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For those of you who backed Warpath, have you seen this post over at bgg? Maybe it's getting posted elsewhere, but for those with the time, take a look:

https://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/1478753/warpath-rulebook-page-design-opinions-needed

 Pacific wrote:
Have ordered DS, £43 inc. free P&P from Firestorm Games here in the UK.

From reading reviews of the gameplay I'm hoping for a few (maybe more, if it's fun) games with some friends with dwarf, barbarian et al tromping around a dungeon. For me, that's a really reasonable price. I'm not expecting it to set the world on fire, although on that score I guess that's the difference between spending £40 on something and hundreds (which it is very easy to do with a KS)

It has a lot of replay value. The closest I can describe it is a videogame where you know you're going to die, you just get a little better each time. If the heroes win the regular adventures on the first try, you're doing something very wrong as an overlord.

it took our Monday night group five attempts to beat Adventure 1: Well Met, and then suddenly they cracked it with 4 turns to spare.

So far all I've gotten is one of the expansions that was shipped separately, still waiting for the rest so I haven't read the rules yet. Anyway.. is there any kind of facing rule saying you need to have square bases? I like the look of round bases better so I was thinking about rebasing stuff... figured a 25mm round would be fine for most? 40 or 50mm for the big models?

I believe facing is v important, yes, but that can be easily handled with round bases I am sure.

Facing is important but as long as it's unambiguous there shouldn't be any problem with round bases.

The bases are one of the games nice features I like them a lot and am tempted to buy them by the bagload later.

They have only one flaw, the fit the squares and thus can get very crowded if you have a bunched melee, and clumsy if any parts go over the base edge, as you cant easily readjust for multiple fighters with wings or polearms.

The bases also argue with the connection clips.

Is facing just front & back? that should be easy enough for round bases. I just prefer that look.. I do like the dungeony pattern the square ones have though

I was going to go with Proxie Model's round bases, they're cheap and nice & flat so they'll be good for a board game too. I like the warmachine style bases the best, but they're 30mm so they would probably be too big.

 Buttery Commissar wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
Have ordered DS, £43 inc. free P&P from Firestorm Games here in the UK.

From reading reviews of the gameplay I'm hoping for a few (maybe more, if it's fun) games with some friends with dwarf, barbarian et al tromping around a dungeon. For me, that's a really reasonable price. I'm not expecting it to set the world on fire, although on that score I guess that's the difference between spending £40 on something and hundreds (which it is very easy to do with a KS)

It has a lot of replay value. The closest I can describe it is a videogame where you know you're going to die, you just get a little better each time. If the heroes win the regular adventures on the first try, you're doing something very wrong as an overlord.

it took our Monday night group five attempts to beat Adventure 1: Well Met, and then suddenly they cracked it with 4 turns to spare.

Ah thanks for that, certainly sounds encouraging! I think I'm probably going to play a few games, then pick up the adventurers guide.

What usually happens in these kinds of games is I play the bad guy/overlord, and then am much too soft on the adventurers playing the game. I leave a few gaps for them to have a chance to pull the game back and then end up losing at the last moment..

You aren't the GM,but a rival player, so have no mercy, crush the sanctimonious fools who dare tread in your dungeon home.

This does them a favour, as the scenario are balanced enough the heroes will eventually learn how to win.

 Necros wrote:
Is facing just front & back? that should be easy enough for round bases. I just prefer that look.. I do like the dungeony pattern the square ones have though

I was going to go with Proxie Model's round bases, they're cheap and nice & flat so they'll be good for a board game too. I like the warmachine style bases the best, but they're 30mm so they would probably be too big.

Facing is a little more than front or back. Imagine your figure stood on a square grid, facing forwards. The three squares directly in front, and the ones to left and right are 'front', and the three behind are 'behind'. There's a penalty if you're attacked from behind. So, on a grid:

F F F
F X F
B B B

Does that make sense? As long as it's obvious where your figure is 'looking', it shouldn't be a problem how they're based.

If you have round bases, mark the front somehow, it will be enough to just have a dot on the base.
This might sound simple enough to leave to the miniature, but it can be confusing for some with minis that face off centre or stand sideways. For the official minis this only becomes confusing with Madriga, but confusion is often a watchword for gamesmanship. Square bases make it hard for someone to 'accidentally' face a diagonal, though adding a centre dot on the front arc also prevents gamesmanship, but gives levity when positioning the base on the board square.

I got my DS package a couple of weeks ago, but I haven't had time to open it until today, during a slow hour at work. Everything appears to be there, and the models look much nicer than I had expected. For some reason, they seem to have sent me two copies of Return of Valandor, and three sets of the Valandor/Bael, along with the usual mountain of packing peanuts and three empty ziploc baggies. I'll have to spend some more time going through everything over winter break, but at this point I have no regrets over backing this project.

I wonder if the orc archers will be available separately. They'd make a nice unit of Skulks for KoW.

 JoshInJapan wrote:
I wonder if the orc archers will be available separately. They'd make a nice unit of Skulks for KoW.

KoW Skulks were released a month or so back so it seems unlikely.

