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Who says blood angels will only be getting one kit release? For all we know the dex and tac squad is week one, Week two could be a updated assault squad. GW like to screw around releases, while the assault squad would be the obvious first thing to release in our eyes means nothing to how GW release their product

As someone who doesn't play Blood Angels, and as someone who would desperately like GW to release "generic" BP/CCW models, a redone Assault Marine box would be really nice. If they included both Jump Packs and normal backpacks it'd help Blood Angels out as well, what with all the discount vehicles and all, no?

One can hope at least.

Motograter wrote:
Who says blood angels will only be getting one kit release? For all we know the dex and tac squad is week one, Week two could be a updated assault squad. GW like to screw around releases, while the assault squad would be the obvious first thing to release in our eyes means nothing to how GW release their product

If you are right I will kiss you. If you are wrong I will kill you.

 Bull0 wrote:

Motograter wrote:
Those are deffo 32mm bases on the tac squad. If it was 25mm like usual their feet would be at the edge

Agreed. As for "Why tacticals", probably because something like 70% of the fighting forces of the Blood Angels are tactical marines. Read your codex

Exactly. Blood angels use a lot of assault marines because their assault squads and companies are always full. Any time they suffer losses, theres a flood of volunteers for jet packs because oftheir love of flight. BA remain a codex compliant chapter.

 th3maninblak wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:

Motograter wrote:
Those are deffo 32mm bases on the tac squad. If it was 25mm like usual their feet would be at the edge

Agreed. As for "Why tacticals", probably because something like 70% of the fighting forces of the Blood Angels are tactical marines. Read your codex

Exactly. Blood angels use a lot of assault marines because their assault squads and companies are always full. Any time they suffer losses, theres a flood of volunteers for jet packs because oftheir love of flight. BA remain a codex compliant chapter.

Yeah, but how many Blood Angels players actually make use of them in the game?

That, and well, they have to give BA players a reason to gravitate towards Tactical Squads as opposed to Assault Squads because the current edition is "shooty".

Otherwise BA players would continue to try to jam a square peg into a round hole with all-Assault armies and then complain how their codex was broken and nerfed and underpowered.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
That, and well, they have to give BA players a reason to gravitate towards Tactical Squads as opposed to Assault Squads because the current edition is "shooty".

Otherwise BA players would continue to try to jam a square peg into a round hole with all-Assault armies and then complain how their codex was broken and nerfed and underpowered.

Some would, anyway. I've always enjoyed success with tactical squads in fast rhinos, disembarking at close range and rapid-firing heretics' faces off. Every time people complain that BA are broken because their all-jump-pack army isn't viable I cringe.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
That, and well, they have to give BA players a reason to gravitate towards Tactical Squads as opposed to Assault Squads because the current edition is "shooty".

Otherwise BA players would continue to try to jam a square peg into a round hole with all-Assault armies and then complain how their codex was broken and nerfed and underpowered.

The Codex IS broken and nerfed and underpowered. Taking Tactical Marines over Assault Marines makes no sense in the current Codex. Grav-weapons and heavy flamers plus a sexy new kit will definitely change it up and help people field Tactical Marines which should be on the table.

Anyone catch on GW site that sanguinary guard, sanguinary priest and DC are no longer there. The new priest has already been announced so that takes care of the old one, but maybe new sanguinary guard and DC boxes?

JuniorRS13 wrote:
Anyone catch on GW site that sanguinary guard, sanguinary priest and DC are no longer there. The new priest has already been announced so that takes care of the old one, but maybe new sanguinary guard and DC boxes?

Probably repacks with the 32mm bases. EDIT: A new Sanguinary Priest is out next week too. No pics yet.

 theharrower wrote:

JuniorRS13 wrote:
Anyone catch on GW site that sanguinary guard, sanguinary priest and DC are no longer there. The new priest has already been announced so that takes care of the old one, but maybe new sanguinary guard and DC boxes?

Probably repacks with the 32mm bases.

Indeed. I'd be absolutely shocked to see the models redone.

 theharrower wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
That, and well, they have to give BA players a reason to gravitate towards Tactical Squads as opposed to Assault Squads because the current edition is "shooty".

