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david choe wrote:

What I am saying is that all sword has functions and niche... but for you guys ... it is just unacceptable that a Katana can have it's niche and excel at it too.

However, I am here to claim that Katana out shine other swords in its cutting ability.

Excelling and being the Best are two different things.

How about this as a test, since you love them so much... Let's line up 60 pigs. Take one man. For 30 pigs, he gets a sharpened, expertly crafted Katana. For the other 30, he gets an expertly crafted, sharpened "European Sword" (longsword, hand/half sword, claymore, whatever). He then takes one swing at each pig, without any sharpening whatsoever in between. See how long that Katana holds up. You are correct in that most straight bladed European swords aren't AS sharp as a Katana, but the quality of steel that goes into them means they hold what edge they do have longer than something like the Katana with it's razor thin blade.


It's the same reason why you're supposed to sharpen you kitchen knives before or after each use: the blade/cutting edge is so thin for greater sharpness, but the trade off is that the cutting edge gets dull quicker.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
My argument is this:


Control is down to the user. Done. I have done exactly ZERO training with a Katana, but I have done some with European style swords (my only "battle ready" sword that I own is a true Hand and a Half Sword/ aka, Bastard Sword). As such, if it were me personally being the "guinea pig" in a pig cutting, card cutting, etc. type "test" the results would probably favor the European sword.

If we're demonstrating how different swords cut through, say, a flattened cardboard box, the one thing the Katana will do, is cut through cleaner than many other straight blades.

IIRC, many of the 18th and 19th century cavalry sabers were designed off of examples taken from Japan, the ME, India, etc. and refined in ways that "only" Europe can do. As such, I think that a saber from that period COULD give the Katana a run for the money.

But, all of these lab tests are only so useful. Swords, with few exceptions are designed for killing. And we've pointed out there are plenty that do it better than a Katana. Sure, you can butcher a million pigs, or bamboo rolls to prove how sharp a blade is, but that doesn't mean it's effective anywhere else.

And if we want to be technical, ALL of this is completely OT. As I reposted your own OP earlier in this page.. you asked a question "are there other swords that have the quick draw ability" To which, we answered you. THAT should have been the end of discussion. It was you who turned this into a "katana vs X" debate.




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david choe wrote:
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david choe wrote:
I was wondering if there are any western swords that can do a quick draw attack like the Katana.

I can't think of any.

Well then.. you made a bit of mistake.

The OP was best sword for the quick draw.

I left your OP quoted there... No where in that does it say "best". you say, and I'll quote again: "I was wondering if there are any western swords that can do a quick draw attack like that Katana"

There's not even a hint of a "best at" discussion here. If that is really what you wanted, you should have put that in the OP.

Sorry one of my post was deleted.

The quick draw attack weapon, what weapon can do this beside a Katana? I mean a real training method for this to be effective.
I don't think there was ever an example that can be given. So I think Katana stands alone in this category.

I think the thread was derail because people turn this into a Katana vs. X. I didn't start that. I still am not starting this, see the minor problem here. You keep suggesting that I turn this into Katana vs. X.

But lets move on.

Control cutting comment. You are a train Bastard swordsmen, can you choose to make your bastard sword cut like hacking an arm just enough where the arm will still hang? I know this is weird, but the design of Bastard sword is not design for control slice , it is design as a tool to what ever it hit.. cut in half or enough to kill it.

A Katana is design to have control of your cut. That is the control that I am talking about. It is not a "clumsy" weapon. Yes control cut comes with training, but if you must and you want to ... can you design a Bastard Sword with control cutting?

The question is not why would you want control cutting, the question is because Japanese wanted to create a weapon that can achieve that. Back to 40K... A slannish champion would choose a Katana because they want the perfect cuts for it's beauty. You just want your bastard sword to be Korne style and kill you.

I think it is a great human achievement that we have created a sword that has the ability to be a scalpel in cutting. Look at a Katana for what it is. I mean.. I like to drink beer to get a buzz, but sometime I enjoy a glass of wine because I like the taste.

