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Oh my apologies, I completely misread transfixing gaze.

So yeah, I've heard a couple times that Dante gets 2 traits. Izzat true?

niv-mizzet wrote:
So yeah, I've heard a couple times that Dante gets 2 traits. Izzat true?

Hey get his static trait (Descent of Angels) and if your are playing a tactical objective game he get to roll on that table in addition to his static trait.

Is the Reclusiarch gone?

Also, is there a Master of the Forge now or still just techmarines? Are the techmarines still elites?

 Mulletdude wrote:
Is the Reclusiarch gone?

Also, is there a Master of the Forge now or still just techmarines? Are the techmarines still elites?

No reclusiarch
Techmarine is part of the crowded HQ section.

Last question for me I think:

Did they change the god awful rules for glave encarmines?

Other than Seth and Dante do they have any other 3 wound HQs?

Can Death Company Tycho join the Death Company now?

Ok so for real, Dante is apparently just insanely powerful now. Ive always loved his fluff, and thought his rules were really cool (used him all the time), but unless he's close to 275 ish he seems almost TOO powerful.

Great news my "Honor Guard" is back

IIRC he is 2.2 thunderfire cannons. He's rock solid.

Twinner is melta guns available to AM still?
How many thunder fire cannons is the DC dread? 1.25 or more?
How many thunderfire cannons are frag cannons? .20 or more?

 th3maninblak wrote:
Ok so for real, Dante is apparently just insanely powerful now. Ive always loved his fluff, and thought his rules were really cool (used him all the time), but unless he's close to 275 ish he seems almost TOO powerful.

Eh. Can still die to 4 lasgun shots. The clan Raukaan dude can still mess him up, as can mind shackle scarabs. I don't know some of the other top tiers by heart and don't own their books, but he's probably about middle-of-the-pack duelist until you start trying to do hit and runs in the calculations of 1 on 1's.

A carnifex can technically die to 4 lasgun shots too, so can Lysander, any T6 and below W4 model can in theory. That doesn't mean it's ever going to happen.

Mindshackle scarabs also mess everything up.

niv-mizzet wrote:

 th3maninblak wrote:
Ok so for real, Dante is apparently just insanely powerful now. Ive always loved his fluff, and thought his rules were really cool (used him all the time), but unless he's close to 275 ish he seems almost TOO powerful.

Eh. Can still die to 4 lasgun shots. The clan Raukaan dude can still mess him up, as can mind shackle scarabs. I don't know some of the other top tiers by heart and don't own their books, but he's probably about middle-of-the-pack duelist until you start trying to do hit and runs in the calculations of 1 on 1's.

Except he still has a 2+/4++, and will probably have feel no pain. And has eternal warrior. And has 4 wounds. And if hes taken in the special blood angels force org he has 6 attacks (7 with a chapter banner) attacks on the charge at ws7 str7 init 7 ap2. And his rules and warlord trait make him over the top.

So yeah, I would say hes top tier.

niv-mizzet wrote:


Eh. Can still die to 4 lasgun shots.

And a Wraithknight can die to a pair of heavy bolters. They're still really, really good.

niv-mizzet wrote:

The clan Raukaan dude can still mess him up, as can mind shackle scarabs. I don't know some of the other top tiers by heart and don't own their books, but he's probably about middle-of-the-pack duelist until you start trying to do hit and runs in the calculations of 1 on 1's.

Just because he isn't the bestest evar in assault doesn't mean that a powerful combat character for a reasonable price isn't useful. Otherwise, Draigo and the bike Chapter Master would be the only non-support HQ anyone ever ran.

 lobbywatson wrote:
IIRC he is 2.2 thunderfire cannons. He's rock solid.

Twinner is melta guns available to AM still?
How many thunder fire cannons is the DC dread? 1.25 or more?
How many thunderfire cannons are frag cannons? .20 or more?

I didn't know Thunderfire cannons were a unit of measurement now. Would it be fair to say that a 100,000,000 point army could also be expressed as a 1.0 MTFC (Or, a 1.0X10^9 Thunderfire cannons) army?

Thunderfire cannons are a fairly simple unit of measurement that dodge the mod rules on forums. Got the idea from frontlinegaming =)

 DarkLink wrote:

niv-mizzet wrote:


Eh. Can still die to 4 lasgun shots.

And a Wraithknight can die to a pair of heavy bolters. They're still really, really good.

niv-mizzet wrote:

The clan Raukaan dude can still mess him up, as can mind shackle scarabs. I don't know some of the other top tiers by heart and don't own their books, but he's probably about middle-of-the-pack duelist until you start trying to do hit and runs in the calculations of 1 on 1's.

Just because he isn't the bestest evar in assault doesn't mean that a powerful combat character for a reasonable price isn't useful. Otherwise, Draigo and the bike Chapter Master would be the only non-support HQ anyone ever ran.

