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2016/09/16 05:56:21
Subject: Shieldwolf Miniatures - HIPS Forest Goblins Army, 2-week Kickstarter is Live! New Brutgoth Renders!!
I feel silly asking, but this is a fantasy themed KS...
Does "meddaglions" mean something, like a big lion thing, or is it a typo for "medallions" or "add-ons" or something? I have had "FigOne" get auto-corrected into "Fog poo be" before, so I have no idea.
Why have the shipping separate for just that one pledge, out of curiosity? I don't mind paying for shipping later in campaigns in general, but I don't like being the only pledge level to do so... just wondering if there is a reason I'm somehow missing why it makes sense to have that one pledge level not incorporate shipping (despite adding it for this purpose, I thought) while the others do?
I think what will really make things do well is more goblin renders, when your artist is available, even though I'm all about the Brutgoth
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2016/09/16 13:28:20
Subject: Re:Shieldwolf Miniatures - HIPS Forest Goblins Army, 2-week Kickstarter is Live! New Brutgoth Renders!!
@RiTides
Actually the separate payment is for the $1 add-on pledge level as well.
Also, we did post some new renders in the comment section, will be updating some of the pictures too.
The teaser we posted is the first optional add-on and going to be on the next update (#3) late tonight, after which we are prepared for a slooow weekend before things pick up on Monday! :-)
http://i.imgur.com/DPUqZW4.jpg
Late on sunday we are expecting to post the last September Shieldmaiden update, seems what I posted in the last page got burried and went unnoticed... :-(
That's no problem, I just thought you were adding it with the intention to find out shipping costs and incorporate them into that pledge level, like the other package levels . Maybe I'm missing something!
Thanks for the render links, too!
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2016/09/16 17:32:31
Subject: Shieldwolf Miniatures - HIPS Forest Goblins Army, 2-week Kickstarter is Live! New Brutgoth Renders!!
RiTides wrote: That's no problem, I just thought you were adding it with the intention to find out shipping costs and incorporate them into that pledge level, like the other package levels . Maybe I'm missing something!
Thanks for the render links, too!
We are doing the calculations to see what the shipping costs will be and charge them directly to you guys during the project. Should make it easier for dealing with fulfilment (last phase).
Yes, you are. That would be the human factor (wages, errors etc) involved in shipping, something very few take under consideration, but it remains a cost regardless and I have always kept logistics in place. Makes my life easier ;-)
I'll give you a crazy example to explain myself better, and I'm only writing this in thick lines, there's so much more in the backround I won't go into the length to explain:
Case Alpha: Project ends at 40,000, with 200 people having pledged 200$ for the Campaign armies.
Case Beta: Project ends at 40,000 with 500 people having pledged 80$ for the Brutgoth-only w/howdah add-on.
The time to pack 5-6 sprues in a box, do zero cleaning nor QC (=quality control), and include the zippo bag (or whatever is called) with bases, voila, done! 30 seconds (30").
Now compare it to packing a Brutgoth; each part has to pass QC, a single piece being faulty ruins the experience for the customer. Then the person packing the pieces goes into a cleaning process, we always try our best for the presentation of the final product. Let's say 10 minutes (10').
That's 20(!) times more...
Then there's the mispack factor; for our plastics till present day we had zero cases of mispacking. For products in resin (let alone those involving multiple parts) that's not zero, I don't have an exact number for if I did I'd include it, but rest assured like all companies out there, mistakes have happened to Shieldwolf as well.
There springs out customer service costs; more time consumed to deal with the supporter, more costs in casting material to produce again, more checks, more packing material costs and additional postage which must be paid in order to send it a 2nd time to the same address.
The 300 additional Brutgoths of case Beta compared to case Alpha are almost a guarantee that some human mistakes will be made.
All this is in very thick lines again, but gives the main idea of why we are still calculating postage costs and not firing away "sure, 5$ should do it!"
Good logistics ensure these costs will be covered.
