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**iLLiTHiD**

SisterSydney wrote:

iLLiTHiD wrote:
Smacks wrote:
It does kind of sound like the beginning of an odd-couple buddy cop-movie. You should make sure that if the ork is listening to the radio while driving the landspeeder, you immediately switch the station to something that he doesn't like... *hilarity ensues*

This. Can we make this the next 40K fan movie please?

I can totally see the trailer already. Warning: Hollywoodization ahead.

EXTERIOR SHOT - A DYSTOPIAN CITY - NIGHT

The camera pans past GOTHIC SPIRES as a POLICE SIREN wails.

THAT VOICE-OVER GUY:
In a galaxy choking on corruption....

INTERIOR SHOT - ARMORY - NIGHT

CLOSE UP from BEHIND on a SEXY FEMALE putting on HIGH-TECH ARMOR.

THAT VOICE-OVER GUY:
....she's the purest there is.

The female TURNS -- we still don't see her face, she's only in frame from the NECK DOWN.

THAT VOICE-OVER GUY:
But Sister Maria Kickassia....

Her GAUNTLETED HANDS pull out a HUGE GUN and perform a COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY COCKING ACTION to make a COOL NOISE.

THAT VOICE-OVER GUY:
...is about to get a big, green surprise.

INTERIOR – INQUISITOR’S OFFICE – NIGHT

INQUISITOR (played by Mark Hamill):
I’d like you to meet your new partner, Thogsnot.

WHIP PAN to show THOGSNOT, a HUGE GREEN ORK (played by Duane “the Rock” Johnson in green prosthetics), with his FINGER up his NOSE.

Sound effect: RECORD SCRATCH.

SISTER OF BATTLE (played by Amy Adams):
What.

THOGSNOT pulls something out of his NOSE. It is MOVING. He eats it.

SISTER KICKASSIA:
Oh hell no.

The soundtrack switches to “Who Let the Dogs Out,” because clichés.

INTERIOR – GRIMDARK GOTHIC INDOOR BASKETBALL COURT – DAY

Sister Kickassia is poring over huge TOMES with a grimdark gothic PRIEST (Ray Romano).

SISTER KICKASSIA:
There’s got to be some mistake!

PRIEST:
Well, there’s no rule saying an Ork CAN’T be on the team....

They both LOOK UP as Thogsnot SLAM DUNKS a basketball. RECORD SCRATCH.

INTERIOR – PATROL CAR – DAY

LOUD MUSIC is playing on the RADIO. Sister Kickassia reaches over and turns it to a station playing HYMNS.

THOGSNOT:
Hey!

SISTER KICKASSIA:
Look, I don’t like you, you don’t like me....

THOGSNOT:
I likes you.

RECORD SCRATCH.

EXTERIOR – GRIMDARK GOTHIC SEEDY NEIGHBORHOOD – NIGHT

Thogsnot and Sister Kickassia are watching some UNSAVORY TYPES doing business in a GRIMDARK ALLEY.

THOGSNOT:
So we’s gonna krump dem?

SISTER KICKASSIA:
Listen, Ork, we’re not “krumping” anybody.

THOGSNOT:
Awww!

SISTER KICKASSIA:
This is MY op and we’re doing it by the book.

THOGSNOT:
What, we’s gonna killz ’em wit BOOKZ?

SISTER KICKASSIA:
No, we’re burning them to death.

THOGSNOT:
M’kay.

RAPID FIRE MONTAGE OF TYPICAL ACTION MOVIE STUFF

THAT VOICEOVER GUY:
She’s a hard-as-nails xenocidal religious fanatic.

SHOOTING and stuff happens.

THAT VOICEOVER GUY:
He’s a sentient fungus with an attitude.

More SHOOTING. Possibly EXPLOSIONS.

THAT VOICEOVER GUY:
Together – they fight crime.

Definitely some EXPLOSIONS. Thogsnot and Sister Kickassia do a POWER WALK away from a HUGE FIREBALL.

SISTER KICKASSIA:
You know, Ork, you aren’t half-bad at this.

