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There's a reason the Ghurka's were feared, this blade is one of those reasons.
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Ghurka's are feared because they are ghurka's. The kukri is feared because it is in a ghurka's hand. Not the other way round. A ghurka does the disemboweling, the kukri just helps
Helmets, in terms of most impressive it has to be one of the suits of Greenwich armor. Either that or mid saxon. Like the swords of japan that started this whole thing, they raised the production of tools of war to high art. The ones that were the most beautiful may not have been the most effective (Although a suit of Greenwich armor was certainly some of the highest quality smithing ever done) the shear work that went in to them was stunning.
Greenwich armor was so perfectly suited to the combat of the day, with each one being a one off, suited to a particular form of combat. Saxon helmets raised the dress of war to high art. The likes of the work to come out of sutton hoo, and other hordes, not just helmets but shield boss's, swords, jewelery, is just amazing. Mid saxon metalworking reached a peak not seen until the late Tudor era, and gold-smithing never equaled. Even now, with modern tools and machinery, it is difficult to replicate the look and quality of some Saxon work.
insaniak wrote: Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
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n0t_u wrote: I found some historical evidence that clearly shows how the katana is the most superior weapon ever invented.
Excellent historical evidence of katana awesomeness.
The resonance caused by two or more properly made katanas parrying one another is what allows the participants to slow time when they gyrate.
Too bad only modern samurai really understand that, back in the old days they rarely drew out the combats long enough to discover the resonant parrying and unlock the true wonders of katana technology. Thats too bad.
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Actually there is a design of sword that far outmatches the Katana in slicing.
The Greek Kopis.
Thought to be the sword that would later become the Khukri, used by the armies of Alexander of Macedon.
The recurved blade shape and edge geometry are better at slicing than a plain curved blade.
Here is a video from the ever popular Lynn Thompson with tCold Steel's interpretation.
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marv335 wrote: Actually there is a design of sword that far outmatches the Katana in slicing.
The Greek Kopis.
Thought to be the sword that would later become the Khukri, used by the armies of Alexander of Macedon.
The recurved blade shape and edge geometry are better at slicing than a plain curved blade.
Here is a video from the ever popular Lynn Thompson with tCold Steel's interpretation.
too bad it is one handed.. so no. But this weapon beats claymore in jungle fighting and city fighting from house to house and room to room in tight quarter.
There are a number of lethal points when a shallow stab can do serious harm, best example is back of neck. 1/2 inch deep stab is not only mortal but instantly fatal. Major artieries will give a reasonably quick death and are acceable with shallow stabs.
Groin and eyeball stabs don't have to be deep to be horribly effective, but they aren't fatal.
To give a modern example.
Someone bled out silently in re-enactment from shallow cut to the upper inner thigh with a blunted steel re-enactors sword. From eye witnesses the victim took a hit from a steel weapon and lay down and died as per the custom for the show, he didnt collapse accurately, most reenactors (including myself) arentv actors, we just lie on the ground when we take our hit. Trouble is after he got down and played dead, no one realised he wasn't acting anymore. The victim likely didnt even know he was bleeding out,, some wounds for odd reasons dont hurt and it was only when blood seepage was noticed did anyone realise a serious accident had occurred. He bled out before the ambulance arrived.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Okay people, sick and tired of everybody suddenly being a sword expert, kendo practiotioner and whatelse.
The technique is very effective in Japanese culture-in lightning fast duels, seiza postion surprise attacks and generally dirty swordplay. After all, the japanese history is a bloody one.
As for the technique-I absolutely melon-fething GUARANTEE that 99.99% of you dont even know what cutting is. Because I am practicing the movement for several years and sometimes it`s still no good. Most of the times really. When you dumb melon-fethers compare it to a european sword I am left speechless, because european sword isn`t a sword really, it acts more like an axe, it doesnt cut, it crushes with a sharp and thin edge.
And at the end of the day, in the olden times you needed to get out your sword of the sheath as fast as possible in a way that would suit the situation, hence the techniques.
P.S. When some dumb melon-fethers actually try to unsheath a real sword in a quick motion it cuts through the sheath and the next thing you know guy has 4 missing fingers on his left arm. Experts.
There are a number of lethal points when a shallow stab can do serious harm, best example is back of neck. 1/2 inch deep stab is not only mortal but instantly fatal. Major artieries will give a reasonably quick death and are acceable with shallow stabs.
