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I've been waiting for the not-SoB from this line and honestly I'm not too pleased with what I'm seeing. Pauldrons are massive, standing poses are dull, and the way they're holding their guns... what's up with that? Normal aiming poses for not-bolters please.

I also think they're a bit lackluster, but given the goal listed maybe they could just be a later follow-up campaign?

Overall, I think there should be an absolutely kick arse, well posed render of a finished model to really sell the kit. As it is, that render probably won't do so - it looks like it's still WIP. Which isn't a problem, again, necessarily... just means it's not quite ready.

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So the goal is 60k, I am not overly impressed with that pic I have to say. This one is much better looking;


Is it possible for Shieldwolf to do sets of arms that carry the weapon between them (aiming stance, at ease whatever) for rifles and similar weapons?

Goofy giant hand guard and arm poses need to be fixed, but I like the rest. And they have more than one haircut now!

drbored wrote:
I've been waiting for the not-SoB from this line and honestly I'm not too pleased with what I'm seeing. Pauldrons are massive, standing poses are dull, and the way they're holding their guns... what's up with that? Normal aiming poses for not-bolters please.

I'm hoping that the John Woo-dual-pistol pose for long guns won't be a thing. But yeah, properly posed renders (with real hands!) would add so much to the attractiveness of them. Because "trust us, we'll fix it" from SW doesn't do wonders, even for me. Especially after the last campaign.

Why... are they holding guns in one hand? It looks ridiculous, especially with how huge the weapons are. I sure hope those aren't actual poses that will come in the box...

I think (hope?) that there's a bit of a fish-eye lens thing in effect here. The guns look huge, but then so do the upper torsos look a bit disproportionately large compared to the legs, despite the low angle. Pauldrons are a little over-large as well, by maybe 15-20% The backpack also looks pretty huge on that model on the far right.

@Mymearan
Good morning! :-)
Lol, no! This kit must sell at retail to make us the money we are investing back, this is a Kickstarter and not a glorified pre-order.
We have provided the main idea, we still have a giggle everytime we think back then at the Shieldmaiden KS, people where saying "I don't want the models to be this static" even if we had explicitely witten these are T-poses (i.e. the pose every sculptor uses at first before). This time we took it a step ahead to give a better visual, apparently we again missed communicating the point! :-D

Feedback on the guns has been received (we have said so repeatedly on the comment section but we will write it down on an update just to be crystal clear).

So can you clarify if the guns will be held two handed or just one handed? Or a mix of both and in what ratio?

The faces could use a little work too I feel.

the plate on their stomach looks out of place makes them almost look preggo. I vote that out for more ab like armor that tapers down.

Next stretch goal achieved and decent pics of the next;

Honestly, I'd rather get the Sisters of Sigmar to make sure I get hands, and then kitbash my own weapons on.

Very promising – the silhouette looks good, and there's a good variety of detailing such as belt decorations and haircuts. Unlike angel of death 007, I think the abdominal armour looks good already; it prevents them looking wasp-waisted and fragile – which suits the stylised but (relatively) practical look well.

The pauldron size doesn't faze me; though a slight adjustment downwards in size for the backpacks, pauldrons and weapons would definitely make them more tempting.

Like some of the other posters, I really don't like the big glove things on the sci-fi sisters – that's what's stopping me backing now – but it sounds like you've got that in hand (if you'll excuse the pun); along with the posing.

Looking forward to seeing the tweaks, but looking very tempting indeed already.

Guys, this is work in progress, we don't have the luxury to spend on final designs if we don't secure the final funding first, it's just how things are! Weaponry has been discussed in the comment section and we will be posting an update on this also, if someone doubts we have the know-how in order to give them visible hands instead then I really don't know what to say. :-/

Here are some of the earlier designs, nothing fancy but still to give you an idea.







@Ingtaer
one handed weaponry, if we don't hit the SG to provide them with alternative heavy weaponry then we'll probably be adding a couple ourselves. Heavy machine gun and heavy flaming weapon are the first in line if that's your next question. ;-)

Those hand renders do look much better! But as Azazelx posted, given the results from the last campaign where spears were not included, people should definitely not take it for granted that you'll make a change, but express what they want to see in the models to make sure the message gets through.

I do think they'd look much better holding their guns in two hands. Since the arms look like they're separate pieces in both kits, this should be possible, but it would probably take a huge groundswell of support to convince SW . If you look at the models people would use these as, though, that's definitely what would look like the best fit, I think!

