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 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:


The Khador starter is 2 Heavies and a Warcaster. To scales up, add more Heavies!

Sure, if you want a terrible Khador force. Khador is really all about the infantry.

The fact that any WM force can be all about the infantry is a travesty of what the game became from what it was originally sold as (a Warcaster, a Heavy, and 1+ other Jacks in a box)..

Huh? WMH, especially Khador is very infantry based. Jacks are like tanks in WWII, a tank surrounded by infantry. Jacks are on the promotional stuff a lot because they're flashier, but the game's always been about combined arms and using different types of units in conjunction with one another.

When I started playing WMH, there was no such thing as infantry. My Cryx consist of Dennie, 3 Slayers and a half-dozen chickens. Good stuff, played decently enough.

I'm glad I stopped buying before WMH became yet another bulk infantry game - I already have that from 40k and WFB, so no need to add to the pile.

2-3 units is hardly a bulk infantry game.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Maybe that's just how that person in the studio chose to base it? I wouldn't start panicking just yet.

Yeah, but what are the odds? I don't remember WD ever having round bases for fantasy photos. Why would an 'official' model for a game squarely set in the square bases format do this? Anything is possible, but this is not probable.

 Grey Templar wrote:

Spoiler:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:


The Khador starter is 2 Heavies and a Warcaster. To scales up, add more Heavies!

Sure, if you want a terrible Khador force. Khador is really all about the infantry.

The fact that any WM force can be all about the infantry is a travesty of what the game became from what it was originally sold as (a Warcaster, a Heavy, and 1+ other Jacks in a box)..

Huh? WMH, especially Khador is very infantry based. Jacks are like tanks in WWII, a tank surrounded by infantry. Jacks are on the promotional stuff a lot because they're flashier, but the game's always been about combined arms and using different types of units in conjunction with one another.

When I started playing WMH, there was no such thing as infantry. My Cryx consist of Dennie, 3 Slayers and a half-dozen chickens. Good stuff, played decently enough.

I'm glad I stopped buying before WMH became yet another bulk infantry game - I already have that from 40k and WFB, so no need to add to the pile.

2-3 units is hardly a bulk infantry game.

Indeed. There's also plenty of Casters/Locks that do more for Jacks/Beasts than infantry and don't care if you bring them or not.

You just generally don't find them in Khador, bringing this back to my original point.

Schmapdi wrote:

How many customers for the next few years will buy a box of something for their new Warhammer Fantasy Bubbles game and find square bases?

Quoted for unintentional and likely autocorrect hilarity. I suspect some folks reading this would prefer a grimdark bubbles game to what has been rumored.

Can we get the Warmachine discussion to go somewhere else? I'm sure when it was initially brought up, it probably had some sort of relevance to the topic at hand, but just perusing the last few comments seems its fallen off the rails.

Thanks,

a Warhammer player.

 warboss wrote:

Schmapdi wrote:

How many customers for the next few years will buy a box of something for their new Warhammer Fantasy Bubbles game and find square bases?

Quoted for unintentional and likely autocorrect hilarity. I suspect some folks reading this would prefer a grimdark bubbles game to what has been rumored.

Grimdark



or grimdark



?

 warboss wrote:

Schmapdi wrote:

How many customers for the next few years will buy a box of something for their new Warhammer Fantasy Bubbles game and find square bases?

Quoted for unintentional and likely autocorrect hilarity. I suspect some folks reading this would prefer a grimdark bubbles game to what has been rumored.

Think it was intentional. That is the rumor, that factions will be on their own space borne landmass protected from the Warp/Space, by magical bubbles, colliding with other factions landmass.

 nels1031 wrote:

 warboss wrote:

Schmapdi wrote:

How many customers for the next few years will buy a box of something for their new Warhammer Fantasy Bubbles game and find square bases?

Quoted for unintentional and likely autocorrect hilarity. I suspect some folks reading this would prefer a grimdark bubbles game to what has been rumored.

Think it was intentional. That is the rumor, that factions will be on their own space borne landmass protected from the Warp/Space, by magical bubbles, colliding with other factions landmass.

Was that the rumor? I thought the world was still intact, just mostly consumed by Chaos, with the bubbles moving around the surface.

@platuan4th

Definitely the former. Inquis Bubbles of the Ordos Pufficus (also known as the Meaniehunters) hunting down the evil psychic xenos warlord Au'Mojo Un'JoJo would be epic! You'd just need to darken the colors on the pic and add a few skulls.

 nels1031 wrote:
Can we get the Warmachine discussion to go somewhere else?

YES - we have several sub-fora dedicated to PP's games. Please take any further WM/H discussion there. Thanks.

 Alex C wrote:
Was that the rumor? I thought the world was still intact, just mostly consumed by Chaos, with the bubbles moving around the surface.

Possibly that, I don't put much stock into the rumor until I have it in my hands as proof. Regardless, bubbles play a part!

