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Is it true that they are the most defiant loyalist space marine chapter?

I'd say so, though calling them 'rebels' is not quite the right term. Rebellion implies they are actively attempting to break free or otherwise undermine the Imperium, which they most certainly are not.

However, they are arguably the least adherent to traditions and tenets of the Imperium, particularly when it comes to working with the Inquisition and Eclissarchy. There are two situations I can think of where the Wolves either actively undermined their efforts (helping Guardsmen who fought against Angron on Armageddon to escape purging) or outright combat (shooting down Eclissiarchy ships and fighting at the Fang). So definitely have their 'team player' issues.

The Wolves are rebel teenagers. Forever. Some of them are centuries-old rebel teenagers.

Basically that.

They are the Space Marine equivalent of dude-bros. Saying Eff tha Man!, waving their middle fingers around, downing "mad brewskis", banging dumb cheerleader bishes, and using "wolf" instead of "bro" as every third word in their language.

If you define rebelious as not bowing ones neck to deranged Inqusitors, and creepy priests yes, Then we a re forever the rebels of the Imperium

 Psienesis wrote:
Basically that.

They are the Space Marine equivalent of dude-bros. Saying Eff tha Man!, waving their middle fingers around, downing "mad brewskis", banging dumb cheerleader bishes, and using "wolf" instead of "bro" as every third word in their language.

I this this is the best explanation of SW I have ever read, have an exalt (not that it does anything).

They are loyal to the emperor, there space marine brothers just won,t submit to anyone like the inquisition.

And when they come the roll out a 10k old dreadnought who basicly can tell them to feth off in polite terms.

Except they aren't, because the Emperor granted the Inquisition the authority to do whatever they need to do to ensure purity.

Even Bjorn doesn't have that claim.

He walked up well beamed up, basically negotiated with people who never do. He got unbidden respect instantly from grey knights, the strongest force the inquisition can utilize in combat capabilities by the man.

Far as I know of no other case on inquisition backing off from someone after they basically declare war on them. They took out grey knights cruisers and they bowed to Bjorn.

 Psienesis wrote:
Except they aren't, because the Emperor granted the Inquisition the authority to do whatever they need to do to ensure purity.

Even Bjorn doesn't have that claim.

Except the Inqusition makes stupid decisions in which case its best to ignore them.
Besides Bjorn was around to meet the Emperor....makes him a better judge of what he wanted if you ask me.

pm713 wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Except they aren't, because the Emperor granted the Inquisition the authority to do whatever they need to do to ensure purity.

Even Bjorn doesn't have that claim.

Except the Inqusition makes stupid decisions in which case its best to ignore them.
Besides Bjorn was around to meet the Emperor....makes him a better judge of what he wanted if you ask me.

I'm sure the Emperor would be happy with the Wolves' silly defense of potentially corrupted Guardsmen. After all, by letting them go, they put countless billions more at risk. Go wolves?

" Eventually Grimnar and his Wolf Guard teleported to Kysnaros' flagship's bridge, where the Great Wolf unceremoniously beheaded the Inquisitor Lord. Grimnar then proceeded to maul the last survivor of the Grey Knights' Squad Castian who had survived the conflict on Armageddon."
-(http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Grey_Knights)

^^^THIS SUMS IT UP^^^

You should take stroll through the series of videos about the Text to speech device installed on the Golden Throne of the Emperor and the conversations that ensue, especially the bit about his opinion of the Inquisition and its behavior. Pretty on the mark if you ask me.

Warning for language so NSFW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_2nM1GEllg&list=PLyiDf91_bTEgnBN0jAvzNbqzrlMGID5WA

 Zakiriel wrote:
You should take stroll through the series of videos about the Text to speech device installed on the Golden Throne of the Emperor and the conversations that ensue, especially the bit about his opinion of the Inquisition and its behavior. Pretty on the mark if you ask me.

Warning for language so NSFW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_2nM1GEllg&list=PLyiDf91_bTEgnBN0jAvzNbqzrlMGID5WA

Though that is a comedy video. It's meant to amuse rather than inform.

And, as others have already said, it's doubtful that the Emperor would be too impressed with the Wolves freeing potentially corrupted IG. And though the Inquisition may be brutal, Chaos is a very nasty, and very subversive enemy. They need to be ruthless to combat it.

It all goes back 10000 years ago when they were good little puppies that did what they were told.
They eventually realized they had been used and abused. Like a abused dog it changed them.
No one tells us what to do, ever. It changed them into the wolves you know today

the ancient wrote:
It all goes back 10000 years ago when they were good little puppies that did what they were told.
They eventually realized they had been used and abused. Like a abused dog it changed them.
No one tells us what to do, ever. It changed them into the wolves you know today

Except they were willing to do everything the Emperor said, it's less abused dog and more "Okay, we forgot our purpose, we're just going to try something else and be even more hypocritical."

 Psienesis wrote:
Basically that.

They are the Space Marine equivalent of dude-bros. Saying Eff tha Man!, waving their middle fingers around, downing "mad brewskis", banging dumb cheerleader bishes, and using "wolf" instead of "bro" as every third word in their language.

Best. Space Wolf Explanation. Ever.

The wolves are probably the most loyal chapter, not the most rebellious.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

the ancient wrote:
It all goes back 10000 years ago when they were good little puppies that did what they were told.
They eventually realized they had been used and abused. Like a abused dog it changed them.
No one tells us what to do, ever. It changed them into the wolves you know today

Except they were willing to do everything the Emperor said, it's less abused dog and more "Okay, we forgot our purpose, we're just going to try something else and be even more hypocritical."