Groin and eyeball stabs don't have to be deep to be horribly effective, but they aren't fatal.
To give a modern example.
Someone bled out silently in re-enactment from shallow cut to the upper inner thigh with a blunted steel re-enactors sword. From eye witnesses the victim took a hit from a steel weapon and lay down and died as per the custom for the show, he didnt collapse accurately, most reenactors (including myself) arentv actors, we just lie on the ground when we take our hit. Trouble is after he got down and played dead, no one realised he wasn't acting anymore. The victim likely didnt even know he was bleeding out,, some wounds for odd reasons dont hurt and it was only when blood seepage was noticed did anyone realise a serious accident had occurred. He bled out before the ambulance arrived.
Sucks man.. In my foil fencing class. We had an accident kind of like this. We fence our foil with rubber T shape tip head. His style of attack was usually fast crazy stab and not really aiming... just quantity over quality method. Anyway.. some how the blade hit the Gym hard wood floor and snap about 1 inch off and then the guy stab again and this time went right threw the front thigh... I mean it went threw! That is about 10" ... it was so fast too. The guy who was stabbed was lucky (kind of) that the attack was low and not in the torso area. He would be dead.
After that incident, we kicked the crazy stabber guy out of the club.
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vWreN wrote: Okay people, sick and tired of everybody suddenly being a sword expert, kendo practiotioner and whatelse.
The technique is very effective in Japanese culture-in lightning fast duels, seiza postion surprise attacks and generally dirty swordplay. After all, the japanese history is a bloody one.
As for the technique-I absolutely melon-fething GUARANTEE that 99.99% of you dont even know what cutting is. Because I am practicing the movement for several years and sometimes it`s still no good. Most of the times really. When you dumb melon-fethers compare it to a european sword I am left speechless, because european sword isn`t a sword really, it acts more like an axe, it doesnt cut, it crushes with a sharp and thin edge.
And at the end of the day, in the olden times you needed to get out your sword of the sheath as fast as possible in a way that would suit the situation, hence the techniques.
P.S. When some dumb melon-fethers actually try to unsheath a real sword in a quick motion it cuts through the sheath and the next thing you know guy has 4 missing fingers on his left arm. Experts.
I like how you call out many posters on the thread for being internetz experts, then you proceed to be an internetz expert yourself. All I know is that after watching American Ninja and Matrix Reloaded, I can safely say that Katanas can stop bullets, all forms of metal, and cars, and probably Martians. In fact thats why the Martians haven't attacked, because we have katanas, and cigarettes. And haggis.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
vWreN wrote: Okay people, sick and tired of everybody suddenly being a sword expert, kendo practiotioner and whatelse.
The technique is very effective in Japanese culture-in lightning fast duels, seiza postion surprise attacks and generally dirty swordplay. After all, the japanese history is a bloody one.
As for the technique-I absolutely melon-fething GUARANTEE that 99.99% of you dont even know what cutting is. Because I am practicing the movement for several years and sometimes it`s still no good. Most of the times really. When you dumb melon-fethers compare it to a european sword I am left speechless, because european sword isn`t a sword really, it acts more like an axe, it doesnt cut, it crushes with a sharp and thin edge.
And at the end of the day, in the olden times you needed to get out your sword of the sheath as fast as possible in a way that would suit the situation, hence the techniques.
P.S. When some dumb melon-fethers actually try to unsheath a real sword in a quick motion it cuts through the sheath and the next thing you know guy has 4 missing fingers on his left arm. Experts.
I like how you call out many posters on the thread for being internetz experts, then you proceed to be an internetz expert yourself.
All I know is that after watching American Ninja and Matrix Reloaded, I can safely say that Katanas can stop bullets, all forms of metal, and cars, and probably Martians. In fact thats why the Martians haven't attacked, because we have katanas, and cigarettes. And haggis.
I disagree... they fear the legendary Excalibur and the heavy plate mail that can stop laser and can fly to the moon.
vWreN wrote: Okay people, sick and tired of everybody suddenly being a sword expert, kendo practiotioner and whatelse.
The technique is very effective in Japanese culture-in lightning fast duels, seiza postion surprise attacks and generally dirty swordplay. After all, the japanese history is a bloody one.
