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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5UNMvldCmA no offence too the girl in the video but you are doing it wrong pro tip BLUE TAPE don't pull paint masking tape will i would hope any pro miniature painting service would know that by now but maybe my standards are too high /shrug

flabluker - Come on now. Give them points for at least masking instead of trying to drybrush the design.

Blue tape costs so much more than masking tape.

Anyone else have an issue with the napkins being used on the mask? Doesn't the texture of the paper affect the surface tension of the paint, isn't this just a soft way of sanding?

 techsoldaten wrote:
flabluker - Come on now. Give them points for at least masking instead of trying to drybrush the design.

Blue tape costs so much more than masking tape.

Anyone else have an issue with the napkins being used on the mask? Doesn't the texture of the paper affect the surface tension of the paint, isn't this just a soft way of sanding?

yeah guess i am nit picking at this point just drives me nuts too see masking tape used blue tape costs more in cash but masking tape cost more in time 2 pts for masking and those napkins are top notch masking napkins right there

 flabluker wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5UNMvldCmA no offence too the girl in the video but you are doing it wrong pro tip BLUE TAPE don't pull paint masking tape will i would hope any pro miniature painting service would know that by now but maybe my standards are too high /shrug

I use the white stuff, on a glossed surface it's never bothered me and on a surface I'm worried about, I'll just stick it to something else first and then pull it up to reduce the tack before putting it on the model itself. I've been using the white stuff when cutting complicated shapes because I can just stick it to my cutting board, cut the shape in to it, then when I pull it up to attach to the model the tack has sufficiently reduced but not so much that it doesn't stick at all.

There's a difference between what they can paint theoretically and what they can paint under time pressure and many commissions.

Some models are alot more forgiving than others, so maybe a basic necron, an orc, a clanrat. a dark tactical marine they could do.

"I'm almost positive you didn't get 700 back from Blue Table Painting, a miniature Painting service, so feel free to correct the figures"

The commission itself is about 1170 USD. so 590 about.

I know that's about 400 USD more than Blue table painting deserve for that job. And I'm not happy about that, but the initial payment was beyond paypal's 180 day coverage and can't be refunded. The other option would have been small claims court, but I just want to fix these models and move on instead of chasing 370 dollars as SC court expenses is about 130USD in the UK i believe..

I haven't needed to strip any yet besides a few faces and a few noses. They've required just careful, thin applications of paint and some pride which is what they should have had to begin with , actual painting! Hope to get clearer pictures soon. However a few just from lookin at them, clearly need stripping of the total model.

TBM wrote:
There's a difference between what they can paint theoretically and what they can paint under time pressure and many commissions.

Some models are alot more forgiving than others, so maybe a basic necron, an orc, a clanrat. a dark tactical marine they could do.

I tend to think when a project comes in that's a higher level they often just speed paint it like everything else instead of actually putting in the time for which the customer paid. When someone pays as much as Tenebre did, it deserves 2 to 3 months of full time work (not playing video games or procrastinating throughout the day) but it looks like it was done in a week or two.

 flabluker wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5UNMvldCmA no offence too the girl in the video but you are doing it wrong pro tip BLUE TAPE don't pull paint masking tape will i would hope any pro miniature painting service would know that by now but maybe my standards are too high /shrug

What's blue masking tape? I use Tamiya masking tape, and even that can lift paint or leave a ragged edge sometimes. Have to take care.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:

 flabluker wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5UNMvldCmA no offence too the girl in the video but you are doing it wrong pro tip BLUE TAPE don't pull paint masking tape will i would hope any pro miniature painting service would know that by now but maybe my standards are too high /shrug

What's blue masking tape? I use Tamiya masking tape, and even that can lift paint or leave a ragged edge sometimes. Have to take care.

Blue masking tape is called "painters tape", though there's actually a whole heap of varieties of painters tape that comes in different colours from different manufacturers and different ratings often come in different colours. Blue is just one of the more common Scotch brand varieties of painters tape.

I actually haven't tried blue painters tape on my models, I've used it at work for plenty of other things, but at home I already have rolls of the white stuff and it works fine for me so I've just stuck with it.

Another video showing blue table painting quality control where the customer gets attention and making sure it moves forward. Oh and you get to see the grade A photo booth that this miniature painting service uses.

 Ustrello wrote:
Another video showing blue table painting quality control where the customer gets attention and making sure it moves forward. Oh and you get to see the grade A photo booth that this miniature painting service uses.

Why does this dude have to mention his D&D campaign in every freakin' video ? #no1cares


Also, while i understand how Alaitoc is pronounced, his accent pronouncing it makes me want to punch kittens with pit bulls tied to my fists.


Finally, if all his employees aren't dressed with the "Oh, the boss is here... try to look happy to see him!" smiles, then i've never seen a disingenuous smile in my entire life !