A katana is a fine weapon, a scalpel like sword. It would be foolish to consider all weapons must be chain axe like in damages and control slices is not important.

Anyone else find it kinda weird that only four of his post aren't in ot?And all of them are about a guys miniatures being stolen?No "I collect (insert army here" or modelling or anything related to miniatures HE owns. Im not saying david is a troll but I aint saying he isn't.

 Tyr13 wrote:
A pair of scissors is great for cutting paper. A knife can cut paper, but is far worse at doing so. But if I want to whittle something out of a piece of wood, Ill always choose the knife. I could use the scissors of course, but it being great at cutting doesnt make it useful for whittling. See what I mean?

See what I mean? You are proofing my point.

A Katana can behead people and a Rapier can not, so what is your point? Every weapons is design to do a function. You think that function is fighting to win at all times.... what is fighting at all times? Why have a sword as your side arm if a hand crossbow will be better right? just accept it that all weapons has pros and cons.

What about the function of a sword being a sword? A sword is a cutting too first and the ability to cut things is where we use it to kill things. So by that logic a very sharp cutting power is an important feature.

Your analogy of the scissor vs. knife is the same as katana vs. war hammer. They design for different things.

So lets pretend that all weapons in this world were only swords. Then somebody invented armor. Then the next guy invented a mace... but they call it Heavy sword. It is a heavy stick with very heavy steel ball. And you down grade the "HEAVY sword" as stupid would be incorrect.

Katana serve it purpose as a side arm and in fighting against non armor is rightfully a scary weapon.


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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

david choe wrote:

What I am saying is that all sword has functions and niche... but for you guys ... it is just unacceptable that a Katana can have it's niche and excel at it too.

However, I am here to claim that Katana out shine other swords in its cutting ability.

Excelling and being the Best are two different things.

How about this as a test, since you love them so much... Let's line up 60 pigs. Take one man. For 30 pigs, he gets a sharpened, expertly crafted Katana. For the other 30, he gets an expertly crafted, sharpened "European Sword" (longsword, hand/half sword, claymore, whatever). He then takes one swing at each pig, without any sharpening whatsoever in between. See how long that Katana holds up. You are correct in that most straight bladed European swords aren't AS sharp as a Katana, but the quality of steel that goes into them means they hold what edge they do have longer than something like the Katana with it's razor thin blade.


It's the same reason why you're supposed to sharpen you kitchen knives before or after each use: the blade/cutting edge is so thin for greater sharpness, but the trade off is that the cutting edge gets dull quicker.

OK, lets just say you are correct... my point is still proven right?

Lets just pretend that first 10 pigs Katana cuts are cleans and European sword from the first pig is messy and not clean. But cut 10 pigs none the less. A pig 11, Katana cuts starts to look like European sword cuts. and by Cut 25 Katana won't even cut anymore .... yet European cut all 30 pigs...

Lets just assume this test were true... We have two different functions and we all know what advantages and disadvantages are right? So if you are a rich person who can afford 5 Katanas and want to slice pigs... at 50 pigs a day... would you pick a European sword or Katana? The smart and rich person who wants clean cuts.. would just rotate the Katanas. The niche is establish that Katana can cut better, but if you want a longer lasting blade that can't not be exchange.. .would be the european sword. Most important of all in this pig example. If you need the best cut for the job.. meaning just 1 pig that day... you know Katana will be better.

this concept is not difficult to understand and I have been expressing this concept...

What is wrong with that? Why can you just accept the Katana as that special and very useful niche? You get my point? I understand the durability of european sword. Do you not understand the niche of Katana and usefulness of that niche?

david choe wrote:


The quick draw attack weapon, what weapon can do this beside a Katana? I mean a real training method for this to be effective.
I don't think there was ever an example that can be given. So I think Katana stands alone in this category.

