Fleet Based Adeptas Sororitas and "freedom degree"

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**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:
Ok gals, you convinced me...

Well, I am not sure exactly who is male and female here, but I know I am not a gal, and IIRC I am not the only one here

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**Ashiraya**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
The Dwarf Wolf wrote:
Ok gals, you convinced me...

Well, I am not sure exactly who is male and female here, but I know I am not a gal, and IIRC I am not the only one here .

G.I.R.Ls are far from uncommon, I have noticed.

**The Dwarf Wolf**

Ok, people them..

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Sorry, I did not meant to be pedantic or annoying. I realize now it sounded a bit obnoxious.

**Psienesis**

In the end, I'd say stick with the black-and-yellow colors and iconography, but otherwise have this Minor Order be pretty standard-line Sisters, as far as beliefs and religious practices go.

Mayhaps, as part of their trials/tests/castigations/mortifactions they have to pray for X hours in a chamber filled with angry bees?

Maybe they have a bit of "ceremonial" war-gear, the Stinger, that is a barbed stiletto?

I'd drop the "struggle for balance" thing entirely... doesn't fit with the IoM or the Emperor's Will, which is to ensure that humanity fulfills its manifest destiny to rule the stars unopposed.

You could, also, have them stationed on a world that is an Agri World, but also has a heavy Ecclesiarchal presence (maybe it was an Agri World that became a Shrine World three thousand years ago because Saint ABC did something amazing, like fed five million Imperial Guard soldiers defending the world from Plague Marines with the blessed honey of the planet's bee-hives, who were then so refreshed and invigorated they went on to win a glorious battle against Chaos?). Thus, the local Ecclesiarchy is kind of in with the bee-worship deal, and the local Minor Order is linked to that Ecclesiarchal group to a degree, at least in colors and iconography.

Shoot, maybe this Minor Order was founded in honor of that Saint, who was a bee-keeper before her ascension/manifestation/revelation and so they take those colors and icons in honor of her?

**Melissia**

Psienesis wrote:
Don't do corrupted Sisters. Just... don't.

That's as bad as Fem-Marines.

Pretty much this.

The bee-thing is gimmicky, but not the worst I've seen. Could be neat if done right.

**GoonBandito**

As long as you fill your game with plenty of bee puns, I would have 0 problems playing with the army. There is plenty of terrible fluff in this game, and the writers seem to play fast and loose with the rest of it so who cares if your army doesn't necessarily fit with the 'official' word. Well painted and fun > official canon, every day of the week.

**SisterSydney**

I don't see any canon problem with a Minor Order that looks for inspiration to the bee: It's a selfless social insect, where almost the entire population is non-sexual females, and they routinely stage suicide attacks. What's for the Ecclesiarch not to like?

**Psienesis**

What isn't for the Ecclesisarchy to like is this Order adopting basic "nature worship" and "exist in harmonious balance" that was listed in the OP. Not really fitting the whole "Humanity First, Last and Forever" mindset of the Sisterhood.

Also, the fleet-based Order idea simply doesn't have support in the fluff, since they're not a Space Marine Chapter, but I don't see that being *that* big of a problem... though it would depend on specifics of their fleet and the like. Kinda need to stick to the Decree Passive to some extent.

**Spetulhu**

Psienesis wrote:
Also, the fleet-based Order idea simply doesn't have support in the fluff, since they're not a Space Marine Chapter, but I don't see that being *that* big of a problem... though it would depend on specifics of their fleet and the like. Kinda need to stick to the Decree Passive to some extent.

Well, the Ecclesiarchy does have some ships. A minor order specialized in duty aboard ships wouldn't be totally off - provide security for VIPs, guard key sections of the ship, repel boarders with extreme prejudice and sometimes board enemy ships as a spearhed for the normal armsmen. If they see the ship as their hive the bee theme works nicely. :-)

**Psienesis**

Right, but I dunno that it really makes them a "fleet-based" order. While the Ecclesiarchy does go "on tour", so to speak, that's usually to travel to other Shrine Worlds or whatever, not just drift around in the Void, preaching to the choir.

**Troike**

Well, perhaps the fleet could have something of interest to the Ecclesiarchy on it? That could warrant the presence of the Sisters. Granted, I'm unsure why said thing of interest might be on the fleet permanently.