I get the impression that all these videos are all damage control.

Talking about the "project sheet" thats lets them know "out of thin air" where every single project is at to "keep them moving forwards" and in the previous one, "I was talking to the client on the phone".

It all sounds so forced and scripted, like its a deliberate attempt to disprove Tenebre's complaints. None of it seems genuine, they always seem so uncomfortable and awkward.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I get the impression that all these videos are all damage control.

Talking about the "project sheet" thats lets them know "out of thin air" where every single project is at to "keep them moving forwards" and in the previous one, "I was talking to the client on the phone".

It all sounds so forced and scripted, like its a deliberate attempt to disprove Tenebre's complaints. None of it seems genuine, they always seem so uncomfortable and awkward.

But they are empty and soulless, and few of the people featured in the videos appear to be working. This is not the place you want to trust with your money.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I get the impression that all these videos are all damage control.

Talking about the "project sheet" thats lets them know "out of thin air" where every single project is at to "keep them moving forwards" and in the previous one, "I was talking to the client on the phone".

It all sounds so forced and scripted, like its a deliberate attempt to disprove Tenebre's complaints. None of it seems genuine, they always seem so uncomfortable and awkward.

Here is the question, would they actually be able to use this or lets say M0f's thread in court?

 Ustrello wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I get the impression that all these videos are all damage control.

Talking about the "project sheet" thats lets them know "out of thin air" where every single project is at to "keep them moving forwards" and in the previous one, "I was talking to the client on the phone".

It all sounds so forced and scripted, like its a deliberate attempt to disprove Tenebre's complaints. None of it seems genuine, they always seem so uncomfortable and awkward.

Here is the question, would they actually be able to use this or lets say M0f's thread in court?

Probably not, but I suspect that wouldn't stop them trying.

 Ustrello wrote:
Another video showing blue table painting quality control where the customer gets attention and making sure it moves forward. Oh and you get to see the grade A photo booth that this miniature painting service uses.

Wait, wait, they made a nice photobox so you can use the cloth on the sides/top to diffuse the light comming through it and they hang the lights inside the box? I'm lost for words....

Where in the video is the photo booth? I really don't want to watch the whole thing to find it It amazes me how people do watch their videos, I watch about 30 seconds and then wonder why I'm wasting my time watching their video

Its just around the 1.40 mark

Surprisingly those Terminators dont look all that bad, although hard to tell from the crappy camera work, but it looks like some decent blending. I would hate to think what level they call that though.

 Ustrello wrote:
Another video showing blue table painting quality control where the customer gets attention and making sure it moves forward. Oh and you get to see the grade A photo booth that this miniature painting service uses.

Yeah, those terminators actually looked pretty good, I might actually be stealing some ideas, LOL.

Although, is it just me, or do I really feel like it's a chore to listen to this guy talk?

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:
Another video showing blue table painting quality control where the customer gets attention and making sure it moves forward. Oh and you get to see the grade A photo booth that this miniature painting service uses.

Yeah, those terminators actually looked pretty good, I might actually be stealing some ideas, LOL.

Although, is it just me, or do I really feel like it's a chore to listen to this guy talk?

It is in no way, shape, form, or fashion just you.

OH AND THIS IS FOR MY D&D CAMPAIGN, WHICH I"M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT.... I HAVEN'T MENTIONED THIS IN 34 SECONDS, SO IT WAS WELL OVERDUE FOR A PLUG! LETS GO SEE ANOTHER EMPLOYEE WHO WISHES TO GOD I WAS ANYONE ELSE WALKING TOWARDS THEM!

Seems like he fired Shannon, too: https://www.facebook.com/ShawnGately/posts/10152560254710197

Allen Smith Is Shannon gone?
December 13 at 6:31am

Shawn Gately Yes.
December 13 at 6:58am

Allen Smith Nooooo!
December 13 at 9:21am

Shawn Gately I don't want to talk about it.
December 13 at 1:32pm

Spunky Staines nooooooooo!!! first sarah now shannon
December 15 at 8:57am

So...who are Sarah and Shannon, and is there an actual story here?

I don't know who they are, but those are big hints that the rate of change of employees in Blue Table Painting is pretty high, and usually if a company treats its employees well they tend to stay.

And the fact that he doesn't want to talk about it makes me feel that she didn't leave in good graces.

 Alpharius wrote:

Allen Smith Is Shannon gone?
December 13 at 6:31am

Shawn Gately Yes.
December 13 at 6:58am

Allen Smith Nooooo!
December 13 at 9:21am

Shawn Gately I don't want to talk about it.
December 13 at 1:32pm

Spunky Staines nooooooooo!!! first sarah now shannon
December 15 at 8:57am

So...who are Sarah and Shannon, and is there an actual story here?