It was pointed out by another user that you CAN do this with things like a Cavalry saber, however you are correct in that there was little to no "formal training" for such a move among Western Swordsmen wielding a saber. This is because the danger presented that would necessitate a quick draw type of strike wasn't present in Europe, while it was in Japan.

This is neither a bad thing nor a good thing. It's just a thing. Basically, just because there's no "textbook maneuver" that is practiced with a saber for a quick draw strike doesn't mean it can't do it. It simply means that there wasn't a use for such a maneuver among Europeans and as such, such techniques were lost to history.

Control cutting comment. You are a train Bastard swordsmen, can you choose to make your bastard sword cut like hacking an arm just enough where the arm will still hang? I know this is weird, but the design of Bastard sword is not design for control slice , it is design as a tool to what ever it hit.. cut in half or enough to kill it.

A Katana is design to have control of your cut. That is the control that I am talking about. It is not a "clumsy" weapon. Yes control cut comes with training, but if you must and you want to ... can you design a Bastard Sword with control cutting?

I think there is some fault in your premise here... I think, and I could be wrong on this, that you are coming from a false notion that longswords, hand/half swords, etc. are "hacking" weapons. Thing is, they are slicing weapons very similar in line with the Katana. The "perfect" strike with a longsword isn't the same motion as a butcher's knife, it's using the arc of the swing combined with the straight edge of the blade to create the cut... Most videos I've seen on the Katana techniques are the opposite, ie, using the curve of the blade along with a more "straight" swing to use the curve of the blade to create the cutting motion. the cutting motion, or target of the cut, in an ideal situation, the longsword should make contact with the target closer to the hand guards, with the blade drawing along it's length until the complete strike ends with the point of the sword leaving the target.

Now, the techniques for claymores and other very large swords will differ, but then their uses and purpose were often different from the "standard" longsword.

A katana is a fine weapon, a scalpel like sword.

Katanas are fine weapons indeed. I wouldn't go so far as to compare them to scalpels. Yes, they have very precise techniques, and in the little reading I've done on the subject, the true test of the swordsman in Japan, particularly in a duel, was in reading his opponent's technique and being able to react quicker. Miyamoto Musashi comes to mind here, as he is widely regarded as the absolute best duelist in all of Japan in his age. He realized that most of the duel was not in the metal, it was between the ears of the combatants.

I think that the processes used to make Katanas are fascinating, but to downplay the quality of European weapons, IMO, severely discredits the masters who made them, whether you're talking damascus steel or Toledo steel, creating a good sword took months or even years.

 Da krimson barun wrote:
Anyone else find it kinda weird that only four of his post aren't in ot?And all of them are about a guys miniatures being stolen?No "I collect (insert army here" or modelling or anything related to miniatures HE owns. Im not saying david is a troll but I aint saying he isn't.

What the heck are you talking about?

You want to talk about miniatures all day? Dude, I have been around since 2ed 40k and 5th edition WHFB. At the moment I am sick and bored of talking about army list and miniatures. The only thing that never change about this hobby are that people will always talk about the same topic for the different edition. What I find more interesting at this moment are gammers perspective about other subject.

I don't want to talk to you which is better, a power axe or power sword or should I high light my Orcs green skin with yellows...shhh...

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

david choe wrote:


The quick draw attack weapon, what weapon can do this beside a Katana? I mean a real training method for this to be effective.
I don't think there was ever an example that can be given. So I think Katana stands alone in this category.

It was pointed out by another user that you CAN do this with things like a Cavalry saber, however you are correct in that there was little to no "formal training" for such a move among Western Swordsmen wielding a saber. This is because the danger presented that would necessitate a quick draw type of strike wasn't present in Europe, while it was in Japan.

This is neither a bad thing nor a good thing. It's just a thing. Basically, just because there's no "textbook maneuver" that is practiced with a saber for a quick draw strike doesn't mean it can't do it. It simply means that there wasn't a use for such a maneuver among Europeans and as such, such techniques were lost to history.