For counts-as purposes, what would people here plan to put in the second (non-gun) hand? From these pics, you'd have to convert something for that yourself... It seems like this would need a ready answer in the kit no matter what, for them to really be useful to most players, since the unit they'd be used as holds only a single gun in two hands.

Am I correct in assuming all guns will be two-handed in the final versions then?

 Mymearan wrote:
Am I correct in assuming all guns will be two-handed in the final versions then?

The larger guns which would look unnatural if they were held as a single hand weapon will be two-handed, yes. We'll still need to test and see what's the best fit, it is unlikely we will use the same sculpting procedure we used on the halberds of our Mountain Orcs though. We are thinking of molding one hand on the weapon to also make assembly easier. We have a good idea of how the distribution on the sprue will be, but being HIPS it's not the same as resin or metal production -way more complicated. :-)

@RiTides
Spears were initially never planned for, it was brought up during the Shieldmaiden project in the comments section and we thought we could include them. It took us time, effort and funds for something that at the end didn't fit and we found ourselves forced to drop. We are much more careful in this project not to extend ourselves in things we "think" can be included (even if we are pretty sure on them), best we surprise everyone pleasently at the end than overpromise and under-deliver. :-)

 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
Am I correct in assuming all guns will be two-handed in the final versions then?

The larger guns which would look unnatural if they were held as a single hand weapon will be two-handed, yes. We'll still need to test and see what's the best fit, it is unlikely we will use the same sculpting procedure we used on the halberds of our Mountain Orcs though. We are thinking of molding one hand on the weapon to also make assembly easier. We have a good idea of how the distribution on the sprue will be, but being HIPS it's not the same as resin or metal production -way more complicated. :-)

@RiTides
Spears were initially never planned for, it was brought up during the Shieldmaiden project in the comments section and we thought we could include them. It took us time, effort and funds for something that at the end didn't fit and we found ourselves forced to drop. We are much more careful in this project not to extend ourselves in things we "think" can be included (even if we are pretty sure on them), best we surprise everyone pleasently at the end than overpromise and under-deliver. :-)

Um, you what? So first you give two different answers to the same question and then you follow up with that load of rubbish to 'Tides.
Heres some pics for you, you might recognise them;



Those are your renders from the Shieldmaiden campaign, holding spears, posted before backers even had a chance to comment.

Yes, the bident (we called it trident at the time!), which we said on comments and on an update https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1273312680/war-is-coming-shieldmaidens-army-reboot/posts/1503497
where we had written our initial planning, quoting from that update
"we will decide in the Summer which of the sculpted pieces will make it to the final tooling process -trident is unlikely to make it for example as it cosnumes too much space & probably falls away from the theme, but as we said these are all initial concepts and Work in Progress (WIP)."

This should have been made clear on future updates like some people from here suggested, it didn't cross our minds and we never did it.
I am sorry but this is getting frustrating, place yourself in our shoes. We are a small team trying to make the best of it, with fairly good results so far. Not optimal, but certainly not lacking. The spears issue has been discussed before in this very forum, there's nothing we can do about it now. There was good intention and effort, and we did try to fit them in, we also explained that's the reason why the additional bodies were tooled horizzontally instead of vertically on the Shieldmaiden sprues you received, it was so we could fit the spears. Which we didn't. True. We assumed responsability and the story has ended with us carrying away the knowledge.

I wrote this because someone not aware of the story if reading what RiTides writes is as if the spears where a stretch goal or something and while funded we didn't deliver. Which is not true! You are supporting us, why would would I trouble making any excuse on something that has happened just to irritate you? I could have ignored the comment, but that's not my job, my job is to address everything and I'm trying my best. HIPS is not easy to deal with, it takes many many months of sculptiing, matching, test printing, lay-outs, undercuts, final printing, calibrating and tooling, God knows how many hours Angelos is on top of all that to make sure it goes as it must. For this reason we have not listed a precise breakdown of weaponry, exactly because we don't want the spear issue to be ever repeated.

 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
Yes, the bident (we called it trident at the time!), which we said on comments and on an update https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1273312680/war-is-coming-shieldmaidens-army-reboot/posts/1503497
where we had written our initial planning, quoting from that update
"we will decide in the Summer which of the sculpted pieces will make it to the final tooling process -trident is unlikely to make it for example as it cosnumes too much space & probably falls away from the theme, but as we said these are all initial concepts and Work in Progress (WIP)."

This should have been made clear on future updates like some people from here suggested, it didn't cross our minds and we never did it.

