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See, now the Eldar and Necron don't look so overpowered anymore

Mankind has found its savior. It's called hacking off their limbs and ripping out their eyes to replace with cybernetic parts. Humans no longer need any other factions.

Except of course, the race of Space Marines, because we know They of Many Kits are special.

Now Orks, Tau, Dark Eldar and Tyranid just need to find their saviors, and the new arms-race universe will be in harmony.

Seriously, man, that formation looks/sounds/feels.... AWESOME. In like, the most crazy overpowered way. Suddenly, Scatter bike spam seems so long ago!

 Talys wrote:


Seriously, man, that formation looks/sounds/feels.... AWESOME. In like, the most crazy overpowered way. Suddenly, Scatter bike spam seems so long ago!

Enjoy it while it lasts. The next Codex is coming.

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Talys wrote:


Seriously, man, that formation looks/sounds/feels.... AWESOME. In like, the most crazy overpowered way. Suddenly, Scatter bike spam seems so long ago!

Enjoy it while it lasts. The next Codex is coming.

Sphess Marines! Honestly, I don't know why everyone is so up in arms about the formation. It's incredibly restrictive in terms of Skitarii units that can be fielded. If someone told me that it was the Skitarii Maniple rather than the Battle Maniple, that'd be a different story. As it is, your Troops choices are going to be limited to the one Vanguard, one Ranger, and whatever number of Kataphron and Kastelans you decide to field. The fast Skitarii army is now bogged down by the slow Cult Mechanicus units.

 Vash108 wrote:

 Enigwolf wrote:
I just realized how confusing "AM" is going to be if they ever release an AdMech codex given it'll be the acronyms of 2 'dexes...

This picture is so fitting - Commissar Eastwood hangs-out in the same bar as Gunnery Seargent Hartman!!

That CM detachment works much better as I think most of us would use the HQ slot from CM and run most of the units from Skitarii.

Dumb question.... what units "have no faction"? Are there any?

"All units in this detachment must have the Cult Mechanicus faction (or have no faction)".


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 Lockark wrote:

 Enigwolf wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
Why dose the plastic hq costs as much as the forge world version.

Isn't the FW Dominus actually cheaper? (without shipping)

Yah it is. But since shipping is calculated by percent of purchase you might as well include it. The only way you don't pay it is by buying at a event or Warhammer world.

If it was two years ago when the CAD was stronger tho, it would of been cheaper even with shipping.

I think at about 200GBP you get free shipping

 Talys wrote:
Dumb question.... what units "have no faction"? Are there any?

"All units in this detachment must have the Cult Mechanicus faction (or have no faction)".


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 Lockark wrote:

 Enigwolf wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
Why dose the plastic hq costs as much as the forge world version.

Isn't the FW Dominus actually cheaper? (without shipping)

Yah it is. But since shipping is calculated by percent of purchase you might as well include it. The only way you don't pay it is by buying at a event or Warhammer world.

If it was two years ago when the CAD was stronger tho, it would of been cheaper even with shipping.

I think at about 200GBP you get free shipping

Fortifications have no faction.

And yeah, at 250 GBP you get free shipping. I already have a Cerastus Knight Castigator on my shopping list, which is 170... Plus the Dominus... Just a tad shy. Now all FW needs to do is release IA14 for the Mechanicus and I'll be set.

I'm so happy! finally we know about the battle congregation, 1 hq and 2 troops is awesome, not need for electro priests!

that also means I can fit my Ordo Machinum detachment in a 1850 game and I can get my vostroyans gun line in a 2500 one !! so much fluff and it's actually gonna be OP for once !!

 Wilson wrote:
Quick fix for kastelans of you dislike the goofy heads;

Flip them round, drop them in and GS them in place

I did the same, and also prefer the front panel off. Reminds me of Edd 209. Especially with the gun arms.

https://youtu.be/NMihmYf4WJI

 prpetros wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
Quick fix for kastelans of you dislike the goofy heads;

Flip them round, drop them in and GS them in place

I did the same, and also prefer the front panel off. Reminds me of Edd 209. Especially with the gun arms.

https://youtu.be/NMihmYf4WJI

Any pictures?