Control cutting comment. You are a train Bastard swordsmen, can you choose to make your bastard sword cut like hacking an arm just enough where the arm will still hang? I know this is weird, but the design of Bastard sword is not design for control slice , it is design as a tool to what ever it hit.. cut in half or enough to kill it.

A Katana is design to have control of your cut. That is the control that I am talking about. It is not a "clumsy" weapon. Yes control cut comes with training, but if you must and you want to ... can you design a Bastard Sword with control cutting?

I think there is some fault in your premise here... I think, and I could be wrong on this, that you are coming from a false notion that longswords, hand/half swords, etc. are "hacking" weapons. Thing is, they are slicing weapons very similar in line with the Katana. The "perfect" strike with a longsword isn't the same motion as a butcher's knife, it's using the arc of the swing combined with the straight edge of the blade to create the cut... Most videos I've seen on the Katana techniques are the opposite, ie, using the curve of the blade along with a more "straight" swing to use the curve of the blade to create the cutting motion. the cutting motion, or target of the cut, in an ideal situation, the longsword should make contact with the target closer to the hand guards, with the blade drawing along it's length until the complete strike ends with the point of the sword leaving the target.

Now, the techniques for claymores and other very large swords will differ, but then their uses and purpose were often different from the "standard" longsword.

A katana is a fine weapon, a scalpel like sword.

Katanas are fine weapons indeed. I wouldn't go so far as to compare them to scalpels. Yes, they have very precise techniques, and in the little reading I've done on the subject, the true test of the swordsman in Japan, particularly in a duel, was in reading his opponent's technique and being able to react quicker. Miyamoto Musashi comes to mind here, as he is widely regarded as the absolute best duelist in all of Japan in his age. He realized that most of the duel was not in the metal, it was between the ears of the combatants.

I think that the processes used to make Katanas are fascinating, but to downplay the quality of European weapons, IMO, severely discredits the masters who made them, whether you're talking damascus steel or Toledo steel, creating a good sword took months or even years.

Yeah and I agree that any weapon can be train for quick draw... but a Katana is very optimal for this technique... so a techniques was perfected. My intention was to to put Katana on the mantel for this achievement. It is interesting right to see if other people who know about weapons can give you new information. I was wonder if there were other weapons.. but from the responds here .. there were none and I got bashed as Katanas fanboi... fight starts...haha.


I understand about the strait blade cutting ability. I know it is not a hacking blade. As I stated in my control cuts. Would it be possible for a well train expert X sword to use that X sword to behead people with the skin on as I have mentioned that about Katana. So in your study.. are there method that allows you to not curt something in half but stop at mid point. Example is the human head cut...

Can a master Bastard swords train and achieve this using a Bastard Sword? I have swing both Katana and Bastard sword. I just can not see myself ever being able to control my cuts with a Bastard Sword. But with a Katana and I am way below novice with the weapon, I can cut damn good with a Katana and can sometime even stop slicing the water bottle test.. like cutting it half way in and still leave the bottle not all the way cut off. This is why I say that the Katana is very easy for anybody to pick up and start cutting away because the blade is very sharp and easy to control compare to most blades. This niche is one hell of an amazing niche. As weapons collector and hobbyist in this "geek" weapons.. I do fine this amazing niche very very unique and not many weapons out there can do.

david choe wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

david choe wrote:


The quick draw attack weapon, what weapon can do this beside a Katana? I mean a real training method for this to be effective.
I don't think there was ever an example that can be given. So I think Katana stands alone in this category.

It was pointed out by another user that you CAN do this with things like a Cavalry saber, however you are correct in that there was little to no "formal training" for such a move among Western Swordsmen wielding a saber. This is because the danger presented that would necessitate a quick draw type of strike wasn't present in Europe, while it was in Japan.

This is neither a bad thing nor a good thing. It's just a thing. Basically, just because there's no "textbook maneuver" that is practiced with a saber for a quick draw strike doesn't mean it can't do it. It simply means that there wasn't a use for such a maneuver among Europeans and as such, such techniques were lost to history.