Or the leader of the pack isn't there anymore and we were second anyway in the pack so everyone else is below us in the pecking order and not worth jack...

The wolves are just independant minded and owe their loyalty directly to the emperor. In this respect they share some similarities with the Black Templars, who also walk their own path while still maintaining loyalty to the Imperium.

In-universe they are well respected and Bjorn is near-worshipped as he was alive during the days of the Emperor, so they are given a lot of leeway in the way in which they operate.

The do not rebel in any extreme sense, as although they have their own ways of doing things they do meet the essential parts of the Codex Astartes, even though they ignore the details. As the millenia have passed it seems that they have become less obsessed with their role as the Emperor's executioner (a role that was probably self-appointed) and more interested in being the Imperium's defenders, probably due to the loss of the Emperor's leadership. Like all factions in 40k, this may or may not be a good idea depending on the circumstances.

The Wolves aren't the ones with the problem, it's the rest of the Imperium that has.

 Drefan wrote:
The wolves are just independant minded and owe their loyalty directly to the emperor. In this respect they share some similarities with the Black Templars, who also walk their own path while still maintaining loyalty to the Imperium.

In-universe they are well respected and Bjorn is near-worshipped as he was alive during the days of the Emperor, so they are given a lot of leeway in the way in which they operate.

The do not rebel in any extreme sense, as although they have their own ways of doing things they do meet the essential parts of the Codex Astartes, even though they ignore the details. As the millenia have passed it seems that they have become less obsessed with their role as the Emperor's executioner (a role that was a stupid Black Library gimmick) and more interested in being the Imperium's defenders, probably due to the loss of the Emperor's leadership. Like all factions in 40k, this may or may not be a good idea depending on the circumstances.

Fixed that for ya .

Meh, it's not too bad as a gimmick, seen far worse.

The space Wolves are basically the closest chapter to the old Primarchs:

a bunch of spoiled, arrogant children who think they know better because their daddy told them they were special.

And before anyone attacks me based on the fact that the Ssters are the same, I like to think we're less childish because we at least try to work with the rest of the Imperium, rather than just saying; "Right, we're here, you guys just sit back and watch us be awesome."

I'd say the Wolves consider themselves the loyalist of chapters. However that loyalty is to the Emperor and the Primarch, not the Imperium. They do not consider the Highlords of Terra or the Inquisition to represent the emperor's authority to them and are pretty sure the Ecclisarchy can go feth themselves.

Now they have co-operated when the situation warrants it (it was Logan who calls the Inquisition to Armageddon in the first place) or if an individual is worthy of their respect (they shielded a Radical Inquisitor from his more orthodox breathern at one point). In the case of the mini-war with the Inquisition about Armageddon, if the Wolves had thought their allies in that battle had been corrupted by Chaos, they would have ripped them apart themselves, but they instead saw the warriors who had stood firm beside them against chaos being targeted for sterilization and enslavement (far worse than just death) and took a stand for those that had earned their respect.

They have a bad attitude to be sure, but they are one of the few factions in the Imperium that tries to do what it thinks its good every time without casting away lives when they have fulfilled their purpose.

i think that is the same for most of the first founding.

DA run off and do their own thing so do templars and wolves Vulkans pyromaniacs do it as well because in effect they are all reletively untouchable when it comes to the inquisition yeah sure they can bicker and argue with them and sometimes (looking at you wolves) kill each other but at the end of the day killing off one of the legions will send one hell of a ripple through the imperium spesh considering a bunch of the primarchs are still around somewhere.

As an important note, twice have the Astartes marched on Terra. Neither time were the Wolves listed as among those that did.

Like most loyalists, they are not as loyal as they seem.

The have a gene defect that they don't really talk about. "There are no wolves on Fenris".

They use the warp for magic but do not know it.

They do not follow the rules cause they're vikings and don't follow no rules.

Are they rebels? No. Humping the Emperor's leg though? Not really.

Jefffar wrote:
I'd say the Wolves consider themselves the loyalist of chapters. However that loyalty is to the Emperor and the Primarch, not the Imperium. They do not consider the Highlords of Terra or the Inquisition to represent the emperor's authority to them and are pretty sure the Ecclisarchy can go feth themselves.

Now they have co-operated when the situation warrants it (it was Logan who calls the Inquisition to Armageddon in the first place) or if an individual is worthy of their respect (they shielded a Radical Inquisitor from his more orthodox breathern at one point). In the case of the mini-war with the Inquisition about Armageddon, if the Wolves had thought their allies in that battle had been corrupted by Chaos, they would have ripped them apart themselves, but they instead saw the warriors who had stood firm beside them against chaos being targeted for sterilization and enslavement (far worse than just death) and took a stand for those that had earned their respect.

They have a bad attitude to be sure, but they are one of the few factions in the Imperium that tries to do what it thinks its good every time without casting away lives when they have fulfilled their purpose.

Agreed.

Jefffar wrote:
As an important note, twice have the Astartes marched on Terra. Neither time were the Wolves listed as among those that did.

Yes, but both of those times, it was for the good of the Imperium. Once to remove an extremely detrimental madman from power, and another time to force the High Lords back into coherent functioning. That's a tad different to obscructing the Inquisition when they have good cause.


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 changerofways wrote:
"There are no wolves on Fenris".

What does this mean? I've seen this said quite a few times, but I've never understood it.