Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting

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**Radiation**

daedalus wrote:
Radiation wrote:

Mishandle is an understatement. This guy has a place of his own in history now and he earned it.

I would argue, and I have a bit of a reputation for being the crazy bleeding heart anti-establishment type in these here parts, that while he was the catalyst, the situation didn't get to the point it's up to without the rest of the authorities handling it as poorly has they have. I see many places to lay fault on both sides of the coin, and that includes the protesting side as well. Singularly picking him as the point of blame just seems too limited.

I hope when the smoke clears everyone directly involved learns a hard lesson they don't forget soon.

I don't have a problem with the protesters. They're angry. That's fine. It's painful to watch, but I feel it to. I think other heads will roll in the aftermath of all this. But the cop earned himself a special place in history, argue all you want about all the details. He's no role model and he's no hero.

**Steve steveson**

No one is saying he is a role model or a hero, but they are also not vilifying him like you are. The protesters are fine, it's the rioters people dislike, including those who live in the area. Your still refusing to answer any questions and ignoring anything that does not fit your myopic view.

**Jihadin**

Think Dorian Johnson, Brown friend needs to get slammed for a BS eye witness report

**Radiation**

Steve steveson wrote:
No one is saying he is a role model or a hero, but they are also not vilifying him like you are. The protesters are fine, it's the rioters people dislike, including those who live in the area. Your still refusing to answer any questions and ignoring anything that does not fit your myopic view.

When did dakka hire me to hangout in offtopic in the middle of the night to answer questions? And how much are they paying? Public internet bro. I'm not here to explain the mystical workings of the universe to you. And the cop already villified himself, that wasn't my doing.

**daedalus**

Radiation wrote:

When did dakka hire me to hangout in offtopic in the middle of the night to answer questions? And how much are they paying? Public internet bro. I'm not here to explain the mystical workings of the universe to you. And the cop already villified himself, that wasn't my doing.

Generally people having some notion of the mystical workings of the universe are much more eager to spill them, gratis even. I still think that it's odd that you'd hold such a strong opinion, but be unwilling to explain how it could have gone down more peaceably.

**AduroT**

daedalus wrote:
Radiation wrote:

When did dakka hire me to hangout in offtopic in the middle of the night to answer questions? And how much are they paying? Public internet bro. I'm not here to explain the mystical workings of the universe to you. And the cop already villified himself, that wasn't my doing.

Generally people having some notion of the mystical workings of the universe are much more eager to spill them, gratis even. I still think that it's odd that you'd hold such a strong opinion, but be unwilling to explain how it could have gone down more peaceably.

That's easy, because he has only an opinion, not facts to back it up.

**Quarterdime**

I sure hope public officials take a lesson from this and the police get a talking to about excessive force.

**Steve steveson**

Whatever... Its not worth arguing with someone who's reaction when they are called out to provide facts or more backup is to say "I don't have to do that! You can't tell me what to do!"

Anyway, looks like this happened:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-30220409

US embassy marchers condemn Ferguson shooting
Protesters in Oxford Street, London The protesters marched down Oxford Street at around 21:00 GMT on Wednesday

Hundreds of people have taken part in a demonstration outside the US embassy in London condemning the decision not to charge a police officer with shooting Missouri teenager Michael Brown.

Protesters observed a minute's silence before marching down Oxford Street and making their way to Parliament Square.

They were joined by Carole Duggan, whose nephew Mark was shot dead by a Met police officer in 2011.

Police said the "impromptu march" ended peacefully at about 23:30 GMT.

Ms Duggan told the crowd on Wednesday evening "we know the pain of losing somebody at the hands of the police".

She told them they were sending a message to the family of Michael Brown.

"That is why we stand in solidarity with the community of Ferguson. I feel they are very strong and brave people."

She went on: "They've come to a point in Ferguson where there is no turning back.

"They have to carry on fighting. They have to see this through. We have to stand behind them because you know what happens there will eventually happen here."
Mark Duggan campaign group Carole Duggan, whose nephew Mark was shot dead in 2011, said she stood behind the family of Michael Brown
Protest outside US embassy The protest was described as noisy but non-violent
A protester holds up a placard in Oxford Street, central London Demonstrators gathered in Parliament Square after walking down Oxford Street

The US Embassy protest was organised by campaign groups Stand Up To Racism and London Black Revolutionaries, according to the Press Association.

