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2014/11/11 20:24:48
Subject: My Blue Table Painting Experience with Chaos Dwarves
Flippa wrote: If this is what MWG call quality and they're happy to recommend them, I'm so glad I live thousands of miles away and have nothing to do with them. By the way did they really paint lions metallic gold??
Spoiler:
About the metallic gold lions, if thats what the client wanted (which we dont know), then its not really BTPs fault.
2014/11/11 20:40:10
Subject: Re:My Blue Table Painting Experience with Chaos Dwarves
Flippa wrote: If this is what MWG call quality and they're happy to recommend them, I'm so glad I live thousands of miles away and have nothing to do with them. By the way did they really paint lions metallic gold??
[spoiler]
About the metallic gold lions, if thats what the client wanted (which we dont know), then its not really BTPs fault.
Who in their right mind would. Even if they did, how come you didn't mention the client wanting horrific blue on the land raider and wonky lines?? Or the big fat thing (don't know what it is) maybe the client requested it to look like it had been painted by a 5 year old. These are showcase figures for MWG and I highly doubt MWG would want metallic lions or wonky land raiders.
Why can't you admit it's shoddy work?
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Flippa wrote: If this is what MWG call quality and they're happy to recommend them, I'm so glad I live thousands of miles away and have nothing to do with them. By the way did they really paint lions metallic gold??
My thought exactly.
2014/11/11 20:45:03
Subject: Re:My Blue Table Painting Experience with Chaos Dwarves
Stormwall wrote: You're whiteknighting for a snake oil salesman who blatantly rips off kickstarters, customers, and his own employees.
Ugh, I hate to say this, but as a point of order, did they actually 'rip off' Kickstarter?
From the looks of it here, the campaign didn't fund, which means they didn't get any money pledged by backers.
Which isn't to say that they might not have been trying, or misled people during it, I don't know, I'm merely going on what has been said about that project in the course of this discussion, which has been less than favourable, but since it didn't fund they didn't get any of the money, which means they didn't actually 'rip off' anyone there, correct?
Not for lack of trying perhaps, but at the end of the day, zero money changed hands for that campaign by the looks of it. Though someone said that they claimed to have found another form of revenue/income, but the last updates to it aren't showing anything about that.
Again, not trying to defend them or their actions. Merely pointing out that we should note what they've actually done, and it doesn't seem like the KS campaign got them the money they sought from those backers.
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2014/11/11 20:47:53
Subject: Re:My Blue Table Painting Experience with Chaos Dwarves
Flippa wrote: If this is what MWG call quality and they're happy to recommend them, I'm so glad I live thousands of miles away and have nothing to do with them. By the way did they really paint lions metallic gold??
[spoiler]
About the metallic gold lions, if thats what the client wanted (which we dont know), then its not really BTPs fault.
Who in their right mind would. Even if they did, how come you didn't mention the client wanting horrific blue on the land raider and wonky lines?? Or the big fat thing (don't know what it is) maybe the client requested it to look like it had been painted by a 5 year old. These are showcase figures for MWG and I highly doubt MWG would want metallic lions or wonky land raiders.
Why can't you admit it's shoddy work?
Because those are like you said terribly done, also I believe these are not minis BTP made for MWG. Just images BTP gave MWG for this promo vid (which is weird because most of these minis suck). But yeah you cant really fault a commission service for a certain color choice if you dont know what the client wanted.
2014/11/11 20:50:28
Subject: Re:My Blue Table Painting Experience with Chaos Dwarves
Stormwall wrote: You're whiteknighting for a snake oil salesman who blatantly rips off kickstarters, customers, and his own employees.
Ugh, I hate to say this, but as a point of order, did they actually 'rip off' Kickstarter?
From the looks of it here, the campaign didn't fund, which means they didn't get any money pledged by backers.
Which isn't to say that they might not have been trying, or misled people during it, I don't know, I'm merely going on what has been said about that project in the course of this discussion, which has been less than favourable, but since it didn't fund they didn't get any of the money, which means they didn't actually 'rip off' anyone there, correct?
Not for lack of trying perhaps, but at the end of the day, zero money changed hands for that campaign by the looks of it. Though someone said that they claimed to have found another form of revenue/income, but the last updates to it aren't showing anything about that.
Again, not trying to defend them or their actions. Merely pointing out that we should note what they've actually done, and it doesn't seem like the KS campaign got them the money they sought from those backers.
Maybe he meant to say was an attempted rip off, because I mean if you look at it it was a rip off and against the KS rules I believe.
Flippa wrote: If this is what MWG call quality and they're happy to recommend them, I'm so glad I live thousands of miles away and have nothing to do with them. By the way did they really paint lions metallic gold??