As for the technique-I absolutely melon-fething GUARANTEE that 99.99% of you dont even know what cutting is. Because I am practicing the movement for several years and sometimes it`s still no good. Most of the times really. When you dumb melon-fethers compare it to a european sword I am left speechless, because european sword isn`t a sword really, it acts more like an axe, it doesnt cut, it crushes with a sharp and thin edge.
And at the end of the day, in the olden times you needed to get out your sword of the sheath as fast as possible in a way that would suit the situation, hence the techniques.
P.S. When some dumb melon-fethers actually try to unsheath a real sword in a quick motion it cuts through the sheath and the next thing you know guy has 4 missing fingers on his left arm. Experts.
I like how you call out many posters on the thread for being internetz experts, then you proceed to be an internetz expert yourself.
All I know is that after watching American Ninja and Matrix Reloaded, I can safely say that Katanas can stop bullets, all forms of metal, and cars, and probably Martians. In fact thats why the Martians haven't attacked, because we have katanas, and cigarettes. And haggis.
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vWreN wrote: Okay people, sick and tired of everybody suddenly being a sword expert, kendo practiotioner and whatelse.
The technique is very effective in Japanese culture-in lightning fast duels, seiza postion surprise attacks and generally dirty swordplay. After all, the japanese history is a bloody one.
As for the technique-I absolutely melon-fething GUARANTEE that 99.99% of you dont even know what cutting is. Because I am practicing the movement for several years and sometimes it`s still no good. Most of the times really. When you dumb melon-fethers compare it to a european sword I am left speechless, because european sword isn`t a sword really, it acts more like an axe, it doesnt cut, it crushes with a sharp and thin edge.
And at the end of the day, in the olden times you needed to get out your sword of the sheath as fast as possible in a way that would suit the situation, hence the techniques.
P.S. When some dumb melon-fethers actually try to unsheath a real sword in a quick motion it cuts through the sheath and the next thing you know guy has 4 missing fingers on his left arm. Experts.
I like how you call out many posters on the thread for being internetz experts, then you proceed to be an internetz expert yourself.
All I know is that after watching American Ninja and Matrix Reloaded, I can safely say that Katanas can stop bullets, all forms of metal, and cars, and probably Martians. In fact thats why the Martians haven't attacked, because we have katanas, and cigarettes. And haggis.
I disagree... they fear the legendary Excalibur and the heavy plate mail that can stop laser and can fly to the moon.
Pfft everyone knows heavy plate can only make low orbit. However cavalry armor circa Cromwell could indeed reach Mars. with swords. and haggis.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I don't think your posts are helping at all. Who cares if he doesn't talk about miniature's here, neither do I, I havnt touched a miniature in months does that mean I can't talk in the OFF TOPIC section either? And don't make fun of his spelling, 1 it just make you look like the troll and rather poor at debate, and 2 clearly English is not his first language so cut him some slack
According to him he's American.And As I have said before:why join a miniatures forum just to talk about Anything but miniatures?Talking in off topic is ok but if all you do is talk in off topic why not just join a forum dedicated to whatever you want to scream "but control and sharpness!Niche!" about?And poor at debate? Look at:"Niche!sharpness!control!" if you want to see bad at debate.He even says this isn't a debate.Its just everyone else trying to explain to him that the katana is pretty but not very good.I like star wars. I like ww2 tanks.I did not join the jedi council forums to talk about panzers.When I feel like talking about tanks I will join a ww2 forum.I do not assume that because star wars fans like space battles they will have a different brain to other people. These "gammers"(is that the american term?) Dont automatically know more about swords them people on a sword forum because they like the grim darkness of the far future.
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vWreN wrote: Okay people, sick and tired of everybody suddenly being a sword expert, kendo practiotioner and whatelse.
The technique is very effective in Japanese culture-in lightning fast duels, seiza postion surprise attacks and generally dirty swordplay. After all, the japanese history is a bloody one.
As for the technique-I absolutely melon-fething GUARANTEE that 99.99% of you dont even know what cutting is. Because I am practicing the movement for several years and sometimes it`s still no good. Most of the times really. When you dumb melon-fethers compare it to a european sword I am left speechless, because european sword isn`t a sword really, it acts more like an axe, it doesnt cut, it crushes with a sharp and thin edge.
And at the end of the day, in the olden times you needed to get out your sword of the sheath as fast as possible in a way that would suit the situation, hence the techniques.