Just waiting now to see that the round base sizes will be different than 40k sized bases so demons won't be able to be swapped between universes easily.

Wfb 23, 28, 33, 43, 53 and 83 mm bases
W40k 25, 32, 40, 50, 60 mm bases

 Theophony wrote:
Just waiting now to see that the round base sizes will be different than 40k sized bases so demons won't be able to be swapped between universes easily.

Wfb 23, 28, 33, 43, 53 and 83 mm bases
W40k 25, 32, 40, 50, 60 mm bases

More likely Daemons will have to roll on a chart to determine their base size before each game, so you have to buy all the possible base sizes, because random + invalidating your models = fun!

You'll also have to buy Codex: Base Sizes and Warbubble Armies: Bases to get all the rules.

Don't forget to pre-order your limited edition copies that include a signed print of base artwork depicting the triumphant victory of the round-base army over their evil square-base kin! Direct-only, limited to 3 copies worldwide, only $6000!

So... round bases.... bubble realities that collide for a fight.
Is this really GW's way of combining Fantasy and 40k? "Your Skaven vs my Dark Angels? Game on!"

So glad after playing every version of FB since the box set I bought in 1984, that I tried (and loved) KoW this summer.

 Alex C wrote:
Codex: Base Sizes

This... at this point it wouldn't even phase me.

Don't worry, they're going to put out a new $60 hobby book to make it all better! How to Rebase Citadel Models.

 Necros wrote:
Don't worry, they're going to put out a new $60 hobby book to make it all better! How to Rebase Citadel Models.

Step1: take model you wish to rebase and put it on shelf
Step2: head to your local GW store and buy new model
Step3: ????
Step4: Profit!

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
So... round bases.... bubble realities that collide for a fight.
Is this really GW's way of combining Fantasy and 40k? "Your Skaven vs my Dark Angels? Game on!"

So glad after playing every version of FB since the box set I bought in 1984, that I tried (and loved) KoW this summer.

That brings back memories of the old gw forums, where someone was complaining that his lizardmen kept getting rolled by his friend's necrons. My advice didn't go over well with the mods, apparently.

 MWHistorian wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:


The Khador starter is 2 Heavies and a Warcaster. To scales up, add more Heavies!

Sure, if you want a terrible Khador force. Khador is really all about the infantry.

The fact that any WM force can be all about the infantry is a travesty of what the game became from what it was originally sold as (a Warcaster, a Heavy, and 1+ other Jacks in a box)..

Huh? WMH, especially Khador is very infantry based. Jacks are like tanks in WWII, a tank surrounded by infantry. Jacks are on the promotional stuff a lot because they're flashier, but the game's always been about combined arms and using different types of units in conjunction with one another.

This is not how the game was pre-Superiority. There are lots of people that wish it stayed much more jack heavy. At the end of MK1 there was even an epithet for how infantry heavy the game had become: "Infantrymachine".

I personally always played very, very infantry heavy as the jacks were my least favorite part of the game (particularly heavies), but i played assassination casters like Deneghra1 and Caine2 that didn't like having an asston of heavies in tow, and had builds more suited towards other pieces to get the caster kill.

*shrug* Anywho, this is what JohnHwang is driving at when he refers to "travesty". He probably played the game early in Mk1 before the heavy infantry influx into the game, and fell more into the camp that liked more jacks. Just a guess.

 Haight wrote:
This is not how the game was pre-Superiority. There are lots of people that wish it stayed much more jack heavy. At the end of MK1 there was even an epithet for how infantry heavy the game had become: "Infantrymachine".

I personally always played very, very infantry heavy as the jacks were my least favorite part of the game (particularly heavies), but i played assassination casters like Deneghra1 and Caine2 that didn't like having an asston of heavies in tow, and had builds more suited towards other pieces to get the caster kill.

*shrug* Anywho, this is what JohnHwang is driving at when he refers to "travesty". He probably played the game early in Mk1 before the heavy infantry influx into the game, and fell more into the camp that liked more jacks. Just a guess.

Good guess, 100% accurate. I got in on the ground floor with Prime, and the subsequent meta swing got me out, in much the same way that the WFB shift from 8E to 9E will likely have similar type of fallout on the WFB crowd.

(Mods, see how I linked it back to the topic? )

Except WMH became a superior game due to the changes.

Fantasy will, if the rumored changes are true, not be so lucky.

Right then, so, having read through the first few pages w/ all the edits leaves me with the conlusion that GW have, after saying that no armies were going to be squatted, turned around to all Bretonnian players and said a massive "£&%$ you". If six factions from WHFB are going to be in this new thing, that means that (pre end-times) nine armies are being dropped (as of where we are in ET afaik, that drops to 5 being abandoned due to certain groups of armies armies being amalgamated).

