Harker nerfed so bad they reduced his unit entry to two sentences. And Straken while somewhat fluffy is borderline ridiculous and does nothing to give my guardsmen any sort of Catachan feel. Its a pretty sad day for our planet.

Inquisitor Jex wrote:

 adhuin wrote:

Inquisitor Jex wrote:

As for the ranged table, it says "A model can exchange his laspistol with.." not "a model must exchange his laspistol with.." so in my book, you can get a bolt pistol for 1 pt and get a second one in replacement of the laspistol. It's not a mandatory move, but it can be done.

Other Codexes use the same phrasing. It just means that giving up a laspistol is an additional cost.
Otherwise there would be no reason to ever give up your old weapons as models don't have any limits on how many weapons/armour they can carry.

I tohught the BRB limited them to 1 two handed weapons, 1 CCW/pistol or two CCW or two pistols.

Not in 6th edition: page 51: "MORE THAN ONE WEAPON"
Unless otherwise stated , If the model has more than one Shooting
weapon, he must choose which one to shoot - he cannot fire
both in the same Shooting phase .If a model has more than
one Melee weapon, he must choose which one to attack with
when he comes to srike blows - he cannot mix and match the
abilities of several different Melee weapons. However, it's worth
remembering that if a model has two or more Melee weapons
he gains +l Attack in close combat

Pistol rule on page 52 has a separate clause allowing using them in CC and shooting with 2 pistols at the same time.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hush Peregrine. You sound like a man who doesn't know how to Forge™ A™ Narrative™ properly.

No offense meant HBMC, but there is a point when that stops being a legitimate criticism and starts being irritating.

yeah... its just complaints on complaints at this point... we get it he hates GW and the game, some of us actually LIKE this new codex, and will enjoy it.
CHimeras went up 10 pts and vets went down 10 pts and its the end of the world.


who cares, Saturday is going to see this codex add a lot to guard and with so much anti eldar and tau firepower, hopefully balance out the meta even more as we approach full circle with every codex being in the same edition for once.


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Biophysical wrote:
Kinda minor, but I really like 2 point Sniper Rifles. A PCS can take 4 sniper rifles, and a bolter on the JO for 39 total points. That's pretty cheap, especially considering you'll have to buy a PCS to take any blobs anyway. It lets them do some long-range damage with some neat utility without really costing much more than lasguns. SWS Snipers become not absolutely terrible either. 36 points for 6 guys, 3 lasguns/3 Sniper Rifles. Cheap, long-range scoring unit that's a little more work to kill than a heavy weapon squad while being half the price.

I know none of these will be all that good anyway, but I have so many cool catachan sniper figs that need a good home. 2 points is worth paying for cool.

ME TOO!

hugely underated weapon at 5 pts, at 2, mmmmm


Im already building a whole army of precision shots... literally hundreds is easy to get with these points

#nerf, #squeal, #rage quit.
Chimera mondo nerf
Vendetta mondo nerf
Hate.

After reading the book, it's Heavy Tanks and Deathstars.

You can now put three priests in a squad of 10 TH/SS Marines w/ 2 Beatstick lords and cheap psykers.

Now you get TH/SS terminators that reroll to hit, reroll to wound, and reroll failed armor saves.

Or, my favorite:

CCS (Medic, Nork, Straken)
3x Priests
3x ML2 Psykers (Divination fishing for Misfortune)

St. Celestine
5x Priests (Litanies of Faith)

Now you just walk that across the field with some bulgryns upfront and some Punishers getting Divination or two. You have a unit that auto-passes war hymn checks, so it rerolls everything in CQC, has Hit and Run, AND it has 7 guys actively smashing for 20+ S6, AP2, Init 3 attacks.

Slice of fried gold.

 TheKbob wrote:
After reading the book, it's Heavy Tanks and Deathstars.

You can now put three priests in a squad of 10 TH/SS Marines w/ 2 Beatstick lords and cheap psykers.

Now you get TH/SS terminators that reroll to hit, reroll to wound, and reroll failed armor saves.

Or, my favorite:

CCS (Medic, Nork, Straken)
3x Priests
3x ML2 Psykers (Divination fishing for Misfortune)

St. Celestine
5x Priests (Litanies of Faith)

Now you just walk that across the field with some bulgryns upfront and some Punishers getting Divination or two. You have a unit that auto-passes war hymn checks, so it rerolls everything in CQC, has Hit and Run, AND it has 7 guys actively smashing for 20+ S6, AP2, Init 3 attacks.

Slice of fried gold.

This is the future we chose and it is beautiful.

I a enjoying writing my new lists. They all have the theme "TANKS FOR DAYS".

I have the codex in-hand here now too. Anyone need any clarifications?

I'm currently building/rebuilding my lists now.

Will be waiting for replies. Please quote this post if you have a question and I'll try and answer it quickly when I see it.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

 Red__Thirst wrote:
I have the codex in-hand here now too. Anyone need any clarifications?

I'm currently building/rebuilding my lists now.

Will be waiting for replies. Please quote this post if you have a question and I'll try and answer it quickly when I see it.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

I havent read it anywhere, but do the priests still restore hull points, or just grant machine spirit?

