Release of the movie "The Interview" derailed because of threats

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**dogma**

whembly wrote:

"gain is improbable" is purely subjective.

No, it isn't. Whether or not gain is probable can be determined according to objective means, especially where money is involved.

whembly wrote:

Are we really going to be bullied by a dude who allegedly overdosed on cheese?

Are all US citizens now decision makers at SPE and Paramount?

**AlexHolker**

dogma wrote:
AlexHolker wrote:

The gain is not handing the keys to your entire industry to every troll with an internet connection.

That's hyperbolic nonsense. SPE and Paramount don't have the keys to the industry, and even if they did their actions don't constitute giving them away.

They have the keys to 20% of the industry, and another 58% is in the hands of just four other companies which haven't proven themselves trustworthy, they just haven't been tested yet. If they are willing to swallow multi-million dollar losses and sink finished movies to appease people who make terroristic threats, that's more authority than they'd give most of their own management.

**d-usa**

Based on early reviews this might have been the best thing to happen to the movie...

**whembly**

d-usa wrote:
I'm saying that "haha, their leader almost OD'd on cheese" is a stupid argument to make when our leader almost died by choking to death on a pretzel in the White House.

OH!

I gotcha... fair enough.

**Fafnir**

The decisions of Sony and Paramount probably have more to do with being worried about exposure of documents relating to some shady Hollywood accounting than any actual violent threats.

**wufai**

I don't understanding the reasoning most of you forum members are making, has anyone ever considered how offensive 'the interview' is to the people of North Korea? This movie should never had been made in the first place!

For those who do not know, the movie is about 2 american clowns going to North Korea doing dumb don't bypass the language filter like this. reds8n and killing their leader. It is not a fantasy or historic movie, the time and setting decipt current events. How can you not expect the North Korean leader to be pissed?

Also in case people are behind the news. NK's current leader Kim Jong-un is known to be even more ruthless than his dad and prone to make rash decisions. Why in God's name would Sony America want to provoke such a person? All behind the American values of freedom of speech?

I do not believe in bending over from terrorist threats, but to be the provoker to terrorist threats will gain no sympathy from me.

Can you envision a future where "American previals WW3 over North Korea! Our western seaboard was lost to premetive nuclear strike from NK, millions of lives were lost, but the war is won and NK now embraces the American lifestyle with the removal of their dicatorship. God bless the movie 'The Interview', the trigger to WW3..."

**timetowaste85**

America, feth yeah!! So lick my butt and suck on my balls!!

Part two, apparently. Is Kim Jong Un another disgusting insect in a puppet like his father? Or just a fat feth who dies by explosion? Movie or real life, I'm not picky with my questions.

**Nostromodamus**

wufai wrote:
For those who do not know, the movie is about 2 american clowns going to North Korea doing dumb language Reds8n and killing their leader. It is not a fantasy

I almost stopped at this quite amazing revelation, but I'm glad that I carried on to see how batgak crazy it got so I could see this absolute gem...

wufai wrote:
God bless the movie 'The Interview', the trigger to WW3..."

...

But to be serious for a moment:

wufai wrote:
has anyone ever considered how offensive 'the interview' is to the people of North Korea?

I doubt "the people" of North Korea have any idea it's a thing, they're too busy trying to scrape together enough food so they don't starve to death. It's the guy who just had to have surgery due to eating too much cheese that is pissed off, and to be quite honest, feth that guy.

**Jihadin**

timetowaste85 wrote:
America, feth yeah!! So lick my butt and suck on my Swhelty balls!!

Part two, apparently. Is Kim Jong Un another disgusting insect in a puppet like his father? Or just a fat feth who dies by explosion? Movie or real life, I'm not picky with my questions.

Edited for the minors and those SNL fans

**Ahtman**

Did you see the way the movie was dressed? It was asking for it I tells ya, just asking for it.

**Ouze**

Ahtman wrote:
Did you see the way the movie was dressed? It was asking for it I tells ya, just asking for it.

And in that bad neighborhood, at that late hour!

**whembly**

Anyone have more info on that "Guardians of Peace" hacker group?

Is it the fact the NK hired these guys? I still don't get the sense that NK really did the hacking...

I've read anonymous sources stating that it could only be either an inside job or comprised credentials.

Must have plenty of blackmail materials... eh?

**Torga_DW**

Benjamin Franklin wrote: Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

A lot of this has happened lately. The whole thing reminds me of that south park episode where they tried to pull an episode of family guy and were sticking their heads in the sand to avoid the problems.

**hotsauceman1**

Torga_DW wrote:
Benjamin Franklin wrote: Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

A lot of this has happened lately. The whole thing reminds me of that south park episode where they tried to pull an episode of family guy and were sticking their heads in the sand to avoid the problems.

http://techcrunch.com/2014/02/14/how-the-world-butchered-benjamin-franklins-quote-on-liberty-vs-security/

**Relapse**

wufai wrote:
I don't understanding the reasoning most of you forum members are making, has anyone ever considered how offensive 'the interview' is to the people of North Korea? This movie should never had been made in the first place!