Control cutting comment. You are a train Bastard swordsmen, can you choose to make your bastard sword cut like hacking an arm just enough where the arm will still hang? I know this is weird, but the design of Bastard sword is not design for control slice , it is design as a tool to what ever it hit.. cut in half or enough to kill it.

A Katana is design to have control of your cut. That is the control that I am talking about. It is not a "clumsy" weapon. Yes control cut comes with training, but if you must and you want to ... can you design a Bastard Sword with control cutting?

I think there is some fault in your premise here... I think, and I could be wrong on this, that you are coming from a false notion that longswords, hand/half swords, etc. are "hacking" weapons. Thing is, they are slicing weapons very similar in line with the Katana. The "perfect" strike with a longsword isn't the same motion as a butcher's knife, it's using the arc of the swing combined with the straight edge of the blade to create the cut... Most videos I've seen on the Katana techniques are the opposite, ie, using the curve of the blade along with a more "straight" swing to use the curve of the blade to create the cutting motion. the cutting motion, or target of the cut, in an ideal situation, the longsword should make contact with the target closer to the hand guards, with the blade drawing along it's length until the complete strike ends with the point of the sword leaving the target.

Now, the techniques for claymores and other very large swords will differ, but then their uses and purpose were often different from the "standard" longsword.

A katana is a fine weapon, a scalpel like sword.

Katanas are fine weapons indeed. I wouldn't go so far as to compare them to scalpels. Yes, they have very precise techniques, and in the little reading I've done on the subject, the true test of the swordsman in Japan, particularly in a duel, was in reading his opponent's technique and being able to react quicker. Miyamoto Musashi comes to mind here, as he is widely regarded as the absolute best duelist in all of Japan in his age. He realized that most of the duel was not in the metal, it was between the ears of the combatants.

I think that the processes used to make Katanas are fascinating, but to downplay the quality of European weapons, IMO, severely discredits the masters who made them, whether you're talking damascus steel or Toledo steel, creating a good sword took months or even years.

Yeah and I agree that any weapon can be train for quick draw... but a Katana is very optimal for this technique... so a techniques was perfected. My intention was NOT to put Katana on the mantel for this achievement. It is interesting right to see if other people who know about weapons can give you new information. I was wonder if there were other weapons.. but from the responds here .. there were none and I got bashed as Katanas fanboi... fight starts...haha.


I understand about the strait blade cutting ability. I know it is not a hacking blade. As I stated in my control cuts. Would it be possible for a well train expert X sword to use that X sword to behead people with the skin on as I have mentioned that about Katana. So in your study.. are there method that allows you to not curt something in half but stop at mid point. Example is the human head cut...

Can a master Bastard swords train and achieve this using a Bastard Sword? I have swing both Katana and Bastard sword. I just can not see myself ever being able to control my cuts with a Bastard Sword. But with a Katana and I am way below novice with the weapon, I can cut damn good with a Katana and can sometime even stop slicing the water bottle test.. like cutting it half way in and still leave the bottle not all the way cut off. This is why I say that the Katana is very easy for anybody to pick up and start cutting away because the blade is very sharp and easy to control compare to most blades. This niche is one hell of an amazing niche. As weapons collector and hobbyist in this "geek" weapons.. I do fine this amazing niche very very unique and not many weapons out there can do.

Speaking of quick draw attacks, the shashka can do that. It is even a common technique used by Cossacks.
I think a shashka would work just as well as a katana for a quick draw attack.

david choe wrote:

 Da krimson barun wrote:
Anyone else find it kinda weird that only four of his post aren't in ot?And all of them are about a guys miniatures being stolen?No "I collect (insert army here" or modelling or anything related to miniatures HE owns. Im not saying david is a troll but I aint saying he isn't.

What the heck are you talking about?

You want to talk about miniatures all day? Dude, I have been around since 2ed 40k and 5th edition WHFB. At the moment I am sick and bored of talking about army list and miniatures. The only thing that never change about this hobby are that people will always talk about the same topic for the different edition. What I find more interesting at this moment are gammers perspective about other subject.