Edit: I always wondered why Edd 209's guns were loaded in that scene...

Mr.Church13 wrote:
Wow I see that on the fast track to a full on banned formation list.

When they are continually throwing out these formations with big bonuses, no meaningful restrictions (or in some cases, no restrictions at all), and no points cost? Yeah, the rules writers at GD have totally jumped the shark. I mean, why would anyone fielding an IK army ever NOT take the Exalted Court? Same exact unit composition as the base IK list, and free upgrades to everyone's BS and WS, plus a better ion shield for your warlord, who's going to play a base IK list when that's there to be taken? And the list of poorly conceived formations is growing every month, and with every new release.

shade1313 wrote:

Mr.Church13 wrote:
Wow I see that on the fast track to a full on banned formation list.

When they are continually throwing out these formations with big bonuses, no meaningful restrictions (or in some cases, no restrictions at all), and no points cost? Yeah, the rules writers at GD have totally jumped the shark. I mean, why would anyone fielding an IK army ever NOT take the Exalted Court? Same exact unit composition as the base IK list, and free upgrades to everyone's BS and WS, plus a better ion shield for your warlord, who's going to play a base IK list when that's there to be taken? And the list of poorly conceived formations is growing every month, and with every new release.

I don't think it's unintentional. GW hates outsiders influencing their flagship games rules with their own restrictions, ETC, ITC etc. etc.


I mean, they put out escalation and those independent orgs said no LOW so they did a two pronged attack with IK's and LOW's special characters

The indies restrict formations, so they put out these "decurions"

You need to play CAD? GW says nope and puts out entire armies like harlequins with no HQ etc.

The list continues to grow.

It's like an arms race between the two, where GW says their a beer and prezels game but the indies insist of "fixing" GW's game, so of course GW gets a luagh by throwing wrench after wrench into the cogs

 Red Corsair wrote:

shade1313 wrote:

Mr.Church13 wrote:
Wow I see that on the fast track to a full on banned formation list.

When they are continually throwing out these formations with big bonuses, no meaningful restrictions (or in some cases, no restrictions at all), and no points cost? Yeah, the rules writers at GD have totally jumped the shark. I mean, why would anyone fielding an IK army ever NOT take the Exalted Court? Same exact unit composition as the base IK list, and free upgrades to everyone's BS and WS, plus a better ion shield for your warlord, who's going to play a base IK list when that's there to be taken? And the list of poorly conceived formations is growing every month, and with every new release.

I don't think it's unintentional. GW hates outsiders influencing their flagship games rules with their own restrictions, ETC, ITC etc. etc.


I mean, they put out escalation and those independent orgs said no LOW so they did a two pronged attack with IK's and LOW's special characters

The indies restrict formations, so they put out these "decurions"

You need to play CAD? GW says nope and puts out entire armies like harlequins with no HQ etc.

The list continues to grow.

It's like an arms race between the two, where GW says their a beer and prezels game but the indies insist of "fixing" GW's game, so of course GW gets a luagh by throwing wrench after wrench into the cogs

This makes so much sense, too bad the design team at GW aren't allowed to be more open about the stuff they talk about, particularly on forums. It's all rather funny, actually, because when you talk to them at events in-person, they literally tell you (almost) everything.

Am I blind or were the Electropriest rules never posted up?

 Enigwolf wrote:

 prpetros wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
Quick fix for kastelans of you dislike the goofy heads;

Flip them round, drop them in and GS them in place

I did the same, and also prefer the front panel off. Reminds me of Edd 209. Especially with the gun arms.

https://youtu.be/NMihmYf4WJI

Any pictures?

Edit: I always wondered why Edd 209's guns were loaded in that scene...

Lol, yeah was a bit of an oversight .

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t34.0-12/11304429_10153368185159515_1654000836_n.jpg?oh=241d6c3edf9ccf71f3125922e3afc065&oe=5563E10E

Wow, it really does look like it.

 prpetros wrote:

 Enigwolf wrote:

 prpetros wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
Quick fix for kastelans of you dislike the goofy heads;

Flip them round, drop them in and GS them in place

I did the same, and also prefer the front panel off. Reminds me of Edd 209. Especially with the gun arms.

https://youtu.be/NMihmYf4WJI

Any pictures?