Bad logistics means it goes in red. Not going to happen, at least not as long as I run the company. :-)
I didn't realize you were taking the resin QC into account with shipping, that is certainly a big factor! None of us want you going in the red, so just let us know when you've got it finalized. Cheers
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2016/09/16 21:49:50
Subject: Re:Shieldwolf Miniatures - HIPS Forest Goblins Army, 2-week Kickstarter is Live! New Brutgoth Renders!!
I'm not really in the market for plastic goblins unfortunately, but I could use some of the orcish heroes.
Would it be possible to pledge for one of the offered heroes that are already finished and have that one delivered together with my previous pledge from the Shieldmaidens KS when that one is good to go?
I understand if it would be problematic for you to 'mix' together different KS's though.
@Zywus
I appreciate the honesty and will to support even if by little, but it would indeed be problematic, yes.
We will avoid mixing any KS projects between them, as while tempting, it's going to augment issues.
We don't want that, customer service is important to us.
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Did we ever get a final render on the shield maidens sprue? Or does it not work like that and the sprue layout is done by renedra?
The reason i ask is I'm still a bit hazy on what that kit is ultimately going to contain. How many types of bodies and which, how many head and hair options, what weapon choices etc. I think there are command options? Maybe?
The fact I still don't really feel I know what I'm going to get is making me hesitant on backed not this one.
Regarding the latest updates on the frost bear riders: are their axes really as big as they look in the pictures? The ax heads seem to be bigger than the maidens' torsos by a fair margin. Crazy big and cartoony are adjectives that come to mind, but I don't think they quite cover it. It sort of looks like they are wielding lamp posts with street signs nailed on... super awkward. Are there still changes happening on that front?
plessiez wrote: Did we ever get a final render on the shield maidens sprue? Or does it not work like that and the sprue layout is done by renedra?
Indeed it doesn't work like that, otherwise we would heva been already super happy to share that with you!
The sprue lay-out is done by both parties involved (although the bulk is done by Renedra as they are the experts) but we do get asked/informed at various stages on what can/must/must't/should/could etc change.
plessiez wrote: The reason i ask is I'm still a bit hazy on what that kit is ultimately going to contain. How many types of bodies and which, how many head and hair options, what weapon choices etc. I think there are command options? Maybe?
Types of bodies: 6 unique bodies [confirmed]
Heads: 17 unique heads (hair is not separately tooled) [confirmed]
Weapon choices: weapon+shield plus crossbows
Command: Affirmative, command is included.
plessiez wrote: The fact I still don't really feel I know what I'm going to get is making me hesitant on backed not this one.
Hopefully this has cleared away your concern :-)
Wehrkind wrote: Regarding the latest updates on the frost bear riders: are their axes really as big as they look in the pictures? The ax heads seem to be bigger than the maidens' torsos by a fair margin. Crazy big and cartoony are adjectives that come to mind, but I don't think they quite cover it. It sort of looks like they are wielding lamp posts with street signs nailed on... super awkward. Are there still changes happening on that front?
Yes, they are large, the scale is 28mm heroic therefore inevitably big, they have to fit with the rest of the range. :-)
Huh. Those just seem a bit... extreme to me, even for a heroic style. I suppose they will be easy enough to swap out if they are in resin or HIPS, but wow. Big and not detailed past the hand, at all. Bit of a strange move.
I agree. The axes look ridiculous (and even bigger than the already heroic axes shown on the sketches). Should be easy enough to swap them out for some of Hasslefree's dwarf axes (which should fit fine, style wise) but it's a shame to have to.
Ah well. I guess I will have three axes that will be OK to give to any giants or ogres I might want a weapon swap for...
Lots of stuff happening now.
Advertisment on BeastsofWar (I see a arm holding a bow there up on the right)
And the Aracnomaidens/Aracnowraths inserted to the campaign. Should broaden the target audience a bit. They're a perfect fit for Fiends in a KoW Nightstalker army.
The funding looked a bit shaky as first I thought but with almost $16k now I feel confident that it'll at least fund at the starting level.