THOGSNOT:
You krumps okay too, Sistah.

SISTER KICKASSIA:
I. Do. Not. KRUMP.

RECORD SCRATCH.

INTERIOR – GRIMDARK GOTHIC NIGHTCLUB – NIGHT

Thogsnot claps as Sister Kickassia is KRUMPING.

CLUBGOERS:
Go Sistah, go Sistah, go!

INTERIOR – GRIMDARK BAD GUY HEADQUARTERS – NIGHT

BAD GUY (Gary Oldman):
I am the bad guy of the movie!

RECORD SCRATCH.

BAD GUY:
Okay, see, now you’re overusing it.

RECORD SCRATCH.

BAD GUY:
I have a BAFTA award, you prick!

RECORD SCRATCH.

GARY OLDMAN storms off the set, pursued by a chorus of RECORD SCRATCHES.

INTERIOR – GRIMDARK WAREHOUSE – NIGHT

Thogsnot and Sister Kickassia are taking cover behind a STACK OF CRATES as BAD GUY MINIONS shoot at them with GUNS BEYOND NUMBER.

THOGSNOT:
What’s we’s gonna do, Sistah?

SISTER KICKASSIA:
We’re gonna krump ’em.

RECORD SCRATCH.

They BURST FROM COVER and there is SO MUCH SHOOTING AND EXPLOSIONS AND STUFF you cannot believe it, seriously.

THAT VOICE-OVER GUY:
This summer.... get ready to KRUMP.

The screen goes BLACK. Then the title comes up: SISTAH KRUMP.

THAT VOICE-OVER GUY:
This film is not yet rated.

OMG I am DYING of laughter - going to get in trouble at work! Exhalt-worthy!
This needs to happen

**Happyjew**

SisterSydney: Despite showing my enthusiasm in the Sisters humour thread, I can unfortunately exalt it once.

Wait nevermind, you posted it twice, I can exalt it there as well

**Anvildude**

This shalt beith the second posting:

Is the Ork a Burna Boy?

**liquidjoshi**

Sister, all I can say is... exalted.

**Troike**

mattyrm wrote:
At the end of the day, I don't see it being a massive issue, military people follow orders.

We took plenty of captives in Iraq and Afghanistan, and as much as I hated the fethers I wouldn't have dreamed of mistreating them,I regularly fed and watered them too, and I was happy to do it because it boils down to being professional and following orders.

Sisters of Battle are both, they would absolutely be happy to work alongside an Ork if they were required to do so.

Sisters aren't really comparable to our modern military forces. Very different mindsets. A Sister's faith is what is most important to her, and if an order or situation can be viewed as going against her faith, then she'll be apprehensive.

And saying that they'd be "happy" to work with an Ork is overstating it just a tad. Xenos filth, and all that.

**Addaran**

SisterSydney! Why aren't you writting books and movies instead of... (i don't know what you do, school i think?)

**SisterSydney**

I'm in grad school part-time but [shameless self-promotion] I do in fact write about shooty stuff for a living and have been doing it for about 16 years. No published fiction yet, although you can read my Novice Ginevra fanfics on this site, starting with Bolter B-Word Privileges.[/shameless self-promotion] No orkses in those stories, sadly, but a Dark Heresy party entirely composed of Sororitas novices would be interesting....

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

So now we know what you look like! Nice.

**SisterSydney**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
So now we know what you look like! Nice.

I feel pretty, oh so pretty, I pretty and witty and gaaaaay..... Hmm that might be interpreted the wrong way.

Ok, I will stop derailing this topic now.

**PaperworkNinja**

And yet there's no chance of convincing the Ork to see the light and returning to his people as the first of the Orkwizishun?

"I iz Orkwizitur Thraggasnik! All you gitz is gonna join me in krumpin' 'eretikz!"

"'Eretikz? Accordin' ta who, ya git?"

"Gork!"

"Mork!"

"Him too! Now shut ya gobz an' prepare the burnaz!"