I don't want to talk to you which is better, a power axe or power sword or should I high light my Orcs green skin with yellows...shhh...

Whats the point in joining a miniatures forum if all you do is talk about katanas?What are these "gammers?" I assume gammers are normal people who have lives outside of gammering?Why not go to a forum about weapons to talk about weapons?You don't see me joining a star wars forum to talk about ww2 tanks do you?

If you use the sword in the style it was designed for a bastard sword is equally if not far more dangerous than a katana. They were supposed to be used in their entirity. You would use the blade, the hilt and the pommel in a fight and you'd use the weight of the blade to your advantage, crushing limbs and torsos if you couldn't cut them apart.
Katanas are much lighter so yeah you'd probably have much better control of it but in reality if you're using them correctly it probably doesn't matter. Even more so it's a weapon designed to be a slashing weapon and it's too light to do much against heavy armour which given its origin I don't think it came up against much.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Speaking of quick draw attacks, the shashka can do that. It is even a common technique used by Cossacks.
I think a shashka would work just as well as a katana for a quick draw attack.

Well- I'm speechless. That looks absolutely amazing.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Speaking of quick draw attacks, the shashka can do that. It is even a common technique used by Cossacks.
I think a shashka would work just as well as a katana for a quick draw attack.

Interesting, can you provide proof of this?

To make sure that you understand this. A quick draw is not the speed of drawing out your weapon quick and start fighting.

A quick draw is to unshed your blade and strike to kill all with one stroke. There are reasons why other short swords can do this but very stupid to do because it mess you up at your fight stance and risk getting kill in return.

Yes, a Gladius is possible to do this, but because of the strait blade, your strike is to hope that this short weapon will poke your enemy... chances are your enemy will step one step back you you missed. It is better to just draw out your short sword and start to fight.

I have never heard that any saber can do this and does it as a form of attack.. just because in theory it can.. doesn't mean it should. You might get counter attack and die for this clumsy attempt. No doubt Samurai who actually would do, has been trained and choose to do this because it is a form of attack.

david choe wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Speaking of quick draw attacks, the shashka can do that. It is even a common technique used by Cossacks.
I think a shashka would work just as well as a katana for a quick draw attack.

Interesting, can you provide proof of this?

To make sure that you understand this. A quick draw is not the speed of drawing out your weapon quick and start fighting.

A quick draw is to unshed your blade and strike to kill all with one stroke. There are reasons why other short swords can do this but very stupid to do because it mess you up at your fight stance and risk getting kill in return.

Yes, a Gladius is possible to do this, but because of the strait blade, your strike is to hope that this short weapon will poke your enemy... chances are your enemy will step one step back you you missed. It is better to just draw out your short sword and start to fight.

I have never heard that any saber can do this and does it as a form of attack.. just because in theory it can.. doesn't mean it should. You might get counter attack and die for this clumsy attempt. No doubt Samurai who actually would do, has been trained and choose to do this because it is a form of attack.

Cold Steel guy does it in this video: (at 0:40, and again more fluidly at 0:50)

 Da krimson barun wrote:

david choe wrote:

 Da krimson barun wrote:
Anyone else find it kinda weird that only four of his post aren't in ot?And all of them are about a guys miniatures being stolen?No "I collect (insert army here" or modelling or anything related to miniatures HE owns. Im not saying david is a troll but I aint saying he isn't.

What the heck are you talking about?

You want to talk about miniatures all day? Dude, I have been around since 2ed 40k and 5th edition WHFB. At the moment I am sick and bored of talking about army list and miniatures. The only thing that never change about this hobby are that people will always talk about the same topic for the different edition. What I find more interesting at this moment are gammers perspective about other subject.

I don't want to talk to you which is better, a power axe or power sword or should I high light my Orcs green skin with yellows...shhh...