It follows the decision not to charge white police officer Darren Wilson with the death of Michael Brown who was shot dead on 9 August in Ferguson.

In London, protesters held placards which read "Jail racist cops" and chanted "Killer police off our streets".

After marching down Europe's busiest shopping street, they gathered again in Parliament Square. No arrests were made.

The sister of Sean Rigg, who died at Brixton police station in 2008, was also at the rally.

Marcia Rigg said: "Burning and looting - we don't condone these acts - but I for one, and I'm sure people around the world, understand the frustration and anger that the people are feeling when our loved ones are murdered on the streets."
Michael Brown Michael Brown's death has caused civil unrest in a number of US cities

Any Mark Dugans family are involved now... For those who don't know, he was a black teenager, involved in gang violence, drugs and had purchased a handgun 15 minuets before and surveillance said he was on the way to shoot a rival gang member. A gun was found 10 feet from the taxi he was in when he was stopped. His family insist he was not involved in gangs, drugs and had no criminal record (dispute two minor convictions and being arrested a number of times for various crimes, including attempted murder and murder).

Serious questions need to be asked throughout society. Both on the way the police work, but also about how society handles some things. Do the police have problems with the likely hood of black teenagers being stopped and searched? Absolutely. Is this entirely down to racist attitudes in the police, or does the number of black teens involved in gang violence play a part? This is a conversation that needs to be had with all involved if we are going to stop these things happening, not just the one sided mud slinging going on all over that we have at the moment. We need to accept that some police are racist, but some are just humans who do a difficult job. We also need to accept that some people are gang members and are violent, but also that there are people who want to heal the community, but cannot express themselves well or keep anger contained, and that anger is not a part of underling violence, but a want to make things better.

**Radiation**

daedalus wrote:
Radiation wrote:

When did dakka hire me to hangout in offtopic in the middle of the night to answer questions? And how much are they paying? Public internet bro. I'm not here to explain the mystical workings of the universe to you. And the cop already villified himself, that wasn't my doing.

Generally people having some notion of the mystical workings of the universe are much more eager to spill them, gratis even. I still think that it's odd that you'd hold such a strong opinion, but be unwilling to explain how it could have gone down more peaceably.

That's not the way the world works. This is reality. We don't get to go back and do it again. Besides my opinion isn't that strong. The guy was a terrible cop. He blew it on a historical level. It's a reasonable observation. What else are you going to argue? "Oh he's ok, it's really not that bad." Good luck with that narrative.

**daedalus**

Well, at worst, he's a terrible person who hurt a bunch of people. At best, he's a human being, just as pathetic, limited, and fallible as anyone else, who tried to deal with a scary situation that might have been well beyond most people even on their best day.

I frankly can't say even now that there's enough to draw a solid conclusion either way. At some times I'm just not capable of rendering my own judgement upon people.

One thing I do hold to be true though: the officer involved did not force anyone to throw bricks at any business. At the end of the day, our reactions to anything around us are our own, and that is that. You might hate him for committing an injustice, but at the end of the day, no one caused these riots other than the people who rioted.

**Steve steveson**

Never mind... Getting drawn in to the stupidity again...

**d-usa**

Alex C wrote:
Saw a driver just start plowing through the crowds of morons blocking roads.

Seems like the driver has a history of being an idiot:

http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_27019247/st-paul-man-suspected-driving-into-ferguson-protest

Rice, who has a record of driving violations, hung up on a reporter Wednesday.

He was convicted of driving after a license cancellation in 2008 in Washington County, a second-degree DWI in 2003 in Scott County, having an open bottle of alcohol in his car and violating a restricted driver's license in 2001 in Pine County. He was convicted of driving while intoxicated with a blood alcohol greater than 0.20, and fleeing police in Ramsey County in 2000.

**MrDwhitey**

Oh god d-usa has that avatar again.

**Ahtman**

MrDwhitey wrote:
Oh god d-usa has that avatar again.

That is how you know the holidays have actually begun.

**Goliath**

d-usa wrote:
Alex C wrote:
Saw a driver just start plowing through the crowds of morons blocking roads.

Seems like the driver has a history of being an idiot:

http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_27019247/st-paul-man-suspected-driving-into-ferguson-protest

Rice, who has a record of driving violations, hung up on a reporter Wednesday.