**Addaran**

SisterSydney wrote:
I'm in grad school part-time but [shameless self-promotion] I do in fact write about shooty stuff for a living and have been doing it for about 16 years. No published fiction yet, although you can read my Novice Ginevra fanfics on this site, starting with Bolter B-Word Privileges.[/shameless self-promotion] No orkses in those stories, sadly, but a Dark Heresy party entirely composed of Sororitas novices would be interesting....

Yeah, i know about your Sororitas stories. That and this trailer makes me want more fiction from you!
I'll check those links. o_o

**MeanGreenStompa**

Sanctioned Xenos is Sanctioned Xenos.

If the local Ordos have granted the Rogue Trader such a sanction for his pet Ork bodyguard, then it's cleared to be brought into imperial space and not instantly fried by the local authorities.

Authorized use of Blood Axe clan mercs has been cannon since there's been ork clans. Whilst certain bodies would be appalled by it and most ork clans equally likely to react with extreme prejudice, two individuals, away from their respective power bases, at the mercy of and orders of, august powers like Traders and Inquisitors, are quite likely to do the bidding of their masters.

Xenos used as hired muscle isn't the issue, it's xenos having influence, xenos subverting and controlling, not being used to soak bullets on behalf of a human master.

The Sister may well be disgusted by the alien and the ork bemused by the humie's dislike, but they wouldn't kill each other on sight if there's been clear orders to the contrary.

**Ashiraya**

Indeed not. SoB may be fanatics, but they are not so bad soldiers as to go against explicit orders just because of uncontrollable emotion.

**Psienesis**

It's noted that the Inquisition does not use the Orders Hospitaler to care for captured heretics, because the prisoners have a habit of dying prior to interrogation.

The Sisterhood is no longer the Chamber Militant of the Ordo Hereticus, and they don't work for Radicals in any event... and intelligent Radicals aren't going to use Sisters anyway, because s/he's almost certainly tipping their hand to their Puritan rivals within the Conclave.

orders of, august powers like Traders and Inquisitors, are quite likely to do the bidding of their masters.

In no way, shape or form does a Rogue Trader have authority over a Sister of Battle, unless said RT is also an Inquisitor or a very high-ranking member of the Ecclesiarchy... in which case they would not have an Ork as part of their crew.

Indeed not. SoB may be fanatics, but they are not so bad soldiers as to go against explicit orders just because of uncontrollable emotion.

As the Imperial Thought for the Day says:

"There is no substitute for zeal" and "Zeal is its own excuse."

**MeanGreenStompa**

Psienesis wrote:
It's noted that the Inquisition does not use the Orders Hospitaler to care for captured heretics, because the prisoners have a habit of dying prior to interrogation.

The Sisterhood is no longer the Chamber Militant of the Ordo Hereticus, and they don't work for Radicals in any event... and intelligent Radicals aren't going to use Sisters anyway, because s/he's almost certainly tipping their hand to their Puritan rivals within the Conclave.

orders of, august powers like Traders and Inquisitors, are quite likely to do the bidding of their masters.

In no way, shape or form does a Rogue Trader have authority over a Sister of Battle, unless said RT is also an Inquisitor or a very high-ranking member of the Ecclesiarchy... in which case they would not have an Ork as part of their crew.

Indeed not. SoB may be fanatics, but they are not so bad soldiers as to go against explicit orders just because of uncontrollable emotion.

As the Imperial Thought for the Day says:

"There is no substitute for zeal" and "Zeal is its own excuse."

Of course Sisters of Battle work for radicals. Radicals don't wear teeshirts saying 'watch out, I'm a bit radical'... They serve inquisitors when inquisitors requisition assistance. Only certain legions of the marines have the kahunas to turn down a direct missive from the =I=.

Similarly, Rogue Traders may be militant explorers, in the same manner as ancient earth's conquistadors and privateers, and have massive armies at their disposal. If they've got ties to or favors owed by the church, they could well have Sisters forces in their retinues, just as they can have Astartes, Guard or Mechanicus including Titans... or indeed alien mercenaries including kroot, dog soldiers or orks, all in the same great army, all bound to and following the Rogue Trader's orders.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Ashiraya wrote:
Indeed not. SoB may be fanatics, but they are not so bad soldiers as to go against explicit orders just because of uncontrollable emotion.