Anything stand out as shocking or surprising to you despite knowing what you knew about the codex before you had it?

Then im about set after knwoing that.

 Lone Cat wrote:

 vic wrote:
Penal legion gone? awww crap. I really like those guys.

They aren't popular and purely a redundancy with Infantry section and Conscripts

Their popularity could have been fixed somewhat just by removing the random roll for their special ability.


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 BrookM wrote:
Just in case it hasn't been done yet, a better picture of the upcoming Commissar:

God, that is dire.

It's mind-boggling that they could have held this model up against the current Commissars and through it was a reasonable replacement.

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Red__Thirst wrote:
I have the codex in-hand here now too. Anyone need any clarifications?

I'm currently building/rebuilding my lists now.

Will be waiting for replies. Please quote this post if you have a question and I'll try and answer it quickly when I see it.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

I havent read it anywhere, but do the priests still restore hull points, or just grant machine spirit?

Anything stand out as shocking or surprising to you despite knowing what you knew about the codex before you had it?

Then im about set after knwoing that.

By priest I assume you mean Tech Priest? If so they're now called 'Engineseer'. They're an HQ choice that doesn't take up a slot and can be purchased 0-3 for 40 pts. a piece.
They have Awaken the Machine, Blessings of the Omnissiah, and Independent Character special rules. The second, Blessing of the Omnissiah allows you to repair hull points as normal on a 5+ roll with +1 to the roll for each servitor with a Servo Arm (Up to 4 total) for 10 points a piece.

As far as shocking/surprising, not really, though the Psyker Battle Squad (Now called Wyrdvane Psykers) seem interesting. I'm contemplating ways to use them now, either as a defensive addition, or in an offensive capacity. Debating putting six in a Vendetta and dropping them for backfield shenanigans if I get a good offensive power, or leaving them in my backfield if I get a good defensive power. Not sure on that end yet, but it seems like a fun way to make your opponent have a headache.

Hope that helps ya Swastakowey.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

Tech priest, sorry. Cheers.

I have always wondered what its like to get a new codex for an army haha. By blind luck I have never had a codex update and I have been playing a long time. But it feels like nothings new with all these rumor threads. Next release im gonna try very hard to avoid rumor threads and see what the codex has in store in complete ignorance. Might be more exciting haha.

 Peregrine wrote:
Hilariously the one exception is rough rider sergeants, since their army list entry gives them the exact same pistol options but with "may replace pistol and/or CCW" instead of "may take items from the ranged weapons list". So rough riders finally have a purpose!

Deep down I know that this wasn't an intentional change, and simply a matter of them writing the entries for officers and not re-writing the entries for RR's, meaning we get an old book unit that allows for it and a new book unit that doesn't, and the people putting the Codex together are non the wiser about it.

 easysauce wrote:
we get it he hates GW and the game, some of us actually LIKE this new codex, and will enjoy it.

Son, don't tell me what I like and don't like.

 Swastakowey wrote:
Tech priest, sorry. Cheers.

I have always wondered what its like to get a new codex for an army haha. By blind luck I have never had a codex update and I have been playing a long time. But it feels like nothings new with all these rumor threads. Next release im gonna try very hard to avoid rumor threads and see what the codex has in store in complete ignorance. Might be more exciting haha.

Could be worse. You could have had a massive over-reaction to quoted rumours (rant, rage, threaten to quit/ sell off an army) that then turn out to be incorrect.

alphaecho wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
Tech priest, sorry. Cheers.

I have always wondered what its like to get a new codex for an army haha. By blind luck I have never had a codex update and I have been playing a long time. But it feels like nothings new with all these rumor threads. Next release im gonna try very hard to avoid rumor threads and see what the codex has in store in complete ignorance. Might be more exciting haha.

Could be worse. You could have had a massive over-reaction to quoted rumours (rant, rage, threaten to quit/ sell off an army) that then turn out to be incorrect.

Yea true lol, I actually think its better personally, while I will mourn the loss of Marbo, im pretty fine with it all. But I refuse to become one of those people. At least not till months after a release ... if at all.

 insaniak wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Just in case it hasn't been done yet, a better picture of the upcoming Commissar:

God, that is dire.

It's mind-boggling that they could have held this model up against the current Commissars and through it was a reasonable replacement.

He has actually really grown on me with that new pic. Just wish he had the proper crimson sash.

Only thing I'm still mildly annoyed with is the removal of the Griffon Mortar (as well as the Colossus and Medusa) because I have two I spent a good long while painting and converting up for use using the old school GW Griffon kit bits.

I spent a fair amount of money on them both, each one clocking in at over 70 dollars for the Chimera, and then finding the old school Griffon Mortars bits to use for them. So thats ~$140.00 worth of models that aren't in the codex, though, I can still use them technically, assuming the person I'm playing doesn't mind me using I.A. Vol.1 rules for them, but it's still frustrating none the less.

Overall, I'm pleased with the codex, Nothing massively upsetting, just trying to get a feel for it right now.

That's all I've got at the moment. Take it easy fellas.

-Red__Thirst-

For those who want tactics, I have put a thread up in the tactics section. I was hoping to have everything condensed in one big thread while IG players make sense of the new book.

Thread link: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/589287.page