That update was published after the KS ended, though. So it's not like people could have reacted to it unpledging. And it wasn't on the KS main page either (but the renders were, very prominently so).

I do agree that it should probably have been made clearer what exactly went in and out on a following update as soon as the contents were fixed. I never got into the comments, so never really knew.

 Albertorius wrote:

 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
Yes, the bident (we called it trident at the time!), which we said on comments and on an update https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1273312680/war-is-coming-shieldmaidens-army-reboot/posts/1503497
where we had written our initial planning, quoting from that update
"we will decide in the Summer which of the sculpted pieces will make it to the final tooling process -trident is unlikely to make it for example as it cosnumes too much space & probably falls away from the theme, but as we said these are all initial concepts and Work in Progress (WIP)."

This should have been made clear on future updates like some people from here suggested, it didn't cross our minds and we never did it.

That update was published after the KS ended, though,

Negative. The date of the update is February 27th, 2016 and it was number 13 out of 22 updates in total before the project was succesfully funded on March 3rd, 2016.


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 Albertorius wrote:
I do agree that it should probably have been made clearer what exactly went in and out on a following update as soon as the contents were fixed. I never got into the comments, so never really knew.

We have admitted this was a mistake from our part. We assume full responsability, perfect communication is our obbligation and certainly not that of the backers.

 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
Am I correct in assuming all guns will be two-handed in the final versions then?

The larger guns which would look unnatural if they were held as a single hand weapon will be two-handed, yes. We'll still need to test and see what's the best fit, it is unlikely we will use the same sculpting procedure we used on the halberds of our Mountain Orcs though. We are thinking of molding one hand on the weapon to also make assembly easier. We have a good idea of how the distribution on the sprue will be, but being HIPS it's not the same as resin or metal production -way more complicated. :-)

@RiTides
Spears were initially never planned for, it was brought up during the Shieldmaiden project in the comments section and we thought we could include them. It took us time, effort and funds for something that at the end didn't fit and we found ourselves forced to drop. We are much more careful in this project not to extend ourselves in things we "think" can be included (even if we are pretty sure on them), best we surprise everyone pleasently at the end than overpromise and under-deliver. :-)

I hope "larger guns" include basically everything but Bolt Pistols, because anything else will look ridiculous one-handed on a female in power armour, including normal Bolters.

Just to be clear, I mentioned the spears because the renders showed spears, and then they weren't in the kit - and that's it. Now, to get back to the matter "at hand":

People would really love to field these models holding guns with two hands, as that's how the models they're representing are armed. But regardless of how they hold them, you need a plan for them to be armed with only one gun and no combat weapon.

If you could pass on that feedback, I'm sure many folks would appreciate it!

@Mymearan
:-)


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 RiTides wrote:
If you could pass on that feedback, I'm sure many folks would appreciate it!

I will. :-)

Those fantasy sisters are awesome! Will there be hammers or shields on the sprue?


As for the sci fi sisters, I'll agree that the boxy elbows and wrist supports (In the grim darkness of the far future, there is no worker's comp?) don't work. I also would like to see the helmets you have planned before I get too excited. But the cores of the miniatures are solid designs that look great.


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Are the closed fist-boxes a work-around to make the guns ambidextrous?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Those fantasy sisters are awesome! Will there be hammers or shields on the sprue?

Hammers yes, shields no they are not in the core box because they are planned as a stretch goal.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Are the closed fist-boxes a work-around to make the guns ambidextrous?

I will admit that we had not even thought of that as an option, but no, they are not.

Seeing hands on the sci-fi weaponry makes my heart sing with joy.

I'm sure no one doubted your ability to do so, but sometimes design constraints for modular kits can force odd choices.

 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
Negative. The date of the update is February 27th, 2016 and it was number 13 out of 22 updates in total before the project was succesfully funded on March 3rd, 2016.

Ah, so it is. I stand corrected.

 Albertorius wrote:

 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
Negative. The date of the update is February 27th, 2016 and it was number 13 out of 22 updates in total before the project was succesfully funded on March 3rd, 2016.

Ah, so it is. I stand corrected.

We made mistakes as well on the communication department, we'll try to be clearer from now on.


In the meanwhile we have come up with an idea to have the paladins made faster by tooling the rest in resin. We believed (also according to our research) that female paladins would be requested in the market but apparently people aren't as interested as we thought. We are using this idea we came up with (although we would very much prefer to tool everything in plastic) mainly because we hold control on the resin production and math adds up.

Let us know what you think, we have posted the new SG list on the comment section before moving on to an official update but we want to know what you think!