We don't have to be William Marshal or Miyamoto Musashi to post in the thread, we have historical documentation to go by. a lot of people on this thread have revealed that they have a informed historical understanding of swordcraft. We also know from previous threads that many here collect swords, or have sword wielding experience, or both, of which I am one. Though many more have put far more hours in than I, and I claim to be no expert swordsman, far from it in fact.
Besides the swords I collect 19th century field rapiers and the swords I trained with (anglo-saxon) are radically different, and I was more the axe and shield guy anyway. That doesn't stop me from knowing a bit about a katana, or samurai culture without being Japanese, or a anime fan or a Kendo master. Nor does any time spent swinging around a saxon sword give me special internet expertise over someone who read about it in a well acredited book.
With some very notable and oft highlighted exceptions, and a fair few joke posts to break the tension there has been good knowledgeable content here. This thread isn't internet commando country.
P.S. When some dumb melon-fethers actually try to unsheath a real sword in a quick motion it cuts through the sheath and the next thing you know guy has 4 missing fingers on his left arm. Experts.
I like how you call out many posters on the thread for being internetz experts, then you proceed to be an internetz expert yourself.
All I know is that after watching American Ninja and Matrix Reloaded, I can safely say that Katanas can stop bullets, all forms of metal, and cars, and probably Martians. In fact thats why the Martians haven't attacked, because we have katanas, and cigarettes. And haggis.
Haggis?
Oh.... right.
In your pique you have done it now, and your secret is finally revealed. The true power of the dachshund legions: feed them haggis. That brutal mix of Germanic and Highland culture in small ankle devouring packets. Fear incarnate..
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Haggis?
Oh.... right.
In your pique you have done it now. Your secret is finally revealed. The true power of the dachshund legions, feed them haggis. That brutal mix of Germanic and Highland culture in small ankle devouring packets. Fear incarnate..
Exactly. Plus Rodney puked up part of a dead bird while I was at a competition yesterday.
I skipped a few pages because it became kind of ragey on the thread (why????). Has the Kilij been discussed yet? The Europeanized version appears really really vicious and an en excellent er counterpoint to a katana.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilij
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I would think, that many of the fighting techniques for the straight blades would be similar to actual European techniques (hitting near the guard, drawing the blade along the target, using the rotation of the swing to create a greater cutting surface)
But then again, it's China, so Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon could very well be a documentary for all we know
But then again, it's China, so Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon could very well be a documentary for all we know
How do you hide a dragon? Give it a camo paint job, angle its scales to deflect radar away from the emitter?
These Chinese people are very sneaky sneak. Should we be worried.
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It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
purplefood wrote: The Gurkhas are scary people and not because of their weapons.
Agreed, but a weapon designed to disembowel on the first thrust is still scary.
Most short swords will do that. You can easily make a messy cut with a gladius, you just need to twist before you draw. I don't know kukri is designed fro the precision slow cut of a gladius though, I suspect not as its a hacking weapon.
The main feature of the kukri is that its very good for cutting jungle plants and combat both, and is lightweight. that and it is still feared, for good reason, in the age of the assault rifle.
Actually, it was documented by a British officer that the first blow Ghurka's often used when in battle using the Kukri was to go for a thrust to the belly and pulling it out in a drawing cut to the side. Also, they weren't just chopping weapons, the shape also makes them good at drawing cuts in general. That all said though, yeah, Ghurka's are terrifying.
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Frazzled wrote: Pfft everyone knows heavy plate can only make low orbit. However cavalry armor circa Cromwell could indeed reach Mars. with swords. and haggis.
So that is how the Martians went extinct... Damn that Cromwell. And haggis.
Actually, it was documented by a British officer that the first blow Ghurka's often used when in battle using the Kukri was to go for a thrust to the belly and pulling it out in a drawing cut to the side. Also, they weren't just chopping weapons, the shape also makes them good at drawing cuts in general. That all said though, yeah, Ghurka's are terrifying.
Yup. Ideally, you want to thrust in, turrn by roughly 45° before going fully in, then pulling out with a side movement at a 45° - 90° angle. You have zero chances to survive such an attack (unless you got a katana of course). As I said, that thing is extremely nasty.
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purplefood wrote: The Gurkhas are scary people and not because of their weapons.
Agreed, but a weapon designed to disembowel on the first thrust is still scary.