 Orlanth wrote:
You aren't the GM,but a rival player, so have no mercy, crush the sanctimonious fools who dare tread in your dungeon home.

This does them a favour, as the scenario are balanced enough the heroes will eventually learn how to win.

Ah OK, so similar to Descent then in that regard.

I struggled with doing that in that game as well actually, too much playing D&D is very hard for un-learn that style of play!

Great to hear that the scenarios are well balanced, look forward to playing some games for the first time this weekend!

I'm impressed by the plastics, the material is harder than I thought it would be and holds a decent amount of detail. The Valandor model is a bit lacking in comparison, but I'll live.

All in all, a massive amount of plastic and card that must have risked the delivery dude's core strength, I'm missing my resin addons, but that's hopefully nothing that an email won't rectify.

 Orlanth wrote:

Yes. Rackham made AT-43 and Confrontation Age of Ragnarok. Both games had potential, however stock imports from China were extreemly haphazard. They had no stock availability on basic lines for months at a time, when core items were plain unavailable the game was killed.

Imagine Gw outsourced and was told, 'no space marines until six months time', then after six months, 'perhaps space marines in another ix months'. The outsourced manufacturer doesn't give a gak, so long as they are paid, which is done upfront to get any work done.

Your narrative about the evil/indifferent Chinese seems to omit more than a few poor decisions made by Rackham, but hey - you're welcome to believe what you like.

 Azazelx wrote:

Looked at those "bases"? Acrylic counters? Changes from Skull to Heart-counters? Pay for a printed book? Expect the Adventurer's companion to resemble the huge tome they used to advertise it? As you seem to have (later) acknowledged those issues, you may wish to revise your statement above.

I acknowledged those issues from the outset, and have some misgivings, but the core product we backed for is just fine and a good value for what we paid for.
I am a glass half full backer, rather than a glass thrown at wall in tantrum backer.

Huh.

I thought you said:

Keeping positive is its own reward, this project is hardly a turkey, or a bad deal. Beyond a very bad personal experience wih the delivery, which can happen, I cant see mush to complain about frankly.

Can't see much? gak, you're a perfect corporate customer. Because you seem to forget that people pay money for these things and tend to expect that the quality or design of the things that they paid for would match or at least be a very close approximation to what was promised. It's fine that you place little to no value on your money or the time that it takes to earn it, but I value my own a bit higher, it seems.

Your little snipe about broken glasses is telling, since you appear to be the kind of guy who will take any old gak you're given and thank them for it. People who get pissed off and vocally angry about things that aren't up to scratch are the ones who actually force change and backpedalling when companies decide to feth over their customers.

 Azazelx wrote:


Your narrative about the evil/indifferent Chinese seems to omit more than a few poor decisions made by Rackham, but hey - you're welcome to believe what you like.

I will, because it makes sense. You highlighted Rackham alone out of the several companies I mentioned which show a recurring pattern.

 Azazelx wrote:

I thought you said:

Keeping positive is its own reward, this project is hardly a turkey, or a bad deal. Beyond a very bad personal experience wih the delivery, which can happen, I cant see mush to complain about frankly.

Can't see much? gak, you're a perfect corporate customer. Because you seem to forget that people pay money for these things and tend to expect that the quality or design of the things that they paid for would match or at least be a very close approximation to what was promised.

It is.
Mantic even offered you premium quality seperatly via exclusive resin miniatures. They were also up front about Dungeon Saga being made of single piece boardgames quality plastic.

 Azazelx wrote:

It's fine that you place little to no value on your money or the time that it takes to earn it, but I value my own a bit higher, it seems.

And you are wrong to do so. They never offered you premium plastic models in the boxsets, as boardgame quality sculps they are well above average for the most part. Superior to the sculpts for Descent at least.
You have the entirely unrealistic expectation of what you are getting, perhaps you should have read the Kickstarter description when you backed it.

When you add to that the quality of sculpts available for the premium resin miniatures, which were provides as an optional extra you have only yourself to blame. Exemplary sculpts of most pieces were provided for you. Not all I must admit but you cant crucify Mantic for that.

 Azazelx wrote:

Your little snipe about broken glasses is telling, since you appear to be the kind of guy who will take any old gak you're given and thank them for it. People who get pissed off and vocally angry about things that aren't up to scratch are the ones who actually force change and backpedalling when companies decide to feth over their customers.

^ Please dont throw the rattles out of the pram ^

With minor exception what you got it what Mantic promised. If it sucks now in your opinion then it sucked during the pledge funding and its your fault for backing a project that was clearly from the description given not worth buying. If you are upset over the exceptions to this like the hardback book then take a chill, Mantic didn't provide 100%, who does?

You are entirely as an artistic opinion not to like Dungeon Saga, it is entirely subjective whether a models is awesome or sucks. I for one don't like the barbarians axe, the horned skull at the back just seems to get in the way and look ridiculous. Someone else might think its awesome. However what you are doing is flatly denying that Mantc have delivered what they promised i the KS to deliver. The fact is by and large they have, there are exceptions, resin counters, acrylic counters and the hardback book especially, but they are a small percentage of the project. For the vast majority of items we get a clear reresentation of what Mantic promised in their text and showed in their images when the Kickstarter was active.