Well, I've been waiting for a new Bretonnian book for NINE YEARS (Brets got a new book for 6th, the last decent edition, and sod all since) and now we're getting dropped. Could it be because they've failed to sell anything of note for an outdated army for the past decade? Well, despite continuing to support Fantasy though out that drought I can safely say I'm abandoning ship.



A few friends and myself have been writing a new set of rules for the 40k setting, a rule set that has more to do with the reality of how combat works; it's far more complicated than modern 40k but it works for the most part, and once that's done I suspect we may start work on a new Fantasy rule set, so that cavalry makes sense again if nothing else.

I don't understand why they are moving to round bases? I get it if they want to do lord of the rings style movement trays but at the same time this would mean that either
A) individual models will be priced more to reduce unit size OR
B) my unit of 60 stormvermin with round bases will now be friggen 1ft x 1ft wide because of the huge space between them.

I just don't understand why they would change it? What purpose will it serve other than to piss people off who own 500+ square based models for a single army who don't want to switch bases? (This is me lol)

I'm actually a fan of having multiple armies in one book. Means I can buy 1 book and start 3 armies with it reducing cost. Assuming the books run about $70 like the end times softbacks

Who will be the first company to produce base converters?

Eruantien wrote:
Right then, so, having read through the first few pages w/ all the edits leaves me with the conlusion that GW have, after saying that no armies were going to be squatted, turned around to all Bretonnian players and said a massive "£&%$ you". If six factions from WHFB are going to be in this new thing, that means that (pre end-times) nine armies are being dropped (as of where we are in ET afaik, that drops to 5 being abandoned due to certain groups of armies armies being amalgamated).

Well, I've been waiting for a new Bretonnian book for NINE YEARS (Brets got a new book for 6th, the last decent edition, and sod all since) and now we're getting dropped. Could it be because they've failed to sell anything of note for an outdated army for the past decade? Well, despite continuing to support Fantasy though out that drought I can safely say I'm abandoning ship.



A few friends and myself have been writing a new set of rules for the 40k setting, a rule set that has more to do with the reality of how combat works; it's far more complicated than modern 40k but it works for the most part, and once that's done I suspect we may start work on a new Fantasy rule set, so that cavalry makes sense again if nothing else.

Broseph of Nazareth, from what I've read, while things are bad, Bretonnians aren't being squatted, but slotted. See what I did there? I'm the king of suBtle puns. It seems more likely Bretonnians will be lumped in with the Empire's remnants (and theorised with the Dwarves too). This might actually mean you're more likely to get an update, as they'll have to put new entries for the units into the Army Book: Mankind-is-still-relevant, and in future they can just release one off kits instead of making you wait nearly a decade

Honestly, I'm not sure I would put too much thought into the Doombells being put onto those oval bases(because that's what they are: the big oval base).
It was not uncommon to see bolt throwers mounted on 60mm round bases in White Dwarf some years ago.

But the Stormfiends being on a square/rectangular base kind of makes me question the whole Basegate thing...

 Kanluwen wrote:
Honestly, I'm not sure I would put too much thought into the Doombells being put onto those oval bases(because that's what they are: the big oval base).
It was not uncommon to see bolt throwers mounted on 60mm round bases in White Dwarf some years ago.

But the Stormfiends being on a square/rectangular base kind of makes me question the whole Basegate thing...

Ya but the screaming bell goes into a unit so a round base just doesn't work nor does it make any sense?

Doesn't phase me too much. I'll either keep playing 8th with a bunch of people who are currently intent on doing just that, play 9th with squares or go back to maining Malifaux.

This radical of a shift WILL piss off a LOT of their fan base & GW, while still top dog, is no longer the only guy. Mantic, Privateer Press, Wyrd, all 3 plus others (Infinity, Wild West Exodus) are gaining a lot of people from GW repeatedly stabbing themselves in the gut while screaming "IT'S FOR YOUR OWN GOOD! IT'S FOR YOU OWN GO-OO-OOD!"


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 chiefbigredman wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Honestly, I'm not sure I would put too much thought into the Doombells being put onto those oval bases(because that's what they are: the big oval base).
It was not uncommon to see bolt throwers mounted on 60mm round bases in White Dwarf some years ago.

But the Stormfiends being on a square/rectangular base kind of makes me question the whole Basegate thing...

Ya but the screaming bell goes into a unit so a round base just doesn't work nor does it make any sense?

But from what I've heard the rules are changing & so far it is the only 'unique' unit type.

 Accolade wrote:
Thanks greatly for the info Warhams. ....

You're welcome. Darnok also posted today the (pre-order!) date he was given:

I've heard about 9th hitting in April. Either way, a bit earlier than I had guessed a few weeks ago.

Link to Warseer topic: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?404065-Warhammer-And-Now-For-Something-Completely-Different&p=7349014&viewfull=1#post7349014

Question:

I'm not too familiar with all the different base sizes, but wouldn't you just be able to fit round based fantasy models on movement
trays just as easily as square based ones?