Whats the point in joining a miniatures forum if all you do is talk about katanas?What are these "gammers?" I assume gammers are normal people who have lives outside of gammering?Why not go to a forum about weapons to talk about weapons?You don't see me joining a star wars forum to talk about ww2 tanks do you?

Really that is your comment? This is a not an off topic forum? Why are you in this thread if you want to talk about toys? At least my is about weapons which I know most of us are interested in it because we play with toys that use weapons. You seen other threads that talk about movies and some even about real life issue like ISIS!

The questions is why are you following my thread history and actually did the research to track my post like a little groupie?

Remember earlier I said you might be a troll?remove "might".

david choe wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Speaking of quick draw attacks, the shashka can do that. It is even a common technique used by Cossacks.
I think a shashka would work just as well as a katana for a quick draw attack.

Interesting, can you provide proof of this?

It was carried blade up, like a katana, and that allowed for several ways to draw the weapon and strike

Down:


To the side:


Or the most popular way, up:



The side and up draws make it very easy to do a quick draw attack, and Cossacks aren't fans of being taken by suprised, so it is more then likely something they do train in, though I couldn't find and video's of it (hardly surprising honestly)


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Oh snap, ninja'd by the Captain

Cold Steel guy does this in his video

No other company has slaughtered as many hollow pigs, cardboard tubes, bamboo sticks or cardboard Spartans. They scare me....

Also I feel kinda stupid since I train with this type of sword. I know its purely an English weapon but why do they call it a "bastard" sword?

 Iron_Captain wrote:

david choe wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Speaking of quick draw attacks, the shashka can do that. It is even a common technique used by Cossacks.
I think a shashka would work just as well as a katana for a quick draw attack.

Interesting, can you provide proof of this?

To make sure that you understand this. A quick draw is not the speed of drawing out your weapon quick and start fighting.

A quick draw is to unshed your blade and strike to kill all with one stroke. There are reasons why other short swords can do this but very stupid to do because it mess you up at your fight stance and risk getting kill in return.

Yes, a Gladius is possible to do this, but because of the strait blade, your strike is to hope that this short weapon will poke your enemy... chances are your enemy will step one step back you you missed. It is better to just draw out your short sword and start to fight.

I have never heard that any saber can do this and does it as a form of attack.. just because in theory it can.. doesn't mean it should. You might get counter attack and die for this clumsy attempt. No doubt Samurai who actually would do, has been trained and choose to do this because it is a form of attack.

Cold Steel guy does it in this video: (at 0:40, and again more fluidly at 0:50)

Wow nice find. Good to know. I have to say that I am so happy that out of all this debate and after 12pages .. I finally got a respond and OT. Total respect to this weapon. I will have to study more about this weapon. thank you.

Katana .schmatana..yeah its pretty and sharp..blah blah blah..

but if we want to talk a sword sucess story..as a primary weapon...that kicked butts and took names..that adapted, and was never a subject of obsession or angst if broke or lost...it was tool of empire..and likely was one if not the most widespread and widely used sword in history (not sure but it did get around)

I give you the Gladius...


A little sword with big sandles for all the ones that followed it to fill.

you pick up a katana and it feels nice and artistic and is pretty in your hand...but a gladius feels like a tool..a tool, like a hammer..built to do one thing, kill your enemy, practical useful in almost any situation when paired with its scutum buddy..with a combat record to match.

Why use a katana David choe?

The trick is to come to a foe unarmed and while he draws his sword/laughs in your face you punch him in the face and proceed to beat him to death relentlessly.

And if you are wearing plate by chance, then use spiked gauntlets

 Artorias the Abysswalker wrote:

Cold Steel guy does this in his video

No other company has slaughtered as many hollow pigs, cardboard tubes, bamboo sticks or cardboard Spartans. They scare me....

Also I feel kinda stupid since I train with this type of sword. I know its purely an English weapon but why do they call it a "bastard" sword?

The video is not a bastard sword. The bastard sword is the very long and heavy sword. I think (I might be mistaken here) the nick name is bastard sword because the user were usually hard ass warriors and they are just bunch of "bastards".