But it is not about following uncontrollable emotion, it is about following one conscience. When ordered to do something that goes against their moral values, some soldiers, even well-trained and professional, will say no. Now, in the case of the Sister, those believes are very very deeply ingrained.

**Psienesis**

Radicals who use Sisters aren't going to have the Sisters doing things that suggest that the order is coming from a Radical. No "go here, collect this five kilogram diamond carved in the shape of an eight-pointed star with skulls stuck all the feth on it, and go put it in this ancient, pre-Human building. Why, no, it's not a Chaos Relic. Ha ha! Of... of course not."

As I mentioned up-thread, while an Inquisitor has the authority to order around whoever s/he wants, authority doesn't mean anything when you're out in the arse-end of nowhere and you have a pack of power-armored zealots packing meltas, flamers and bolters angry at you because you displayed gross impiety.

Radicals who use the Sisters do so very, very carefully... and often as a cover for the illicit/questionable activities of their other cells of Acolytes. Sort of using the Church as a smokescreen or a front.

With the Sisters, while they are the militant army of the Ecclesiarchy, they're also the sword at the throat of the Church, to prevent another Vandire.

So a particularly powerful RT might have favors owed by the Church, but in such cases such RT are not going to be the sorts that countenance having Xenos running around on their ships. It is noted that such types as get them are basically RTs who earned their Warrants through the Church, and are men and women of great faith and piety.

Hell, in the RT book, it even mentions having ratings going around behind the Orks they've contracted, using flamers to clean up any spores that might be taking hold. Even RTs that use Sanctioned Xenos (which I don't believe Orks fall under, incidentally, I think that's reserved for things like Kroot mercs, Jokaero, and similar races that don't have the millennia of animosity with the Imperium to get around) don't give them free run of the ship. They keep them in a cargo hold somewhere until they arrive at their destination and then deploy them... expecting to never see the means of transport again.

**MeanGreenStompa**

Psienesis wrote:
Radicals who use Sisters aren't going to have the Sisters doing things that suggest that the order is coming from a Radical. No "go here, collect this five kilogram diamond carved in the shape of an eight-pointed star with skulls stuck all the feth on it, and go put it in this ancient, pre-Human building. Why, no, it's not a Chaos Relic. Ha ha! Of... of course not."

As I mentioned up-thread, while an Inquisitor has the authority to order around whoever s/he wants, authority doesn't mean anything when you're out in the arse-end of nowhere and you have a pack of power-armored zealots packing meltas, flamers and bolters angry at you because you displayed gross impiety.

Radicals who use the Sisters do so very, very carefully... and often as a cover for the illicit/questionable activities of their other cells of Acolytes. Sort of using the Church as a smokescreen or a front.

Good, so you retract your earlier statement that they don't work for Radicals.

"Hi, I'm an inquisitor, I'd like you ladies to go squash some naughty people, in fact I'm ordering it with the same sanction I can use to squash worlds, invoke the Grey Knights, perma-borrow an Emperor class battleship or divert an imperial crusade. What will my team of nefarious types be doing whilst you're applying flame to the naughty people? Well, that would be an inquisitorial matter..."

Psienesis wrote:

So a particularly powerful RT might have favors owed by the Church, but in such cases such RT are not going to be the sorts that countenance having Xenos running around on their ships. It is noted that such types as get them are basically RTs who earned their Warrants through the Church, and are men and women of great faith and piety.

Rogue Traders operate on the fringes of lawless space, the one thing that is constantly reinforced throughout the books and always has been maintained throughout the history of 40k, is that the law does not apply to them, they can be anything from a 'firefly' style minor trader with a small ship to the leader of an all conquering armada-force containing a total mix of anything and everything found under the imperium's banner and a whole lot else thrown in.
As to what kind of man or woman the Rogue Trader is, you've no way of knowing that, favors owed by the church could stretch back thousands of years to ancestors of the current warrant holder, or given over by a bribed church official, or simply by one who wants a slice of the pie and an opportunity to spread the word to the unexplored worlds the RT is off to fleece. Even a shady dealer would be hard pressed to turn down the opportunity to borrow a bunch of power armored, bolter carrying elite forces that smell and look a whole lot better than the average Space Wolf.