**Psienesis**

It could be some pre-Heresy relic that has become a "Shrine Ship" of sorts, that follows a plotted, standard path around a Sector... in a sense, a sort of self-contained Shrine World that follows, say, one arc of Sebastian Thor's journeys, or that of another Saint (perhaps the Queen Bee Saint we keep referencing?), and other Imperial Pilgrim Transports dock with it at pre-determined stops along its route to tour the vessel, worship in its shrines, pay their devotions... and then GTFO before it resumes its journey.

**The Dwarf Wolf**

Hey guys, thanks for the feedbacks, here some of the fluff i have been working on, please, coment and criticise (and keep in mind this is not definitive at all).

Apis

The System of Apis have a great importance to the empire, specially at the Sector Civilitas, on Segmentum (i accept sugestions). The system is formed by one star and 5 planets, who at the mid of 40th milennium are habited like this and serving the empire.

The most important planet of Apis is Melissa, the 2nd planet in the system, whose high temperatures and rich life diversity grants him the tittle of "Agri World". Melissa is exceptionally proficient at the production of honey, followed by soybeam and grasshoper meat. Products who are exported after processing into melibars and proteic food supplement.

Besides Melissa, the system house the "Death World" of Adelia, also a hot planet full of life diversity, but aside from it "cousing", a fearfull world filled with predators and death. Adelia is the 1st planet of the system, with high temperatures and abundant atmospheric carbon and oxygen. Life here is just oversized, and the arthropods won the evolutionary race, the best description for Adelia is "a jungle world filled with giant bugs". Local Astra Militarum keep a boot camp in here.

Apis have a "Hive World" too, relatively small, but important to keep the local industry served with workers, it is called Lenora and is the 4th planet in the system. Its actually a small, cold and rocky planet, made sustainable only by the technology of Adeptus Mechanicus. Indeed, the planet have so strong presence of the Cult of Mars that it could easily become a "Manufactorum World" if needed.

The 3rd spot in the system is filled by Silicia, a Shrine World dedicated to the Emperor. The planet is the headquarter of the Adeptas Sororitas Apis Militant Order, an order minores created in honour of the martyred saint "Veronica Bel".

And lastly, there is the non habitated planet of Selma, the 5th planet of the System, a cold, rocky planet, not yeat claimed by mankind as home or possession.

"The Apis humilitas is a species of social insects originary of holy Terra, at least in an older, pre-evolved form. Booth genetical analysis and historical account indicate that those bees have been transported by humanity across the stars, probably for economical reasons. The Apis humilitas ancestors have growth well among the livid ecosystem of planet Melissa, branching into a dozen of diferent species whose the most common (and important) are the humilitas, also know as 'humble bee'.

The humble bees of Melissa are knew among the empire for their sweet and nutritious honey, and also as an example of organized work, and humble servitude. Its is said that like the Empire, all bees in the hive are equal and work toward the same goal, having only the Emperor to guide their steps. Indeed, Melissa itself is one of the richest agri worlds of its entire sector, a planet who works like a hive, toward the only goal of supplying the empire with the nutritious honey based rations knew as 'melibars'"

From the Registers of the Order - Original Source - Adeptus Mechanicus Production Report - 08.320.M40

Order Fundation

The Apis Militant Order was born at the early 38 milenium, guided by the purity of Inquisitor Veronica Bel. A veteran of a dozen wars, Veronica was also a Cannonnes of the prized Order of the Humble Militant. During her years of servitude toward the Empire, she received the tutelance of Lord Inquisitor Wardin Le-char from the Ordo Xenos, learning about the humble bee of Apis in the process.

Veronica went impressed with the bees of Apis, indetifing itself and her sisters in the humbleness and dedication of the small insect. As the bees, the sororitas where like, small and week alone, but lethal and powerfull together, fullfilling the will of emperor with no regards for themselves or their lifes. During her service to the Emperor, Veronica fought the enemies of mankind with faith and skill, first fallowing his teacher, and later as the prime head of her Order, gathering all the authority of an Canonnes and an Inquisitor.

During her journey she wrote the complex "Rego Humilitas", a long guide to humbleness and servitude who used the "Apis humilitas" species as a metaphor and model. Also, she passed those lessons into her novices, slowly spreding its phylosophy trough the Order of the Humble Militant, with the bless of the heclesiarchy.

At 137 years old, Veronica found its Martyrdoom while banishing the deamon "Zauparatur" during the retaking of planet Fraelthorn, summoned by the foul witches who ruled the planet. The banishment of the creature was the last blow into the chaos cults revolting trough the planet, saving the sector from more damage and giving the victory to the sisters. Veronica was them granted the sainthood.