For those who do not know, the movie is about 2 american clowns going to North Korea doing dumb don't bypass the language filter like this. reds8n and killing their leader. It is not a fantasy or historic movie, the time and setting decipt current events. How can you not expect the North Korean leader to be pissed?

Also in case people are behind the news. NK's current leader Kim Jong-un is known to be even more ruthless than his dad and prone to make rash decisions. Why in God's name would Sony America want to provoke such a person? All behind the American values of freedom of speech?

I do not believe in bending over from terrorist threats, but to be the provoker to terrorist threats will gain no sympathy from me.

Can you envision a future where "American previals WW3 over North Korea! Our western seaboard was lost to premetive nuclear strike from NK, millions of lives were lost, but the war is won and NK now embraces the American lifestyle with the removal of their dicatorship. God bless the movie 'The Interview', the trigger to WW3..."

So you're saying to sit down and shut up? Be afraid, in our own country, to express an opinion or art that might offend someone? There are a lot of strongly stated opinions and art out there. Which one do we suppress next?

**AduroT**

I like TeeFury.com's shirts for today.

**d-usa**

We need to make more movies FOR NK to get back on their good side...

**PhantomViper**

wufai wrote:
I don't understanding the reasoning most of you forum members are making, has anyone ever considered how offensive 'the interview' is to the people of North Korea? This movie should never had been made in the first place!

For those who do not know, the movie is about 2 american clowns going to North Korea doing dumb don't bypass the language filter like this. reds8n and killing their leader. It is not a fantasy or historic movie, the time and setting decipt current events. How can you not expect the North Korean leader to be pissed?

Also in case people are behind the news. NK's current leader Kim Jong-un is known to be even more ruthless than his dad and prone to make rash decisions. Why in God's name would Sony America want to provoke such a person? All behind the American values of freedom of speech?

I do not believe in bending over from terrorist threats, but to be the provoker to terrorist threats will gain no sympathy from me.

Can you envision a future where "American previals WW3 over North Korea! Our western seaboard was lost to premetive nuclear strike from NK, millions of lives were lost, but the war is won and NK now embraces the American lifestyle with the removal of their dicatorship. God bless the movie 'The Interview', the trigger to WW3..."

There were times when Hollywood studios actually stood up and used humour to fight the worlds greatest evils, now they bow down to the whims of a cheese eating fatso with a god complex...

Does this count as a Godwinn?

**Ouze**

I've been thinking it over - what we can do to respond to this. I don't think we really have a lot of tools in that box. More economic sanctions? Denouncing them? A UN Security Council resolution, which of course China will veto?

I think we should try something different. I wonder about the possibility of flooding the country with internet - tons and tons of uncensored internet. Hundreds of thousands of burner cell phones connecting to pirate transmitters, showing the North Korean people just how badly they're being screwed.

**reds8n**

d-usa wrote:
We need to make more movies FOR NK to get back on their good side...

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/arts-entertainment/for-future-reference-i-like-sexy-vampire-movies-says-kim-jong-un-2014121893969

**Zathras**

whembly wrote:
squidhills wrote:
whembly wrote:

Have a speech at the WH denouncing this cyberattack and reaffirm that Americans are free to do these things.

Or better yet, invite a showing of The Interview at the WhiteHouse!

Oh, well if all you're asking for is symbolic gestures, then yeah.... he probably should do something like that.

*sigh*

It's about being a fething leader.

President Obama needs to call this cyber-attack on Sony studios what it is: A state-sponsored terrorist attack by North Korea upon the United States.

President Obama needs to reaffirm to Sony's Executive and America that we won't be intimidated and to demonstrate some fething spine.

Because Sony’s decision not to release The Interview are both valid and understandable... sure... but they are also unfortunately very cowardly actions.

So when Obama (and rest of the political class) see American livelihoods threatened as the result of an act of war conducted by a foreign power, we must present a strong face against such incursion. For instance, the US will no longer abide diplomatic courtesies, No more nuke negotiation and renew pressures to enact new sanctions.

I think we're getting bitch slapped here... and the bitch slapping won't cease until we get some spine back into the White House.

If Obama calls an attack by a person of the Muslim faith who's screaming Allahu Akbar while he's killing 14 and wounding 32 "work place violence" and not what it really is, do you think he'll call what the Norks have done terrorism?

**hotsauceman1**

wufai wrote:
I don't understanding the reasoning most of you forum members are making, has anyone ever considered how offensive 'the interview' is to the people of North Korea? This movie should never had been made in the first place!