Psienesis wrote:

Hell, in the RT book, it even mentions having ratings going around behind the Orks they've contracted, using flamers to clean up any spores that might be taking hold. Even RTs that use Sanctioned Xenos (which I don't believe Orks fall under, incidentally, I think that's reserved for things like Kroot mercs, Jokaero, and similar races that don't have the millennia of animosity with the Imperium to get around) don't give them free run of the ship. They keep them in a cargo hold somewhere until they arrive at their destination and then deploy them... expecting to never see the means of transport again.

The Sanctioned Xenos is discussed in the same book as the Freebooter and Kroot as a means to include either. Flesh eating bird men are just as filthy as sentient green mushrooms and just as despised by certain factions. The Blood Axe clan has been working for the Imperium since orks were encountered, along with all manner of freebooter mercenaries, so there's plenty of scope for orks being listed as sanctioned.

**Psienesis**

Rogue Traders operate on the fringes of lawless space, the one thing that is constantly reinforced throughout the books and always has been maintained throughout the history of 40k, is that the law does not apply to them, they can be anything from a 'firefly' style minor trader with a small ship to the leader of an all conquering armada-force containing a total mix of anything and everything found under the imperium's banner and a whole lot else thrown in.
As to what kind of man or woman the Rogue Trader is, you've no way of knowing that, favors owed by the church could stretch back thousands of years to ancestors of the current warrant holder, or given over by a bribed church official, or simply by one who wants a slice of the pie and an opportunity to spread the word to the unexplored worlds the RT is off to fleece. Even a shady dealer would be hard pressed to turn down the opportunity to borrow a bunch of power armored, bolter carrying elite forces that smell and look a whole lot better than the average Space Wolf.

Not exactly true, not within the background setting provided to us in the FFG RPG that this thread entails. Laws most certainly apply to RTs. In fact, their Warrants of Trade *explicitly* tell them what they're allowed to do, and anything the Warrant does not say is subject to censure. This is further enforced by the Shira Calpurnia novels from BL, and is also touched on in the Eisenhorn series by Abnett, when he and his RT friend get to talking about this, that and the other thing. Being an RT is not freedom to do anything you want, and it's only the oldest of the dynasties that get the super-cool Warrants that have the most carte blanche permissions... but these are rare folks indeed.

Many are the RTs who thought their Warrants gave them the right to traffic in Xeno or Archaeotech artifacts... only to have the Inquisition and/or the AdMech roll up (with much larger fleets) and tell them "no".

**MeanGreenStompa**

Psienesis wrote:
Rogue Traders operate on the fringes of lawless space, the one thing that is constantly reinforced throughout the books and always has been maintained throughout the history of 40k, is that the law does not apply to them, they can be anything from a 'firefly' style minor trader with a small ship to the leader of an all conquering armada-force containing a total mix of anything and everything found under the imperium's banner and a whole lot else thrown in.
As to what kind of man or woman the Rogue Trader is, you've no way of knowing that, favors owed by the church could stretch back thousands of years to ancestors of the current warrant holder, or given over by a bribed church official, or simply by one who wants a slice of the pie and an opportunity to spread the word to the unexplored worlds the RT is off to fleece. Even a shady dealer would be hard pressed to turn down the opportunity to borrow a bunch of power armored, bolter carrying elite forces that smell and look a whole lot better than the average Space Wolf.

Not exactly true, not within the background setting provided to us in the FFG RPG that this thread entails. Laws most certainly apply to RTs. In fact, their Warrants of Trade *explicitly* tell them what they're allowed to do, and anything the Warrant does not say is subject to censure. This is further enforced by the Shira Calpurnia novels from BL, and is also touched on in the Eisenhorn series by Abnett, when he and his RT friend get to talking about this, that and the other thing. Being an RT is not freedom to do anything you want, and it's only the oldest of the dynasties that get the super-cool Warrants that have the most carte blanche permissions... but these are rare folks indeed.