Otherwise BA players would continue to try to jam a square peg into a round hole with all-Assault armies and then complain how their codex was broken and nerfed and underpowered.

The Codex IS broken and nerfed and underpowered. Taking Tactical Marines over Assault Marines makes no sense in the current Codex. Grav-weapons and heavy flamers plus a sexy new kit will definitely change it up and help people field Tactical Marines which should be on the table.

Yes. But there's a new one coming. Maybe that's the one I'm talking about. Just maybe.

Trying to make up my mind on the boxed set. Good price, yes, but I dont need it. The small rulebook with the nice cover is the most tempting thing for me.
Seeing the BA release in the near future I think, I will spent my money on codex and other goodies. The tac squad looks sexy and I still need two for my complete company
Holy emperor, those are exciting days.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
That, and well, they have to give BA players a reason to gravitate towards Tactical Squads as opposed to Assault Squads because the current edition is "shooty".

Otherwise BA players would continue to try to jam a square peg into a round hole with all-Assault armies and then complain how their codex was broken and nerfed and underpowered.

Why would you ever use tactical squads? They're one of the worst troop choices in the entire game. If the BA captain gets to keep the "Mounted Assault" and BA gets Grav-weapons, then BA bikers would definitely be the go to unit for being shooty.

Because a well used tactical squad is surprisingly still an effective unit despite being 'One of the worst troop choices' and most people have multiple of them already so they want to use them in games.

 Zewrath wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
That, and well, they have to give BA players a reason to gravitate towards Tactical Squads as opposed to Assault Squads because the current edition is "shooty".

Otherwise BA players would continue to try to jam a square peg into a round hole with all-Assault armies and then complain how their codex was broken and nerfed and underpowered.

Why would you ever use tactical squads? They're one of the worst troop choices in the entire game. If the BA captain gets to keep the "Mounted Assault" and BA gets Grav-weapons, then BA bikers would definitely be the go to unit for being shooty.

Two words. Drop pods. These heavy flamer and flamer tac squads are perfect for them. Also if assault squads don't change put double melta assault squads in drop pods as well. Guess what else goes in drop pods? Furiosos... with frag cannons and either MORE meltas or MORE heavy flamers.

Here's 2000 pt list off top of my head (at current point values).

HQ: Mephiston/Sanguinor whichever one ends up being better

Elite: Fragioso Melta Drop pod
Elite: Fragioso Melta Drop pod
Elite: Fragioso Melta Drop pod

Troop: 10 Man Tac Squad Heavy Flamer and Flamer
Troop: 10 Man Tac Squad Heavy Flamer and Flamer
Troop: 10 Man Tac Squad Heavy Flamer and Flamer
Troop: 10 Man Tac Squad Heavy Flamer and Flamer
Troop: 10 Man Assault Squad 2 Melta Meltabomb SGT
Troop: 10 Man Assault Squad 2 Melta Meltabomb SGT

Choose what comes down first depending on what you're up against. Has 12 Obj secured units on the table, 3 armor 13 dreads, and your choice of beat stick character.

Congratulations Blood Angels just became the best drop pod army in the game.

 Johnson101 wrote:
Because a well used tactical squad is surprisingly still an effective unit despite being 'One of the worst troop choices' and most people have multiple of them already so they want to use them in games.

Define well used. Sitting in a metal box while that 1 guy with the plasma shoots out the hatch? The entire squad goes full dakka in close, after arriving from a drop pod and then immediately gets wiped the ensuing turn? That 1 guy and the sergeant with the combi-weapon uses their 1 melta-shot while the rest of the squad looks passively, after arriving from a drop pod and then immediately gets wiped the ensuing turn?
That 1 guy with the lascanon sitting in the back, while the others looks impotently?

crukks wrote:

HQ: Mephiston/Sanguinor whichever one ends up being better

Elite: Fragioso Melta Drop pod
Elite: Fragioso Melta Drop pod
Elite: Fragioso Melta Drop pod

Troop: 10 Man Tac Squad Heavy Flamer and Flamer
Troop: 10 Man Tac Squad Heavy Flamer and Flamer
Troop: 10 Man Tac Squad Heavy Flamer and Flamer
Troop: 10 Man Tac Squad Heavy Flamer and Flamer
Troop: 10 Man Assault Squad 2 Melta Meltabomb SGT
Troop: 10 Man Assault Squad 2 Melta Meltabomb SGT

Congratulations Blood Angels just became the best drop pod army in the game.