I never said he wasn't. I think he's great. I was just responding to the guy who was saying that he was over the top bestest ever broken.
When I said middle of the pack duelist, I was inferring middle of the pack IN the top tier, not the entire game.

I'm actually interested in a math hammer matchup between his new incarnation and some of the other duelists while abusing his hit and run plus pistol shot every other turn.

My point about the lasguns is that if he tries to tank, 2 tac squads of bolter fire will still drop him just like the old version. He's only as durable as about 160 points of terminators. He needs backup like ablative wounds and a priest nearby, and then you just approach Death Star status. (And cost.)

warpspider89 wrote:Last question for me I think:

Did they change the god awful rules for glave encarmines?

Not familiar with what you are referring to. Sorry this is my frist time using BA.

2x210 wrote:Other than Seth and Dante do they have any other 3 wound HQs?

Captain, Both Tychos, Lib Dread has 3 HP, Mephiton, Then Sanguinor, Astorath, Brother Corbulo

Smacks wrote:Can Death Company Tycho join the Death Company now?

That is the only thing he can join.

th3maninblak wrote:Ok so for real, Dante is apparently just insanely powerful now. Ive always loved his fluff, and thought his rules were really cool (used him all the time), but unless he's close to 275 ish he seems almost TOO powerful.

2.2 Thunderfire cannons (Mods if this isn't allow please say, as other are posting so it seems it is.

lobbywatson wrote:IIRC he is 2.2 thunderfire cannons. He's rock solid.

Twinner is melta guns available to AM still?
How many thunder fire cannons is the DC dread? 1.25 or more?
How many thunderfire cannons are frag cannons? .20 or more?

2 Melta per sqaud, and a combi if you want.
DC is Exactly what you posted.
Frag cannon is 1/20th a Thunderfire

Can a Sanguinary Priest count as your warlord?

How many wounds does a sanguinary priest have now that it is an HQ?

Can Sanguinary Priests take relics?

Can Libby dreads take relics?

Can Libby Dreads be your warlord?

Does the Storm Raven still have bloodstrike missiles or have they changed to the AP2 missiles that the space marine codex has.

Thanks!

Since BA are very Codex Adherent (like everyone is rubbing in our face about the loss of Troops ASM), does this mean our Captains change Bikes from FA to troops if they are bike mounted? Does the rule work for Jumppacks/Assault Marines?

Seems it would work since we are so "Codex adherent" *add overly needed sarcasm*

So let me get this straight, he has a sick warlord trait, with the possibility of 2, a melta gun in pistol form, eternal warrior, a str6 ap2 at initiative weapon, artificer armor, a 6 inch fear bubble, a jump pack... am i missing anything?

For 2.20 thunderfire cannons. Holy crap.

Nobody is rubbing anyone's faces in anything.

The internet is awash with BA tears that their troops section has been bought in line with the rest of the game.

MarsNZ wrote:
Nobody is rubbing anyone's faces in anything.

The internet is awash with BA tears that their troops section has been bought in line with the rest of the game.

Don't feed the troll.

Logan774 wrote:

MarsNZ wrote:
Nobody is rubbing anyone's faces in anything.

The internet is awash with BA tears that their troops section has been bought in line with the rest of the game.

Don't feed the troll.

Just realized I was indeed trolling a little, Sorry about that.

Honestly want to know if Captains would give us troop bikes, it's my favorite part about Codex:Space marine.

I doubt it since they specifically try to stay clear of what makes codex space marines unique :/

twinner wrote:

warpspider89 wrote:Last question for me I think:

Did they change the god awful rules for glave encarmines?

Not familiar with what you are referring to. Sorry this is my frist time using BA.

They are the weapons for sanguinary guard. They were two-handed power swords or axes last edition with the two-handed rule.

Are the assault marines priced the same as the normal codex marines assault marines?

Coyote81 wrote:Honestly want to know if Captains would give us troop bikes, it's my favorite part about Codex:Space marine.

Keep in mind that Codex: Space Marines is still a product of the previous edition. I wouldn't be surprised that the next version removes the Bike troops option as well.

warpspider89 wrote:They are the weapons for sanguinary guard. They were two-handed power swords or axes last edition with the two-handed rule.

He already answered that on the first page; they're two-handed master-crafted power swords/axes.

My list will be:

1x Astorath
2x Scout Squads – w/ Cloaks, Snipers, Missile
2x Death Company – w/ 10 Guys, Jump Packs, 3x Power Fists
2x Assault Squad – w/ 10 guys, 2x Meltas, 1x Power Fist
3x Baal Predators – w/ Heavy Bolters
1x Dante

Total : 2000 Exactly.

Please explain why this will be your list.