Many are the RTs who thought their Warrants gave them the right to traffic in Xeno or Archaeotech artifacts... only to have the Inquisition and/or the AdMech roll up (with much larger fleets) and tell them "no".

Again, in lawless space they can get away with whatever they want or dare unless a direct force is there to challenge them on it. In Imperium Space they can use their charter to evade many rules that keep lesser merchants hidebound. That which isn't on the warrant falls into the 'don't get caught' small print...

And thank you for agreeing that there are warrants which are a virtual carte blanche, which is what I was saying

Whilst they might be rarer than more restrictive warrants, so are the army building, armada forming rogue traders who might maintain a detachment of Sisters of Battle and a company of ork freebooters in the same military force.

**SisterSydney**

Addaran wrote:
SisterSydney! Why aren't you writting books and movies instead of... (i don't know what you do, school i think?)

D'oh! I completely forgot that [shameless self-promotion] I did write a fluff book on future space warfare for the Chris Moeller/Luke Crane Burning Empires game & setting , and it's still for sale online It's mostly serious military SF with a much drier and darker sort of humor than you've seen here, driven by the fact that it's written "in character" by a ridiculously ruthless general trying to justify himself after a defeat and "edited" with occasional snarky comments by one of his former enemies.[/shameless self-promotion]

Okay, back to your regularly scheduled bickering about 40K background.

**Furyou Miko**

Too fanatical to follow orders?

Order is the cornerstone of their faith and immunity to corruption.

Do you know what we call Sisters who break orders? Repentia.

Any Sister who allows her emotions to run out of check against her faith in the Sisterhood and the obedience is brings is sanctioned and put into the Repentia until they die or learn restraint and self-control.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Furyou Miko wrote:
Do you know what we call Sisters who break orders? Repentia.

Or Alicia Dominica, in one case

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**Ashiraya**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Furyou Miko wrote:
Do you know what we call Sisters who break orders? Repentia.

Or Alicia Dominica, in one case .

Nice damage control.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Not sure if that is a language issue here, but I do not understand what you mean.
Sorry

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**Ashiraya**

Miko busted your

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Ashiraya wrote:
Indeed not. SoB may be fanatics, but they are not so bad soldiers as to go against explicit orders just because of uncontrollable emotion.

But it is not about following uncontrollable emotion, it is about following one conscience. When ordered to do something that goes against their moral values, some soldiers, even well-trained and professional, will say no. Now, in the case of the Sister, those believes are very very deeply ingrained.

post, and now you try to damage control by mentioning Dominica and hoping that will draw all the anger.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

I stand by my first post. Sisters will follow orders that goes along nicely with their conscience. They will be reluctant to do borderline stuff. They will outright refuse to do anything outwardly heretic. If someone, anyone, ask a Sister to denounce the Emperor as a false god, the Sister will refuse, for instance. I do not think Furyou Miko would disagree with this last statement.
But it is extremely rare that they receive an order that is even slightly borderline, so that does not come into play often.

**Furyou Miko**

I think it depends who was giving the order.

If it was a Canoness giving the order, the vast majority of Sisters would obey, because the Canoness has a more personal connection to the Emperor than they do (because she's a higher ranking Daughter).

If it's some random Inquisitor, then those orders will be much more closely examined.

Alicia Dominica did not disobey orders. She had her orders countermanded by an officer who outranked her commander.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Furyou Miko wrote:
If it was a Canoness giving the order, the vast majority of Sisters would obey, because the Canoness has a more personal connection to the Emperor than they do (because she's a higher ranking Daughter).

Well, we disagree here. The problem is that because likely no Canoness will ever give such an order, we will never know for sure.

Furyou Miko wrote:
Alicia Dominica did not disobey orders. She had her orders countermanded by an officer who outranked her commander.

Well… if the Emperor directly spoke to her, then yes. But very likely, we will never know that either !

**Furyou Miko**

My dear Son... this is why we must have Faith.