Not 100% certain on sarah, but Shannon was an employee of Blue Table Painting, a miniature painting service.

I have never had dealings with the company or its personnel, but i've read nearly everything about them that i can find on the internet, and watched almost everything on youtube. By most accounts she was a super nice person and was approachable, honest, and was who several ex-employees thought should have been running the business. That is not my conjecture, this is based on comments by TWO ex painters that commented on blue table painting related you tube videos (one by the Center for Sustainability in reaction to Tenebre's videos, and i cannot quite recall the other one). Regardless, i've never read nor watched a single negative comment about Shannon. (yes i realize that two such comments and from ex employees is fairly biased, but taken from the lens that at this point its getting harder and harder to find ANYTHING positive in relation to BTP, and two independant people saying basically the same positive thing about the same person is about all the corroboration we're going to get I think).


I believe Sarah is also an ex-employee, but i'm less clear on that and could be mistaken.

 Alpharius wrote:

Allen Smith Is Shannon gone?
December 13 at 6:31am

Shawn Gately Yes.
December 13 at 6:58am

Allen Smith Nooooo!
December 13 at 9:21am

Shawn Gately I don't want to talk about it.
December 13 at 1:32pm

Spunky Staines nooooooooo!!! first sarah now shannon
December 15 at 8:57am

So...who are Sarah and Shannon, and is there an actual story here?

Shannon was the most recent of Shawn's 'favorite girls', there's usually a lady in the staff who he gives more airtime to in his videos, presents alongside in 'morning shows' etc. They are, I think, promoted in some way to a more senior position. Sarah was her predecessor and was on camera for a long time, seemed like a nice lady, also disappeared one day without reference or mention ever again.

My personal favorite of these was Angela, the Warmachine player, from back in 07/08, but there have been several. Shawn understands that showing women is better for the videos, audience etc and does seem to favor them in talking/joking with etc, rarely giving the guys in his teams much airtime with the exception for many years of his sidekick and butt of his jokes, Renn.

I do recall a while back an anonymous poster here claiming to be an ex employee referring to these ladies as Shawn's 'wifelets' in his 'compound', which, I hope, is a lot less sinister than it sounds.

They do seem to suddenly vanish however, and there's no 'this is #'s last show, she's moving onto # and we wish her all the best in the world', instead they're just gone and there's no discussion about it or even reference to these people ever again. I imagine, according to the cultish mantra's of his business guru, that once someone leaves the Blue Table Miniature Painting Service, they are dead to Shawn and forbidden to speak to or interact with anyone still 'on the inside'.

Anyone for koolaid?

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I do recall a while back an anonymous poster here claiming to be an ex employee referring to these ladies as Shawn's 'wifelets' in his 'compound', which, I hope, is a lot less sinister than it sounds.

Anyone for koolaid?

Dang, how long before he also starts adopting a religious title?

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I do recall a while back an anonymous poster here claiming to be an ex employee referring to these ladies as Shawn's 'wifelets' in his 'compound'...

They do seem to suddenly vanish however...

Yeah, that doesn't sound creepy at all

 BrookM wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I do recall a while back an anonymous poster here claiming to be an ex employee referring to these ladies as Shawn's 'wifelets' in his 'compound', which, I hope, is a lot less sinister than it sounds.

Anyone for koolaid?

Dang, how long before he also starts adopting a religious title?

Ok, less then stellar business practices aside, are these types of personal attacks really necessary?

I've corresponded with the guy several times, and he's never struck me as anything but a good person. A very good friend of mine has spent several of his Valhalla retreats with him as well, and agrees that he's a great person.

These types of attacks are just childish at this point.

 heartserenade wrote:
I don't know who they are, but those are big hints that the rate of change of employees in Blue Table Painting is pretty high, and usually if a company treats its employees well they tend to stay.

And the fact that he doesn't want to talk about it makes me feel that she didn't leave in good graces.

To be fair, it's pretty normal to not want to talk with the public about why someone left the company - there's no reason to badmouth someone you just fired, and there's no reason to publicize someone's personal choice (without permission).

But yes, I also feel that Blue Table Painting's turnover is pretty high, based on a few threads we've had on the site throughout the years.

It's pretty normal, but there are a lot of ways to answer the question without sounding like there's bad blood between you. Because showing bad blood is bad for your company's image, and saying you don't want to talk about it is the worst way of avoiding the question.

"Shannon has left Blue Table Painting and we wish her well on her new endeavour!" is one way of saying it.



With regards to Shawn, I personally do feel uncomfortable with the way he presents himself on video, even back when I didn't know the shenanigans of Blue Table Painting. Of course, I'm not saying he's certainly a bad person because I don't know him personally but there's something unsettling about him that creeps me out personally.