[spoiler]
About the metallic gold lions, if thats what the client wanted (which we dont know), then its not really BTPs fault.
Who in their right mind would. Even if they did, how come you didn't mention the client wanting horrific blue on the land raider and wonky lines?? Or the big fat thing (don't know what it is) maybe the client requested it to look like it had been painted by a 5 year old. These are showcase figures for MWG and I highly doubt MWG would want metallic lions or wonky land raiders.
Why can't you admit it's shoddy work?
Because those are like you said terribly done, also I believe these are not minis BTP made for MWG. Just images BTP gave MWG for this promo vid (which is weird because most of these minis suck). But yeah you cant really fault a commission service for a certain color choice if you dont know what the client wanted.
also those lions were terrible even if painted gold. I see so many places to add some wash for depth on the models and a bit of highlighting, because if you look at the rest it was at least washed and had one highlight.
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Gullinbursti wrote: I love the people who are now going "Well if there is only a few fails and they've done 8000 jobs, then they're fine." If my job is to press a button which turns off an MRI before it fries peoples brains, I don't get a pass when I fry a guy.
Is the occasional failure still going to happen, probably. Does that mean its an excuse? No. Also, when you find out you've failed as hard as they did with Tenebre, you do your best to make it up to the wronged person. Airbrushing for 30secs to try and use badly done OSL (unrequested, nor consulted) to cover half done painting Is about the worst thing I could imagine doing to someone's army. Not only is the person left with a badly painted army which doesn't match their envisioned scheme, it makes it ever harder to repaint/fix.
If BTP can't handle the job (9000pts is a big damn jump in one sitting), you don't take it. Hell, I specifically have never painted up a full army on commission because my enjoyment/focus level is about right for Infinity sized forces. I've painted 40k/fantasy armies for myself, but I find them more a chore so I don't do themas commissions, even for mates.
Problem is not the failure rate, it's the customer service. People don't get treated right and they don't take responsibility for their screw ups.
Because those are like you said terribly done, also I believe these are not minis BTP made for MWG. Just images BTP gave MWG for this promo vid (which is weird because most of these minis suck). But yeah you cant really fault a commission service for a certain color choice if you dont know what the client wanted.
Did you just admit it's shoddy work?
Either way, the minis BTP had in their hand were also abysmal. I went back and checked, simply awful. If I was a commission painter (not good enough) then I certainly wouldn't put my name to these and the pictures I used to advertise my products would be my best work. It doesn't add up does it??
What happened to Tenebre is like going to buy a Big Mac, I just hope it doesn't happen to you.
We should, collectively, do a video response to the paid advertisement BTP got out of MWG.
There are a lot of really bad examples of their work out there, and it's not too hard to explain what's so awful about them. A showcase of what is wrong with the product they deliver should be an appropriate and suitable response.
techsoldaten wrote: We should, collectively, do a video response to the paid advertisement BTP got out of MWG.
There are a lot of really bad examples of their work out there, and it's not too hard to explain what's so awful about them. A showcase of what is wrong with the product they deliver should be an appropriate and suitable response.
I believe there are a few people on warseer who have talked about their bad experiences and those who have messaged op about it.
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
I still see comments too. And they can still be posted as far as I can tell.
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
I can still see comments too. They have some folks who shouldbe commended for their blind devotion, but I ccan't help but think have gone full r'tard in their comments posted applauding btps drybrushing and mwgs shilling.
2014/11/11 23:17:48
Subject: My Blue Table Painting Experience with Chaos Dwarves
FatherKnowsBest wrote: I can still see comments too. They have some folks who shouldbe commended for their blind devotion, but I ccan't help but think have gone full r'tard in their comments posted applauding btps drybrushing and mwgs shilling.
One guy thinks its all op downvoting and commenting with hundreds of accounts
I think maybe they just disabled comments for a while (and I just happen to catch it at the time)? Or they just haven't properly loaded on my browser. In any case, false alarm.
2014/11/12 00:02:45
Subject: Re:My Blue Table Painting Experience with Chaos Dwarves
heartserenade wrote: I think maybe they just disabled comments for a while (and I just happen to catch it at the time)? Or they just haven't properly loaded on my browser. In any case, false alarm.
The comments are still rolling in
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Flippa wrote: If this is what MWG call quality and they're happy to recommend them, I'm so glad I live thousands of miles away and have nothing to do with them. By the way did they really paint lions metallic gold??
[spoiler]
About the metallic gold lions, if thats what the client wanted (which we dont know), then its not really BTPs fault.
Who in their right mind would. Even if they did, how come you didn't mention the client wanting horrific blue on the land raider and wonky lines?? Or the big fat thing (don't know what it is) maybe the client requested it to look like it had been painted by a 5 year old. These are showcase figures for MWG and I highly doubt MWG would want metallic lions or wonky land raiders.