Most short swords will do that. You can easily make a messy cut with a gladius, you just need to twist before you draw. I don't know kukri is designed fro the precision slow cut of a gladius though, I suspect not as its a hacking weapon.
The main feature of the kukri is that its very good for cutting jungle plants and combat both, and is lightweight. that and it is still feared, for good reason, in the age of the assault rifle.
Actually, it was documented by a British officer that the first blow Ghurka's often used when in battle using the Kukri was to go for a thrust to the belly and pulling it out in a drawing cut to the side. Also, they weren't just chopping weapons, the shape also makes them good at drawing cuts in general. That all said though, yeah, Ghurka's are terrifying.
I can see this now, thank you for the bit of knowledge. So its not that kukri are unique in this category, its just the angle and technique make is easier to do a visibly grizzly wound that will quickly demoralise everyone else around.
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It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Grey Templar wrote: Because the troops the spanish had were Rodeleros. A very specific type of soldier who used a rapier and a buckler. They were used in conjunction with pikemen as well, their purpose being protecting against troops who closed to within the pikes effective range.
I'd be skeptical of that. Rodeleros were phased out of the Spanish military by the mid 16th century. The primary Spanish infantry formation in 1582 (and the one that the linked Wiki article seems to describe) is the Tercio. While there were swordsmen in the Tercio, there weren't many. The primary power of the formation came from a organized and disciplined pike wall protecting a block of musketeers.
Bit of a late reply but I live on the other side of the world so cut me some slack
Tercios used sword and buckler men to protect the pikes right up until the 17th century, by which time firearm technology had progressed to the point when that was irrelevant. In addition while the spanish in the colonies certainly used tercio like tactics I doubt they were real tercio soldiers. The men in the tercios were considered an elite fighting force used for fighting wars usually on mainland Europe. I don't think many tercio units went out to the colonies.
purplefood wrote: The Gurkhas are scary people and not because of their weapons.
Agreed, but a weapon designed to disembowel on the first thrust is still scary.
Most short swords will do that. You can easily make a messy cut with a gladius, you just need to twist before you draw. I don't know kukri is designed fro the precision slow cut of a gladius though, I suspect not as its a hacking weapon.
The main feature of the kukri is that its very good for cutting jungle plants and combat both, and is lightweight. that and it is still feared, for good reason, in the age of the assault rifle.
Actually, it was documented by a British officer that the first blow Ghurka's often used when in battle using the Kukri was to go for a thrust to the belly and pulling it out in a drawing cut to the side. Also, they weren't just chopping weapons, the shape also makes them good at drawing cuts in general. That all said though, yeah, Ghurka's are terrifying.
I can see this now, thank you for the bit of knowledge. So its not that kukri are unique in this category, its just the angle and technique make is easier to do a visibly grizzly wound that will quickly demoralise everyone else around.
I suspect that a big part of the demoralising effect is not so much the kukri but the Ghurka attached to it. I have met a couple of ex-Ghurkas in my time (one of was a friend of my dad, and two were security guards where I worked) and they were all loverly guys, but I would not mess with them. Very very brave guys and incredibly passionate and proud of what they had done. I wouldn't want to face them on the battlefield.
When you dumb melon-fethers compare it to a european sword I am left speechless, because european sword isn`t a sword really, it acts more like an axe, it doesnt cut, it crushes with a sharp and thin edge.
And at the end of the day, in the olden times you needed to get out your sword of the sheath as fast as possible in a way that would suit the situation, hence the techniques.
It amazes me in the day of the Internet how many myths like the myth of the katana, the myth of the ninja and so on still persist. People still hold the idea that european swords were not sharp, or even that the history of warfare over 4000 years in a whole continent can be reduced to such a broad phrase.
It also amazes me that people can take a discussion about a sword so personaly and start swaring and name calling. It's a sword, not the honor of your first born!
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insaniak wrote: Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
EmilCrane wrote: In addition while the spanish in the colonies certainly used tercio like tactics I doubt they were real tercio soldiers. The men in the tercios were considered an elite fighting force used for fighting wars usually on mainland Europe. I don't think many tercio units went out to the colonies.
I'd definitely agree with that. My guess (as I don't study colonial Spanish stuff) is that the force described in the wikiarticle may have been an adhoc Tercio some military governor threw together to fight the pirates rather than a proper one. The governor likely had military experience (or someone on staff who did) who knew how the formation functioned and could get something similar going in the lack of a trained or experienced force.
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