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Pretty much all of the EU is out. So we dodged that bullet.

Just going to quote the important part.

Instead, Kinberg—who’s currently writing one of the as-yet-unnamed standalone Star Wars films that may or may not be about Boba Fett—says the new movies will be about “honoring the original movies, and yet wanting to take a step forward, too, and tell a new story.” And that new story will most likely be one that fans haven’t had years to come to terms with and take fierce ownership of, meaning they’ll just have to adopt an open-minded, optimistic approach to allowing others to freely create them. In other words, everything should work out just fine and everyone will be happy.

On an equally positive note, deviating from the Expanded Universe allows Abrams and others plenty of latitude to start fresh with Lobot. What if the new movies are just everyone talking about how cool Lobot is? #BringBackLobot

Damn. Part of me really really wanted the EU to get booted to the curb and rebuilt from the ground up. Oh well. Star Wars is Star Wars. EDIT: Or way to fail at reading XD Guess I can live with them just ignoring the EU. I've been doing that for years.

I think this is the best angle that they could use to approach this problem. The problem with Star Wars (and a lot of fandoms, really) is, ironically, its fanbase. You have a huge fanbase with conflicting information and very high passion, that is a powder keg and WILL go off no matter what you do with it.

The best way to deal with that kind of problem is to simply start fresh and clean.

That said, I hope that they are not about Boba Fett. Most overrated and incompetent character ever, rivaled only by his idiot father.

Boba Fett? Is this a reboot? Boba Fett's dead. Me confused.

 Frazzled wrote:
Boba Fett? Is this a reboot? Boba Fett's dead. Me confused.

Well in the books he lives.......but then as the EU is out who knows.

If they want to avoid the EU, presumably it would take place before Ep VI.

 Frazzled wrote:
Boba Fett? Is this a reboot? Boba Fett's dead. Me confused.

Never bet against the Fettman!

It would actually be a decent time to put the origin of the Fett Solo rivalry on film, have Han be a supporting character for whoever the antagonist is who screws Fett over by dumb luck and starts a decades long feud

Sure must be awesome to be one of the writers that spent years working on SW now that all that work will be thrown out in favour of the JJ Abhrams mystery box.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sure must be awesome to be one of the writers that spend years working on SW now that all that work will be thrown out in favour of the JJ Abhrams mystery box.

At this point, they all deserve it. Bunch of children at a damn kindergarden

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sure must be awesome to be one of the writers that spend years working on SW now that all that work will be thrown out in favour of the JJ Abhrams mystery box.

Is this the same guy who took a dump on Wrath of Khan with his incoherent version?

EDIT: If its not a reboot - thats fine. If he's gong back to old characters thats not good.

No Lucas........ I don't care outside of that

 Frazzled wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sure must be awesome to be one of the writers that spend years working on SW now that all that work will be thrown out in favour of the JJ Abhrams mystery box.

Is this the same guy who took a dump on Wrath of Khan with his incoherent version?

Yes, it is, which is why I'm apprehensive at best. Given what he did to Wrath of Khan in Into Darkness, I half expect there to be a flashback in which Luke announces he is Vader's father thanks to a time travel accident, and Han to watch as Leia is frozen in carbonite. Episodes 1-3 incapacitated Star Wars, Clone Wars kept it on Life Support, and I fully expect Abrams to take an axe to it.

 LordofHats wrote:
If they want to avoid the EU, presumably it would take place before Ep VI.

Or just ignore all that stuff, almost all of which wasn't canon to begin with. I loved the Timothy Zahn books, but they aren't sacrosanct.

I want to see a certain blue skin Admiral hit the film....three movies right there...

I'm tentatively hopeful, but I really like some of the good Expanded Universe stuff too (Like the X-Wing novels and Zahn's Thrawn books). I'm willing to be open-minded though, as long as they put out something better than the prequels that feels like Star Wars.


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 Jihadin wrote:
I want to see a certain blue skin Admiral hit the film....three movies right there...

That would be pretty awesome.


And actually, some of the EU stuff is considered canon. The problem is, is that Lucasfilm has this weird tiered canon system, in which everything that isn't the films falls into a lower tier.

 Hordini wrote:
I'm tentatively hopeful, but I really like some of the good Expanded Universe stuff too (Like the X-Wing novels and Zahn's Thrawn books). I'm willing to be open-minded though, as long as they put out something better than the prequels that feels like Star Wars.


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 Jihadin wrote:
I want to see a certain blue skin Admiral hit the film....three movies right there...

That would be pretty awesome.


And actually, some of the EU stuff is considered canon. The problem is, is that Lucasfilm has this weird tiered canon system, in which everything that isn't the films falls into a lower tier.

If we have that character in the new movies. It would quite awesome. He is probably the best villian to date.