He was convicted of driving after a license cancellation in 2008 in Washington County, a second-degree DWI in 2003 in Scott County, having an open bottle of alcohol in his car and violating a restricted driver's license in 2001 in Pine County. He was convicted of driving while intoxicated with a blood alcohol greater than 0.20, and fleeing police in Ramsey County in 2000.

No! How will I be able to tell who I should call a thug? On the one hand you've got filthy protesters, but on the other hand you have a drunk driver. I don't know who to be smugly superior at!

**SlaveToDorkness**

My Ignore list....It groooows!

**Inquisitor Lord Bane**

My friend invited me to the planned protest in Philly next weekend. She also told me to wear a mask to support Anonymous. Having trouble figuring out how to tell her thats a bad idea...

**Relapse**

daedalus wrote:
Radiation wrote:

When did dakka hire me to hangout in offtopic in the middle of the night to answer questions? And how much are they paying? Public internet bro. I'm not here to explain the mystical workings of the universe to you. And the cop already villified himself, that wasn't my doing.

Generally people having some notion of the mystical workings of the universe are much more eager to spill them, gratis even. I still think that it's odd that you'd hold such a strong opinion, but be unwilling to explain how it could have gone down more peaceably.

I am of the belief he's just trolling.

**hotsauceman1**

daedalus wrote:
Radiation wrote:

Mishandle is an understatement. This guy has a place of his own in history now and he earned it.

I would argue, and I have a bit of a reputation for being the crazy bleeding heart anti-establishment type in these here parts, .

I thought that was me

**Steve steveson**

Can't we all be hippy pinko liberals?

**whembly**

Radiation wrote:
daedalus wrote:
Radiation wrote:

When did dakka hire me to hangout in offtopic in the middle of the night to answer questions? And how much are they paying? Public internet bro. I'm not here to explain the mystical workings of the universe to you. And the cop already villified himself, that wasn't my doing.

Generally people having some notion of the mystical workings of the universe are much more eager to spill them, gratis even. I still think that it's odd that you'd hold such a strong opinion, but be unwilling to explain how it could have gone down more peaceably.

That's not the way the world works. This is reality. We don't get to go back and do it again. Besides my opinion isn't that strong. The guy was a terrible cop. He blew it on a historical level. It's a reasonable observation. What else are you going to argue? "Oh he's ok, it's really not that bad." Good luck with that narrative.

I have just one question for you. Just a simple "yes" or "no" will suffice.

Have you taken the time to read the Grand Jury report and review the photo/scene evidence?

**easysauce**

Quarterdime wrote:
I sure hope public officials take a lesson from this and the police get a talking to about excessive force.

I sure hope that the public takes a lesson from this and doesn't commit crimes and assault police officers.

**Jihadin**

Still waiting on the water cannon to be broking out

**Formosa**

So clarify this for a brit will you guys.

Kid has what is thought to be a gun, kid has clearly taken the little orange bit of it for a reason, god knows what that is.

cops get call out because kid is waving gun around (?)

They turn up and kid has said "gun"

Cops I assume asked him to drop it, he either did or didn't.

cops shoot kid dead.

so what im missing is this, why did they shoot the kid, did he go to pull it out or something? or was the copper just taking no risks (understandable).

To me this seems like another reason the yanks need to disarm, too many guns, too high a risk, how many kids need to be shot before you people decide to stop this stuff being allowed.

as I said, inform a brit that just doesn't understand?

**Jihadin**

Formosa wrote:
So clarify this for a brit will you guys.

Kid has what is thought to be a gun, kid has clearly taken the little orange bit of it for a reason, god knows what that is.

cops get call out because kid is waving gun around (?)

They turn up and kid has said "gun"

Cops I assume asked him to drop it, he either did or didn't.

cops shoot kid dead.

so what im missing is this, why did they shoot the kid, did he go to pull it out or something? or was the copper just taking no risks (understandable).

To me this seems like another reason the yanks need to disarm, too many guns, too high a risk, how many kids need to be shot before you people decide to stop this stuff being allowed.

as I said, inform a brit that just doesn't understand?

Wrong thread
This is Micheal Brown thread
The thread you want is the twelve year old thread
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/624415.page

**Formosa**

derp thanks dude haha

**Jihadin**

Ugh.