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That was a huge draw at the end of the Shieldmaidens campaign, hopefully people see it here
On that note, instructions on how to pledge for it for Shieldmaiden-only backers would be really useful, too, since they might only want these and not the goblins.
That was a huge draw at the end of the Shieldmaidens campaign, hopefully people see it here
On that note, instructions on how to pledge for it for Shieldmaiden-only backers would be really useful, too, since they might only want these and not the goblins.
They look pretty horrifying (in a good way) indeed
Just receive our first order today from Shieldwolf Miniatures (Death Deceivers, Heavy Skeleton Infantry, and a Goblin Shaman with Amulet). The figures look brilliant.
Must agree that the axes on the Shield Maiden Bear riders do look large - but then again this is fantasy, and when painted up I think they will look awesome anyway.
Like both versions of the Arachnomaidens and Arachnowraths - something tells me my pledge is going to include a couple of sets of both just so we can paint them up in different styles or colour variations.
We missed the Shield Maidens kickstarter (kicking ourselves for it) - but if it can be arranged with Shieldwolf Miniatures permission we are more than willing to take on someones Kickstarter pledge if they want to sell it. If interested then please send me a message and we can work it out from there.
Hey SW - how do the Brutgoth thngs compare in size to the Bears /Mammoths - any chance of a comparison shot? Thanks
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Hey SW - how do the Brutgoth thngs compare in size to the Bears /Mammoths - any chance of a comparison shot? Thanks
That's a negative for the Brutgoth - Mammooth as one's a render while the other's a traditional sculpt. We haven't printed it yet to take that shot.
Bears-Mammoth would be possible to cmpare as they are both in physical form but the teddies are in the moulds (we must cast a couple of hundred) so that too isn't doable atm.
If you like we can schedule a comparison shot to include in a future update.
@overtyrant @Ian Sturrock @Wehrkind
I accept the concerns re the weaponry but it will be casted separately so I guess you are free to use some of the leftovers from one of your plastic kits (or the free sprue you are all entitled to) in order to change that if you don't like these.
Hey SW - how do the Brutgoth thngs compare in size to the Bears /Mammoths - any chance of a comparison shot? Thanks
That ax looks a little better, although her hand still looks like she is holding an ax handle roughly the size of a 64 oz. Big Gulp. (It seems strange that picture is the first one I found of someone holding one... what is going on outside in the world?)
Spoiler:
As Overtyrant pointed out, the head is at an angle so you can't quite tell how large it is, and also is highlighted to white, so parts of it disappear into the background. It would still be oddly big even at that size, but is bigger than that looks. I attached a quick MSPaint edit where I changed the background color and drew around the edge of the ax. I cut into the ax a bit as I couldn't easily tell where the background ended and the ax begun, but it still looks too big. Honestly, there really isn't a good reason for it to be that big, either. I mean, ok, the haft needs to be big to get the resin thick enough not to break all over the place, but the giant head doesn't help that. It also doesn't help that the head has zero detail on it, no patterns or carvings.
That said, I will swap the ax with some other thing, probably the entire hand and weapon combo. They will quite possibly be replaced by another of the weapons you produce, as those don't seem to fall down as badly as these did. These axes are just strangely sub-par for your otherwise great models.
(The foot champ there has an ax that is a bit too big too, although not as much if it is a two handed ax. It looks like it might be, so it isn't as egregious as the bear rider's.)
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@Mutter
They are going to be supplied on 50mmx50mm bases, but we are thinking of adding an optional "stinger" for those who would like to place them on 50mm x100mm bases. Will have some space available, but not look out of place.
If too many people prefer them on 50mmx100mm bases, then we will simply change that (the additional costs of the larger versions will be covered by not having to tool+cast the stinger as a separate piece).
But can you come up with a size comparison (sketches would be fine)?
Base size is one thing, but doesn't really tell us that much about actual size.
Just trying to gauge for what I can use them ...