The bad: No Thrawn. The good: No sadomasochistic Yuuzhan Vong space crabs. Actually not having yorik crystals and dovin basals and faux-adult emo drama is SO good in my eyes I'm willing to forgive them for the former.

But I'm intrigued by this standalone movie about Boba Fett. I still don't get all this love for him. Going by the original trilogy, he's just a nameless third-rate snitch who dies an undignified death at the Sarlacc pit along with a dozen equally worthless goons.

It was the EU (and the prequels, to a lesser extent) what turned him into the badass space ninja with a tortured past most fans seem to idolize. If Abrams is going to ignore the massive soap-operatic ball the EU has weaved around this particular characters, he's in for some major fan backlash.

 Hordini wrote:
And actually, some of the EU stuff is considered canon.

Which is why I didn't say the entirety of it was non-canonical. Thrawn is awesome, and I always like Mara Jade as well, but if losing them also means losing the Yuuzhan Vong then out with the trash they go.

 Hordini wrote:
The problem is, is that Lucasfilm has this weird tiered canon system, in which everything that isn't the films falls into a lower tier.

It was always a terrible system. There are parts of the EU that are far better than the prequels, not that that is a hard bridge to cross, but it is also wildly spun out of control so it probably isn't a bad idea to start fresh.


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 Agent_Tremolo wrote:
But I'm intrigued by this standalone movie about Boba Fett. I still don't get all this love for him. Going by the original trilogy, he's just a nameless third-rate snitch who dies an undignified death at the Sarlacc pit along with a dozen equally worthless goons.

I think it was just that he had cool armor, shot at Luke, caught Han (sort of), and was just mysterious enough to pique interest.

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:
he's in for some major fan backlash.

There is probably no way around that no matter what, so best not to worry about it.

On one of my many deployment.....seating there reading the Alpha Prime(?) loaded M4 by me.....guy next to me ask me if I've gotten to the part where Chewie dies....

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:

But I'm intrigued by this standalone movie about Boba Fett. I still don't get all this love for him. Going by the original trilogy, he's just a nameless third-rate snitch who dies an undignified death at the Sarlacc pit along with a dozen equally worthless goons.

I think it's probably self-perpetuating. I think he probably has one of the best popularity-to-actual-lines ratio of any film character, so there's already a myth around him when new people discover Star Wars. Regardless of how it started, it's continued by the way that, when a dad shows his kid Empire Strikes Back and goes 'that guy there, he's cool', the myth goes on.

It could also be the fact that this is a guy who can stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Vader and Jabba the Hutt without seeming out of place, so he's pretty badass. He's the guy that manages to take in Han Solo, or at least instigate it, so he's pretty badass. And he has a jetpack and wrist-blaster, so he's pretty badass.

I think the fan backlash is going to be MUCH bigger with them completely trampling over the EU and throwing it out the window, then it would be if they just took liberties with what was already established. I don't see this ending well, at all. I seem to be one of the few that actually enjoyed the EU as a whole, though starting with that Yuuzhan Vong nonsense it got pretty stale IMO.

 Paradigm wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sure must be awesome to be one of the writers that spend years working on SW now that all that work will be thrown out in favour of the JJ Abhrams mystery box.

Is this the same guy who took a dump on Wrath of Khan with his incoherent version?

Yes, it is, which is why I'm apprehensive at best. Given what he did to Wrath of Khan in Into Darkness, I half expect there to be a flashback in which Luke announces he is Vader's father thanks to a time travel accident, and Han to watch as Leia is frozen in carbonite. Episodes 1-3 incapacitated Star Wars, Clone Wars kept it on Life Support, and I fully expect Abrams to take an axe to it.

The one difference is that Abrams was not, and still isn't, a fan of the Star Trek universe. He is however a huge fanboy for Star Wars. Or at least that's what I've heard.

~Tim?

chaos0xomega wrote:
I think the fan backlash is going to be MUCH bigger with them completely trampling over the EU and throwing it out the window, then it would be if they just took liberties with what was already established. I don't see this ending well, at all. I seem to be one of the few that actually enjoyed the EU as a whole, though starting with that Yuuzhan Vong nonsense it got pretty stale IMO.

I actually disliked everything in the EU.

 Paradigm wrote:

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:

But I'm intrigued by this standalone movie about Boba Fett. I still don't get all this love for him. Going by the original trilogy, he's just a nameless third-rate snitch who dies an undignified death at the Sarlacc pit along with a dozen equally worthless goons.

I think it's probably self-perpetuating. I think he probably has one of the best popularity-to-actual-lines ratio of any film character, so there's already a myth around him when new people discover Star Wars. Regardless of how it started, it's continued by the way that, when a dad shows his kid Empire Strikes Back and goes 'that guy there, he's cool', the myth goes on.