Why can't you admit it's shoddy work?
In regards to the metallic lions - I had somebody request exactly that for a Grenadier Amazon chariot, back in the nineties.
It is silly, it looks like crap, but it is what the client wanted.
Stupid happens.
The Auld Grump
Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
2014/11/12 01:18:44
Subject: My Blue Table Painting Experience with Chaos Dwarves
Just had a look at the gallery ending of the "promotional video" and nearly fell out of my chair laughing. The Elf and Menoth Warjack and [insert random chapter] Space marines are worthy of an award for failure to put on neat smooth paint. The gold chariot, gold Elf and gold lions is hilarious but that could have been what the client wanted, though you have to ask WHY?
The Tau have got to be the epitome of paint by numbers, they even have the lines for you keep inside and BTP couldn't even do that, slops all over it and very little highlighting other than from the bad photography and drybrushing everywhere. And OH! the photography, blurred out of focus shots all over the place with bad lighting and composition. Some of the paint jobs look OK while the camera pans over the picture but I'd advise potential (pun intended) customers to pause each shot and have good look first.
So after all this bigging up by MWG this is what a showcase of BTP quality is? A blind man could see they are not up to the task, if you were in PR and you turned this in for a client you'd be fired on the spot a classic own goal if ever I saw one.
2014/11/12 01:20:12
Subject: My Blue Table Painting Experience with Chaos Dwarves
heartserenade wrote: I think maybe they just disabled comments for a while (and I just happen to catch it at the time)? Or they just haven't properly loaded on my browser. In any case, false alarm.
The comments are still rolling in
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it seems all complaints about BTP eventually get closed or deleted :( which is sad and the reason i didnt know beforehand
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Really Quick - I saw that one man posted on the MWG video that he has had countless things painted by BTP, and that he had videos. So me, being my curious self, decided to visit said videos and observe them for educational purposes.
Folks - I present to you what level 4 BTP painting can get you... I do feel sorry for this person because he thinks this is what constitutes a LvL 4 paint job - I wish he had gone with a more reputable one so that he can see the light.
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2014/11/12 02:27:17
Subject: My Blue Table Painting Experience with Chaos Dwarves
fidel wrote: Really Quick - I saw that one man posted on the MWG video that he has had countless things painted by BTP, and that he had videos. So me, being my curious self, decided to visit said videos and observe them for educational purposes.
Folks - I present to you what level 4 BTP painting can get you... I do feel sorry for this person because he thinks this is what constitutes a LvL 4 paint job - I wish he had gone with a more reputable one so that he can see the light.
I saw that he called me a shill, if only he understood irony
Stormwall wrote: You're whiteknighting for a snake oil salesman who blatantly rips off kickstarters, customers, and his own employees.
Ugh, I hate to say this, but as a point of order, did they actually 'rip off' Kickstarter?
From the looks of it here, the campaign didn't fund, which means they didn't get any money pledged by backers.
Which isn't to say that they might not have been trying, or misled people during it, I don't know, I'm merely going on what has been said about that project in the course of this discussion, which has been less than favourable, but since it didn't fund they didn't get any of the money, which means they didn't actually 'rip off' anyone there, correct?
Not for lack of trying perhaps, but at the end of the day, zero money changed hands for that campaign by the looks of it. Though someone said that they claimed to have found another form of revenue/income, but the last updates to it aren't showing anything about that.
Again, not trying to defend them or their actions. Merely pointing out that we should note what they've actually done, and it doesn't seem like the KS campaign got them the money they sought from those backers.
I'm sorry but, didn't a whole lot of people endup sending their money to them privately after the kickstarter failed and flocked to their facebook to show support? So doesn't that kinda count? Also, when I said kickstarter I should have clarified I meant both the failed campaign they got to milk donations from and the indiegogo where you spend 1200$ to get business advice from Shawn. I am probably in the wrong, when I wrote that I hadn't had my coffee yet. I meant it is a rip off not that they had yet. The rest of the stuff I still stand by thought, shotty treatment of employees, and people like Ten who invest a antique car or house renovation into his company.
Trolls tend to come out when someone is trying to do the right thing, I feel we are all responsible.
Speaking of which, weren't there a few in this thread? You know who you are you chisling galoots.
I'm sorry I catch on fire each time I step outside from my bridge. Your threads are so lovely. In all seriousness I am going to go check the Warseer thread but, should I even bother? What is different about it? Is it basically the same thing as this one?
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Orks! ~28000
Chaos Dwarfs ~9000
Slaanesh ~14700
In all seriousness I am going to go check the Warseer thread but, should I even bother? What is different about it? Is it basically the same thing as this one?