Edit: I always wondered why Edd 209's guns were loaded in that scene...

Lol, yeah was a bit of an oversight

Probably something like this:
JERKASS EXECUTIVE: And I want everything operational! Exactly like it's the real thing!
NERVOUS TECHNICIAN: Okay, obviously except for live am....
JERKASS EXECUTIVE: "Except" nothing!
NERVOUS TECHNICIAN: But if we load...
JERKASS EXECUTIVE: What part of "nothing" do you not understand?
NERVOUS TECHNICIAN: B-but...
JERKASS EXECUTIVE: You want to be fired?
NERVOUS TECHNICIAN: No sir....

Guess ill be buying that 2nd box of sicarians now haha

I just need the Electro Priest heads to make it to Bitz sellers for my Emperor's Children Marines.

 Azreal13 wrote:
I just need the Electro Priest heads to make it to Bitz sellers for my Emperor's Children Marines.

Which ones?

Ill send them you but be handy if you told me.

migooo wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
I just need the Electro Priest heads to make it to Bitz sellers for my Emperor's Children Marines.

Which ones?

Ill send them you but be handy if you told me.

I think there's only one set of heads in each box...

From the sprue pics, yes, it looks like just one set of heads.

But if anyone's planning on running headless priests, I'll PM you my address and PayPal you a few quid!

None of the formations are truly free in that you are spending a lot of points on things you might not want otherwise, you are giving up the core cmd benefits, and are forced into one build.

Baron detachment, you lose OS and the ability to ally in other things. Pretty significant.

 Leth wrote:
None of the formations are truly free in that you are spending a lot of points on things you might not want otherwise, you are giving up the core cmd benefits, and are forced into one build.

Baron detachment, you lose OS and the ability to ally in other things. Pretty significant.

Well the Skitarii can't use the CAD anyway so no way to have objective secure....also the Battle Maniple fomation grant the same bonus as the normal Maniple detachment

and beside the ruststalkers there's no real tax units in the formation

as for Knights well at 375-425 pts I think it's better to only use one in 1500-1850 pts game

only big downside is not using a CAD for cult mechanicus, but do get the ability to re-use a previously used Canticle of the Omnissiah

EDIT: when i think of it, you can add another Oathsworn detachment and add another knight !

 Leth wrote:
None of the formations are truly free in that you are spending a lot of points on things you might not want otherwise, you are giving up the core cmd benefits, and are forced into one build.

Baron detachment, you lose OS and the ability to ally in other things. Pretty significant.

OS is overrated, having all the units count towards canticles, plus the skitarri still getting their formation benefits and the ad mech getting theirs plust the benefits of this formation, outweighs anything they lost, you're getting units for free basically

 Leth wrote:
None of the formations are truly free in that you are spending a lot of points on things you might not want otherwise, you are giving up the core cmd benefits, and are forced into one build.

Baron detachment, you lose OS and the ability to ally in other things. Pretty significant.

Well, so what?

And how does one taking an IK formation lose the ability to take allies?


Frankly, losing OS is trifling, IMHO, to having all of your Knights at BS/WS 5 or better.

hIs point is you can't take an ally detachment when using this formation

but you can take a CAD or any special detachment or formation

Wait, I'm confused. So the Battle Congregation requires 1 HQ and 2 Troops.

Isn't the only HQ in the book the magos? And... who exactly count as troops?

People keep saying ObjSec is trifling and not important however ObjSec is GAME winning. One extra S6 shot hitting per turn per knight will rarely win a game however ObjSec can and will win games on a regular basis.

The biggest weakness of 3+ imperial knight armies is simply the inability to effectively engage MSU builds which can have 18+ units on the table (or even worse can conjure, spawn, or bring units back). Combine this with the ease of hiding fast ObjSec units behind LoS blockers in corners and jumping on objectives and 3+ knight armies bleed game losses against tactically flexible armies. ObjSec crusaders fixes a lot of this. Sit on the objectives you need, shoot all your weapons, and stomp any unit that gets too close.

Troops are the track battle Servitors. So you will need 2 units of those and the magos for just over 400 points.