Why use a katana David choe?

The trick is to come to a foe unarmed and while he draws his sword/laughs in your face you punch him in the face and proceed to beat him to death relentlessly.

And if you are wearing plate by chance, then use spiked gauntlets

david choe wrote:

 Artorias the Abysswalker wrote:

Cold Steel guy does this in his video

No other company has slaughtered as many hollow pigs, cardboard tubes, bamboo sticks or cardboard Spartans. They scare me....

Also I feel kinda stupid since I train with this type of sword. I know its purely an English weapon but why do they call it a "bastard" sword?

The video is not a bastard sword. The bastard sword is the very long and heavy sword. I think (I might be mistaken here) the nick name is bastard sword because the user were usually hard ass warriors and they are just bunch of "bastards".

a "bastard" sword is just another name for a hand and a half sword...between a single handed broad sword etc and a full two hander (claymore..greatsword etc)..the name bastard may be a joke about the design not actually being fully derived from one handed or 2..

thats why I call it a hand and half..or long sword, european sword design had so many branches and schools of thought that one persons twohander could be another persons hand and half...

david choe wrote:

 Artorias the Abysswalker wrote:

Cold Steel guy does this in his video

No other company has slaughtered as many hollow pigs, cardboard tubes, bamboo sticks or cardboard Spartans. They scare me....

Also I feel kinda stupid since I train with this type of sword. I know its purely an English weapon but why do they call it a "bastard" sword?

The video is not a bastard sword. The bastard sword is the very long and heavy sword. I think (I might be mistaken here) the nick name is bastard sword because the user were usually hard ass warriors and they are just bunch of "bastards".

I think its because of the fact that a hand and a half sword bridged the gap between longsword and a claymore, and is the "bastard child" of the two.

Makes sense to me at least


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 Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
Katana .schmatana..yeah its pretty and sharp..blah blah blah..

but if we want to talk a sword sucess story..as a primary weapon...that kicked butts and took names..that adapted, and was never a subject of obsession or angst if broke or lost...it was tool of empire..and likely was one if not the most widespread and widely used sword in history (not sure but it did get around)

I give you the Gladius...


A little sword with big sandles for all the ones that followed it to fill.

you pick up a katana and it feels nice and artistic and is pretty in your hand...but a gladius feels like a tool..a tool, like a hammer..built to do one thing, kill your enemy, practical useful in almost any situation when paired with its scutum buddy..with a combat record to match.

OK ... this is so geeky. But sometime I play fantasy Zombie apocalypse situation in my head and what blade weapon will I choose. Gladius was my choice. I like the one handed and short blade to get close and can still fight... especially inside fighting like in houses. I hate Machete and I think Gladius is the best zombie killer. Not to mention if you have to kill human... this beats machete. Gladius in one hand and pistol in my other hand.

David I wasn't reffering to the video. And I know what a bastard sword is. I've used one for more than two years. And also, it isn't that long and heavy compared to some - take any Great sword except for the Scottish claymore which is surprisingly lighter

 Artorias the Abysswalker wrote:

Also I feel kinda stupid since I train with this type of sword. I know its purely an English weapon but why do they call it a "bastard" sword?

Firstly, because it's quicker to say than "hand and a half sword"

But also, and more importantly, because of it's properties. It wasn't as large as a claymore, nor was it as small/light as a longsword. Many had blades that, from the guard were as long as a single-handed long sword. But, the grips/pommel were lengthened to allow for a two-handed grip. So, it's kind of a "bastard" between a single hand, and two hand weapon.

 Gitzbitah wrote:


Well- I'm speechless. That looks absolutely amazing.

She is rather hot. Just don't be caught in bed with another woman. Not that you would need to if you had that.

David I wasn't reffering to the video. And I know what a bastard sword is. I've used one for more than two years. And also, it isn't that long and heavy compared to some - take any Great sword except for the Scottish claymore which is surprisingly lighter