Islamic jihadists worldwide have launched a barrage of recruitment messages amid the latest unrest in Ferguson, Mo., using Twitter accounts to call on African-Americans and others in the United States to join their cause.

Some messages urge direct revolt against the U.S. government, while others evoke the names of former black leaders – among them Malcolm X – in a bid to convince people of color that living under an Islamic caliphate is in their best interests.

“March against tyranny and arm yourselves against the true terrorists of our time: the US government,” says a tweet from a prominent Dutch jihadist in Syria going by the name of Israfil Yilmaz, and carrying “Ferguson Rising” and “Ferguson Decision” hashtags.

Another tweet from a user going by the name of Abu Hamza As Somaal says: “My fellow black community know that #Jihad is the only thing that will bring justice, respect and honor in (the) Ferguson decision.” This message is followed by the hashtag “Islamic State.”

The U.S.-based monitoring firm SITE Intelligence Group, which has been collecting the messages, said they began emerging in large numbers in the wake of the grand jury decision not to indict Darren Wilson, the white police officer involved in the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown, an African-American.

“Users characterized the decision as the result of America’s racism while claiming jihad and revolution to be fitting responses,” the group says in a statement accompanying the tweets.

“Some jihadist supporters even appeared to openly acknowledge the use of Ferguson as a means of recruitment.”

A message from a user identified as Abu Dhar Al Amirki appeared to directly address African Americans by encouraging people to travel to the IS-declared Caliphate in Syria and Iraq.

“In the Islamic state there are no racist, there is no difference between black and white,” the message said.

Similarly, another user tweeted: “Make hijra (meaning migration) to islamic state oh people of furgosan here we don't see the colour of skin but only the colour of your heart.”

References to statements by Malcolm X – the controversial African American Muslim minister who was a member of the Nation of Islam before leaving to embrace Sunni Islam – feature prominently in many of the jihadist tweets, SITE says.

One ran a graphic citing Malcolm X’s claim that Islam was “one religion that erases from its society the race problem…”

**juraigamer**

Whats sad is the recruitment messages send a better message.

**Frazzled**

Radiation wrote:
xole wrote:
Radiation wrote:
Hordini wrote:
Radiation wrote:
This guy has to be one of the worst cops in history. He couldn't even arrest a teenage shoplifter without blowing the kids head off like the kid was some sort of terminator. He definitely earned his place in the history books for this one. Total donut eater. His excuse was that he was scared. He thought the kid was a demon. What bonehead is in charge of hiring over there?

You realize he went for the officer's gun right? And continued to charge the officer after being shot?

Yeah, l realize he was completely incapable of handling the situation. That's my point. Again, I'm sure he will definitely be going places with his action hero career.

What would you suggest he have done?

How about not skrew everything up so bad that he ended up with a dead shoplifter and a burning city and no job. That would be a start.

Translation - I'm just blowing smoke out of my ass.

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Radiation wrote:
daedalus wrote:
Radiation wrote:

Mishandle is an understatement. This guy has a place of his own in history now and he earned it.

I would argue, and I have a bit of a reputation for being the crazy bleeding heart anti-establishment type in these here parts, that while he was the catalyst, the situation didn't get to the point it's up to without the rest of the authorities handling it as poorly has they have. I see many places to lay fault on both sides of the coin, and that includes the protesting side as well. Singularly picking him as the point of blame just seems too limited.

I hope when the smoke clears everyone directly involved learns a hard lesson they don't forget soon.

I don't have a problem with the protesters. They're angry. That's fine. It's painful to watch, but I feel it to. I think other heads will roll in the aftermath of all this. But the cop earned himself a special place in history, argue all you want about all the details. He's no role model and he's no hero.

So you're ok with looters too. Wow you're areal stand up guy. Shame they aren't looting your place. After all, you understand.

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Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:
My friend invited me to the planned protest in Philly next weekend. She also told me to wear a mask to support Anonymous. Having trouble figuring out how to tell her thats a bad idea...

Sounds like fun. Grab an IPhone for me!

**DarkLink**

Jihadin wrote:
Still waiting on the water cannon to be broking out

At the initial riots there was a news reporter who was critisizing the police's show of force who literally said 'well, couldn't the police use water cannons instead of rubber bullets?'