For those who do not know, the movie is about 2 american clowns going to North Korea doing dumb don't bypass the language filter like this. reds8n and killing their leader. It is not a fantasy or historic movie, the time and setting decipt current events. How can you not expect the North Korean leader to be pissed?

Also in case people are behind the news. NK's current leader Kim Jong-un is known to be even more ruthless than his dad and prone to make rash decisions. Why in God's name would Sony America want to provoke such a person? All behind the American values of freedom of speech?

I do not believe in bending over from terrorist threats, but to be the provoker to terrorist threats will gain no sympathy from me.

Can you envision a future where "American previals WW3 over North Korea! Our western seaboard was lost to premetive nuclear strike from NK, millions of lives were lost, but the war is won and NK now embraces the American lifestyle with the removal of their dicatorship. God bless the movie 'The Interview', the trigger to WW3..."

I'm pretty sure any NKorean in the west will be disillusioned with the great something or other and not care

**whembly**

Ouze wrote:
I've been thinking it over - what we can do to respond to this. I don't think we really have a lot of tools in that box. More economic sanctions? Denouncing them? A UN Security Council resolution, which of course China will veto?

I think we should try something different. I wonder about the possibility of flooding the country with internet - tons and tons of uncensored internet. Hundreds of thousands of burner cell phones connecting to pirate transmitters, showing the North Korean people just how badly they're being screwed.

Interesting... we need something to the equivalent of The Berlin Airlift!

How many cheap burner phones and tablets stuffed with content could we airdop?

Although, NK would probably start a War over that...

Here's an interesting read from G. Clooney:
http://deadline.com/2014/12/george-clooney-sony-hollywood-cowardice-north-korea-cyberattack-petition-1201329988/

**Nostromodamus**

Obamaphones for everyone!

**SilverMK2**

To be entirely fair, the rulers of NK are portrayed as gods in NK. Yet plenty of people have issues with films, books, people, concepts, which go against their religious beliefs; even to the point of violence.

Hell, Life of Brian was banned for years in some countries and faced significant hostility.

**PhantomViper**

SilverMK2 wrote:
To be entirely fair, the rulers of NK are portrayed as gods in NK. Yet plenty of people have issues with films, books, people, concepts, which go against their religious beliefs; even to the point of violence.

Hell, Life of Brian was banned for years in some countries and faced significant hostility.

To be entirely fair, no one in NK except for maybe some of their rulling class, will ever even hear about this movie or anything else that goes on outside their country.

We are talking about a place where watching SK soap operas is a crime punishable by death (making soap operas should be punishable by death everywhere in the world, watching them, not so much).

**whembly**

BUSTED.

The FBI said Friday in an official statement that "the North Korean government is responsible" for the hacking of Sony Pictures Entertainment, and that the attack destroyed thousands of computers in the process.

"The FBI has determined that the intrusion into SPE’s network consisted of the deployment of destructive malware and the theft of proprietary information as well as employees’ personally identifiable information and confidential communications. The attacks also rendered thousands of SPE’s computers inoperable, forced SPE to take its entire computer network offline, and significantly disrupted the company’s business operations."

The FBI said its conclusion that North Korea was behind the hack is based, in part, on the following:

· Similarities in the data-deletion malware and other malware that the FBI knows North Korea previously developed. Specific lines of code, encryption algorithms, data deletion methods, and compromised networks are among the details.

· Significant overlap between the infrastructure used in this attack and other malicious activity the U.S. previously linked directly to North Korea. For example, the FBI discovered that several Internet protocol addresses associated with known North Korean infrastructure communicated with IP addresses that were hardcoded into the data deletion malware used in this attack.

· The tools used in the Sony attack have similarities to a cyber attack in March 2013 against South Korean banks and media outlets carried out by North Korea.
The FBI said the "destructive nature of this attack, coupled with its coercive nature, sets it apart. North Korea’s actions were intended to inflict significant harm on a U.S. business and suppress the right of American citizens to express themselves. Such acts of intimidation fall outside the bounds of acceptable state behavior."

Finally, the G-Men promise to "identify, pursue, and impose costs and consequences on individuals, groups, or nation states who use cyber means to threaten the United States or U.S. interests."

Well the forensic evidences points to NorK...

Now what?

Operation Obamaphone™ to commence?

**Sigvatr**

So...NK commited an act of war against the US and there are no repercussions?

**d-usa**

Sigvatr wrote:
So...NK commited an act of war against the US and there are no repercussions?

Is hacking a private corporation really an act of war?

I know the US likes to pretend that corporations are people, but this seems like a stretch.

If hacking Sony was an act of war against the US then the movie itself should qualify as an act of war against NK (or if the reviews are true against all mankind

).

**Jihadin**

Getting into a shooting match with NK over this "Act of War" is like trying to get a ice cold Slurpee in Hell. Sony is a private company that is not a part of US Government or infrastructure.