Other than the 4 heavy flamers on the tactical squads, there's nothing stopping you from doing that exact army NOW.....and no one does. 4 Heavy flamers isn't going to make this list viable, and saving ~60-80 points on ASM and tactical boys after the adjustment won't do it either.

Tactical squads aren't good and the primary reason to play using the BA codex is ASM troops. How good or bad this codex will be will largely depend on how many and how good the buffs are on the ASM squads, not what new weapons tactical squads get.

 uk_crow wrote:
Is that a new heavy bolter underneath the knight in the background, looks similar to sternguard one but the marine is painted like a standard tactical/devastator. Potentially new devastators or included in the tactical squad kit?

Not a devastator. Red helmet.

yeah,
to the eye it's hard to say that these are definitely +7mm bigger bases.
Is it possible that these guys are slightly bigger than previous marines and this is the first stage of GW true scaling marines?


Panic...

Panic, I would personally be surprised if they were up-scaled marines since their weapons are still proportionally the same. That would make for some mighty big boltguns!

For those with the current Death Company marines (my BA are all old 2nd and 3rd ed metals), are the marines shown above just the same pieces? I see alot of familiar things and I don't know if they just reused the 3d models for a new sprue.

It really just looks like digital assets being reused. Like I said before, copy/paste = new kit.

It looks like the respirator head got some hair and there's new more knight like helms. Maybe they've thrown in some other bits and pieces from the DC and SG kits. That might just be kitbashing.

 Sidstyler wrote:
It really just looks like digital assets being reused. Like I said before, copy/paste = new kit.

I would think less of them if they didn't reuse stuff when it makes sense. I really hope this new kit comes with a few Inferno Pistols and Hand Flamers that don't have Death Company arms attached.

Fine. I am on board with the new BA Tactical Squad. Are you happy?

Good thing I didn't start back on my Flesh Tearers. Didn't expect a new tact box.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Fine. I am on board with the new BA Tactical Squad. Are you happy?

Pfft, I don't care. I'm just trolling all the BA players who were whining so hard about how GW had forsaken them (even though once again, the four year wait time is below average and nowhere near as long as most xenos players have to wait between updates with armies that barely work anymore), that are seemingly now turning their noses up at all the unexpected attention because it's not what they were expecting, or "deserved". First the captain wasn't "special" enough...not even a bad model, just not the level of bling people were expecting...and then there's this.

To be perfectly honest I actually laughed when I saw the picture of a red-armored tactical squad instead of new assault Marines, because I knew there was going to be so much hate. I'm surprised there isn't more, actually, I figured that alone would be enough to have people putting their armies up for sale in tearful, barely-contained rage. "omg, four years and GW gives us TACTICAL MARINES?! FETH GW!"

I'm pretty damn sure this isn't going to be the only kit they release, though...but then again you never know, the next couple weeks might see the release of the codex and then a couple of plastic character clampacks and that's it. GW isn't exactly very predictable with this kind of thing anymore, Grey Knights didn't get any new models if I'm not mistaken, and the DE release was pretty light on kits too, to be honest. I'm going to laugh so hard if there isn't a new assault Marine kit, sorry to all the Marine players out there who aren't a-holes but that would be so beautiful.

Im just happy to be getting new stuff. I honestly wasnt expecting any new kits, so a new terminator captain and a new tac squad is, though not ideal, fine in my book. The cap looks cool, and the new tac squad will be worth it if only for the bits. If they can take flamer+combi flamer+heavy flamer, pod those dudes up and go to down.

I play a tac squad or two most games, having one that's BA specific without needing to use my DC boxes has me super happy honestly. Now I can use the DC boxes for assault marines instead.

-ing Death Company Terminators! I know this is a pretty big change in fluff, but if it's true I can't wait to see the look on my opponents faces when they hit the table.

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Blood angels terminator kit
Dual kit
First build is honour guard/ regular ba terminator with ornamentation similar to the da kit.

Second build is death company terminator with rather large chainfists and what appears to be souped up storm bolters/gatling cannons