The novels, the cut scenarios, the lack of explaining about extra hero's not coming with rules unless you buy the expansion, overselling the book that allows you to create a dungeon and campaign.

Still, to Mantic's credit I have my refund coming now and will probably still concider them again when spending cash, something I wouldn't have done if they'd not sorted me out.

I still haven't seen anyone here in the US that have received their core box, Is that still the case? Have they said anything about when these will begin to ship? I thought they all arrived at the dispersement point about 2 weeks ago. I got screwed around with the KOW2 shipping and blew my lid and am probably on a blacklist with Mantic. I'm concerned with their lack of updates their and the fact that I was a late backer on this that I might get left out. I don't get the updates from this being a late backer, and I'll admit that I haven't been following the comments as closely as I should due to life stuff.

I think the last update alluded to most of the boxes having been sent, and promised another update about the shipping status quote soon... However I think soon has already passed. Lemme go look it up again.


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On the 20rh they said they were most done and should be by the 7th promising more on shipping in a future update. Which was 9 days ago. As close as we are to the US distribution center I think we both should have gotten it.


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But I guess there's just over a week before official lateness.

Theophony, I was a late backer for KoW and was forgotten about, so it's worth hounding them about it if you don't have it by the 7th.

 Alex C wrote:
Theophony, I was a late backer for KoW and was forgotten about, so it's worth hounding them about it if you don't have it by the 7th.

Same here for KoW2. Still no response from Armstrong. R2 puts his odds of survival at 720 to 1. Oh dear oh dear.

 Alex C wrote:
Theophony, I was a late backer for KoW and was forgotten about, so it's worth hounding them about it if you don't have it by the 7th.

That's not a Good sign.....

But I did contact rich a few months back and asked him to double check my order and he sent me a copy of my paid invoice. I have his email saved. But I have been a big pain in his butt on the KOW2 comments and have called him out as the liar he is with proof. (He promised he mailed my replacement pledge the day before minus some things), he then went on vacation and Steve emailed me and said he would get it out the next day (2days after rich had supposedly shipped it). I got Stevie's box of goodies, with a couple extra figs (a Blaine that they were out of stock on , and an extra Ronaldo the bard). Still no sign of riches box. I want things to go smooth as I don't want to look like I'm making stuff up with Mantic not being able to ship stuff. There's just too much mis-ships happening out of there.

VicVox wrote:
I haven't played with any of the legendary heroes yet so I cannot tell if they will be sufficiently sturdy, but I had no problem with Keldan's sword blade in gluing/painting (and I even dropped the poor fellow from my desk...)

I use the following "technique":

1. put alittle droplet of super glue on both hand and sword blade end
2. put a tiny tiny ball of greenstuff on the hand
3. press blade into green stuff - hold for 20seconds or so

now the super glue should have properly bonded with the green stuff
if necessary scrape some gs away or "model" it a bit with a toothpick/metal instrument to make it less visible

4. lean keldan in some position between things such that the sword blade is stabilised in position for the time it takes the greenstuff to harden completely (~1 day)



Same technique has worked well for Ally McSween's knife blade (seriously why is that a separate piece?!) and the treeman's separate decorative bits

I have been fond of this method since first encountering it in The Army Painters' free painting guide.

It works amazingly well.

The Auld Grump

Looks like bad news for American backers- the distribution company Mantic hired has been sending the parcels out at a really incredibly slow rate, and if they don't get their act together Mantic reckons they might not all by delivered by 7th December.

I saw that, I was sad. Well, am sad.

Lame.

How does anything that can call itself a company manage to only send out 80 boxen in a given day? I mean they're prepackaged... so far as I understand they'd have to get them all in, store them (and there were probably a lot but still) and then slap on a label for where each goes before chucking it on a truck...

Oh well, probably some small time company they found that was offering cheap rates.. or possibly the company oversold it's capabilities and fooled mantic and what not. Either way, kind of bored of it all at this point

 GrimDork wrote:
possibly the company oversold it's capabilities

You talking about Mantic or their distributor?

Maybe it's both?

Finally got my DS stuff today. Tyrant Blaine looks awesome, but either has a tattered to hell cloak or a ton of bubbles. Valandor is...sigh. Half the quality of a Bones mini at twice the price. The Abyssals are decent, roughly Mars Attacks quality. Will post more after I get a good look at them and maybe some pics.

Agreed it is a slow rate of dispatch, but wiythout excusing it taht much it is unfortunate that DS shipping is at the same time that the delivery systems are at full capacity with Black Friday and Cyber whatsit.

I have suffered exactly the same in reverse from US KS's. The goods ship (usually a six week trip from China) but seem to take an eternity to arrive on my dorrstep once they dock, usually because the Company has torely on the good services of its shipping agents and deilvery companies. Even CMON (the biggest KSer around are not immune, a year or so ago Rivet Wars took over month simply to get out of German customs..