The remnants of Veronica, as well as its Bolter, Powersword and the original "Rego Humilatas" had been recovered and buried at the system of Apis, home to his beloved insect species. The planet who received this honour was them converted into a Shrine world, and an Order Minoris was founded to protect it, inittialy formed by the most loyal seekers of Veronica. The planet was called "Silicia", and the Order became the "Apis Militant Order".

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:
Order Fundation

The Apis Militant Order was born at the early 38 milenium, guided by the purity of Inquisitor Veronica Bel. A veteran of a dozen wars, Veronica was also a Cannonnes of the prized Order of the Humble Militant. During her years of servitude toward the Empire, she received the tutelance of Lord Inquisitor Wardin Le-char from the Ordo Xenos, learning about the humble bee of Apis in the process.

I am not sure an outsider, even if it is someone who was previously part of the sororitas, would be allowed to found an Order. Maybe ask for the foundation of one, but not actually lead it. I think once you get out of the Sororitas, you cannot go back in. I may be wrong though. But at least you will have to leave behind your former role.

**The Dwarf Wolf**

Ok, maybe i used the wrong words there, maybe it can work this way:

Veronica was a Cannonnes who came under tutelance of Inquisitor Wardin. After some time she left her rank and became an Inquisitor, but her order never really saw it that way. She them started to lead the order and some IG attachment, exactly like it would be expected from a Cannonnes, but under the banner of inquisition.

After her death at Fraelthorn, she was declared a saint, and her fallowers in the order funded the new order to protect her ideals and remnants...

**Troike**

I don't think that a Canoness would just leave her position. She's meant to be both the most devoted Sister in the Order and responsible for the spiritual well-being of her Order. A Canoness would be unlikely to just abandon that responsibility.

Here, maybe it'll be helpful if I explain how new Orders usually come about. Basically, a detatchment from a Major Order settled down somewhere, and gradually develops its own distinct identity, eventually becoming a Minor Order with its own name. That's how it works in the codexes, anyway.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:
Ok, maybe i used the wrong words there, maybe it can work this way:

Veronica was a Cannonnes who came under tutelance of Inquisitor Wardin. After some time she left her rank and became an Inquisitor, but her order never really saw it that way. She them started to lead the order and some IG attachment, exactly like it would be expected from a Cannonnes, but under the banner of inquisition.

I think it would work much better if she was “burrowed” as a helper by some Inquisitor when she was a low-ranked Sister (because I do not see an Inquisitor burrowing a Canoness, really), and then returned to her Order, without ever being an Inquisitor herself. My two cents.

**Psienesis**

While some Sisters do leave the Order to become Inquisitors, this is fairly rare. In most cases, a Sister will be attached to an Inquisitor's retinue for a given mission or duration, and prove herself an invaluable ally. The Inquisitor then basically attaches her to his/her retinue on a permanent basis.

However if the Sister proves capable enough, the Inquisitor may even train her as an Interrogator, which will provide a way for a Sister to become an Inquisitor, should the Inquisition grant it. With Puritan factions within the Inquisition, this is generally not a problem at this stage. This process, though, is not very common. In most cases, the Order a Sister belongs to is like an extended family. Her squad is like an immediate family, with the Sister Superior of said squad often having been a matronly figure since the Sister's childhood.

**Troike**

What's the source on that? Dark Heresy, I presume?

I any case, I still think it's implausible for a Canoness of all Sisters to leave her Order.

**The Dwarf Wolf**

Good points all... i see what you are saying, and i have to admit the whole ideia of "She was an Inquisitor" is... unecessary.

It would make a lot more sense if she was "just" a Canonnes, who liked the "Apis Humble Bee" for her own reasons, and wrote the "Rego Humilitas" based in her own view of the relation beetween the said bee and the "servitude to the emperor".
Later in her life she found the martyrdoom fighting a deamon and achieved the sainthood trough it. After this, her most loyal sisters vowed to protect her remnants, settling in the "home system" of her beloved bee, following her word (and the "Rego Humilitas"). After some time, they became a new Order Minoris...

The focus of the History is how a humble girl learned about service and faith trough the example of a humble bee. Using this metaphor to inspire and enpower those around her, until she found her own mortality in service of her faith...

As always, thank you all guys, and please, keep feeding my imagination

**Psienesis**

You may want to even skip her being a Canoness. She could be some simple, Agri World peasant girl who, for some action or another involving bees and honey, became a Saint.

This would (over time) lead to a delegation of a Order Major of the Sororitas defending her major shrines, which, again in time, may cause them to become their own little Order Minor.