It could also be the fact that this is a guy who can stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Vader and Jabba the Hutt without seeming out of place, so he's pretty badass. He's the guy that manages to take in Han Solo, or at least instigate it, so he's pretty badass. And he has a jetpack and wrist-blaster, so he's pretty badass.

I agree with you on his popularity-to-lines ratio, but I think, in addition to that, the lines that he does have are critical, and paint a pretty good picture, and goes hand-in-hand with what you said about him being able to stand with Vader and Jabba without seeming out of place.

A couple examples: When Vader has assembled the bounty hunters, he specifically singles out Fett when Vader demands there be "No disintegrations." Although Fett agrees to Vader's terms, the interaction illustrates that Fett has already established a ruthless reputation, and that reputation is well-known enough that Vader himself is familiar with it.

The other example is when Vader orders Han be encased in carbonite. Fett doesn't hesitate to question Vader, and reminds Vader that Han is worth a lot to Fett. Outside of Grand Moff Tarkin and the officer Vader chokes in A New hope, you don't even see high-ranking Imperial officers confronting Vader, especially not in the way Fett does.

Both of these brief interactions add a lot of weight to Fett's reputation as a badass with relatively minimal lines and screen time. It's actually a pretty effective way to quickly develop a minor supporting character.

What's with the picture of lando's helping hand guy?

Johnnytorrance wrote:
What's with the picture of lando's helping hand guy?

Read the last sentence. The one before the picture.

 Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sure must be awesome to be one of the writers that spend years working on SW now that all that work will be thrown out in favour of the JJ Abhrams mystery box.

Is this the same guy who took a dump on Wrath of Khan with his incoherent version?

Yes, it is, which is why I'm apprehensive at best. Given what he did to Wrath of Khan in Into Darkness, I half expect there to be a flashback in which Luke announces he is Vader's father thanks to a time travel accident, and Han to watch as Leia is frozen in carbonite. Episodes 1-3 incapacitated Star Wars, Clone Wars kept it on Life Support, and I fully expect Abrams to take an axe to it.

The one difference is that Abrams was not, and still isn't, a fan of the Star Trek universe. He is however a huge fanboy for Star Wars. Or at least that's what I've heard.

~Tim?

I believe I read the same thing. I think the new trilogy is in pretty good hands, unless you're a diehard fan of that Extended Universe stuff. And even there I expect to see some nods to that material. Mara Jade is a good, popular, bankable character, for instance.

One point of order -- ST Into Darkness was a Space Seed reimagining, with nods to Wrath of Khan. It can't truly be WoK at their first meeting.

 Hordini wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:

But I'm intrigued by this standalone movie about Boba Fett. I still don't get all this love for him. Going by the original trilogy, he's just a nameless third-rate snitch who dies an undignified death at the Sarlacc pit along with a dozen equally worthless goons.

I think it's probably self-perpetuating. I think he probably has one of the best popularity-to-actual-lines ratio of any film character, so there's already a myth around him when new people discover Star Wars. Regardless of how it started, it's continued by the way that, when a dad shows his kid Empire Strikes Back and goes 'that guy there, he's cool', the myth goes on.

It could also be the fact that this is a guy who can stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Vader and Jabba the Hutt without seeming out of place, so he's pretty badass. He's the guy that manages to take in Han Solo, or at least instigate it, so he's pretty badass. And he has a jetpack and wrist-blaster, so he's pretty badass.

I agree with you on his popularity-to-lines ratio, but I think, in addition to that, the lines that he does have are critical, and paint a pretty good picture, and goes hand-in-hand with what you said about him being able to stand with Vader and Jabba without seeming out of place.

A couple examples: When Vader has assembled the bounty hunters, he specifically singles out Fett when Vader demands there be "No disintegrations." Although Fett agrees to Vader's terms, the interaction illustrates that Fett has already established a ruthless reputation, and that reputation is well-known enough that Vader himself is familiar with it.

The other example is when Vader orders Han be encased in carbonite. Fett doesn't hesitate to question Vader, and reminds Vader that Han is worth a lot to Fett. Outside of Grand Moff Tarkin and the officer Vader chokes in A New hope, you don't even see high-ranking Imperial officers confronting Vader, especially not in the way Fett does.

Both of these brief interactions add a lot of weight to Fett's reputation as a badass with relatively minimal lines and screen time. It's actually a pretty effective way to quickly develop a minor supporting character.

Fett also has the "I am so not impressed" stance when Vader talks to the bounty hunters.

 Asherian Command wrote:
I actually disliked everything in the EU.

But... but... the Republic Commando game is technically in the EU

P.S. Whenever we're talking about Star Wars rather than politics, I need to keep reminding myself that EU doesn't mean European Union in the context.