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 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Friend of mine who works with GW on a project said that what he keeps hearing is there is a lot of inertia against doing Sisters because they don't sell.

At which point I said, wait, like Dark Eldar didn't sell, prior to their relaunch and expansion?

Who knows why GW do anything honestly.

I recently contacted RH about my pledge from last time but have heard nothing back yet.

Maybe they do some kind of market research as seeing how "well" the toughest girls of the galaxy kickstarter went, and though, maybe we should release some Sisters of battle, maybe it just a rumor, but plastic sisters with some sculpts from raging heroes would be cool (one can wish )

What are the chances GW in some way impede Raging Heroes' Sisters? The original TGG kickstarter was for all female scifi troopers which doesn't exactly match up with Imperial Guard / Astra Militarum as that's all male. But are scifi space Sisters close enough for GW to chance action?

Doubtful.

Even more so after the Chapterhouse Debacle too.

Well, if they get someone to fill that legal counsel position.

Good.

Does anyone else see more Menoth than Sororitas in some of the artwork?

I'm just not feeling it for this one. Artwork isn't really calling to me. I suppose my wallet can breathe easy for a while.

 Alpharius wrote:
Doubtful.

Even more so after the Chapterhouse Debacle too.

Yeah but didn't they win that in the end?

migooo wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Doubtful.

Even more so after the Chapterhouse Debacle too.

Yeah but didn't they win that in the end?

Erm, I suppose, if you count having to throw out more than half your claims, then having less than a quarter of the remainder decided in your favour and only avoiding most of those being overturned on appeal by freezing Chapterhouse's assets to force them to leave it at that or go out of business "winning". Even if you do, considering how many millions of pounds it cost them the victory was pyrrhic.

EDIT: And it occurs to me only now this might be one of those occasions when deadpan humour is sailing gracefully over my head like a rich heiress on the family yacht.

 Yodhrin wrote:

migooo wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Doubtful.

Even more so after the Chapterhouse Debacle too.

Yeah but didn't they win that in the end?

Erm, I suppose, if you count having to throw out more than half your claims, then having less than a quarter of the remainder decided in your favour and only avoiding most of those being overturned on appeal by freezing Chapterhouse's assets to force them to leave it at that or go out of business "winning". Even if you do, considering how many millions of pounds it cost them the victory was pyrrhic.

EDIT: And it occurs to me only now this might be one of those occasions when deadpan humour is sailing gracefully over my head like a rich heiress on the family yacht.

At least it was there in the end. I don't think GW own space nuns, I'm sure I saw some in an old TSR catalogue (I think )


Edit no it was minifigs

I always thought they had a healthy dose of Fishspeaker inspiration, to be honest.

Hello. I am your friendly neighborhood KalashnikovMarine, and I will be once again acting as your raging herald for the duration of the second campaign, because Stockholm Syndrome. Tidbits I have gleaned as of now. They will have renders at the launch of the campaign, and more as the campaign proceeds through the two weeks.

Regarding the mecha renders that some people mentioned, those have been released previously, links will be in the other RH thread as it's more on topic there.

I hope you get more info to share than last time.....

I shall be loyally hiding behind a wall watching people throw questions at you

Tell me they bonified the program this time? I don't want to know with what, just tell me they did.

In what sense cheese? Like they're actually going to /use/ us this time? Hell if I know, but it's looking positive, they're asking us for campaign feedback and doing some strategic planning at the low level.

Fun fact: Some people/communities apparently liked their communication levels.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
In what sense cheese? Like they're actually going to /use/ us this time? Hell if I know, but it's looking positive, they're asking us for campaign feedback and doing some strategic planning at the low level.

Fun fact: Some people/communities apparently liked their communication levels.

Really?

Like...who?

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Friend of mine who works with GW on a project said that what he keeps hearing is there is a lot of inertia against doing Sisters because they don't sell.

At which point I said, wait, like Dark Eldar didn't sell, prior to their relaunch and expansion?

Yeah, but Dark Elddar sold really well when they first came out. Sisters never sold well... ever.

It's a big difference when you know you have a struggling product with inherent demand and when you just have a struggling product.

 Alpharius wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
In what sense cheese? Like they're actually going to /use/ us this time? Hell if I know, but it's looking positive, they're asking us for campaign feedback and doing some strategic planning at the low level.

Fun fact: Some people/communities apparently liked their communication levels.

Really?

Like...who?

If you take time to decipher french forums...they loooooove these people, a thing I found out when i was looking for more information during the last campaign

Which forums? I need to practice my french so...

 Alpharius wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
In what sense cheese? Like they're actually going to /use/ us this time? Hell if I know, but it's looking positive, they're asking us for campaign feedback and doing some strategic planning at the low level.

Fun fact: Some people/communities apparently liked their communication levels.

Really?

Like...who?

There's three or four heralds saying that their communities liked it the way they were doing. Obviously dakka (and I) disagree). Their stated goals will be near daily updates during the campaign and a minimum of one update a month during fulfillment.

Regarding the wording in the backer update for TGG1 that has a lot of people worried about financial status:
Herald Mode: They're hopefully going to do another backer update just to clarify, but RH is saying in an official channel to us, the remaining Heralds who haven't suffered a stroke yet, that the phrasing in the last email was a poorly done/clumsy translation and does not accurately reflect the status of the company.

Personal Opinion: I believe the intent was more along the lines of this KS being the launch pad that will bring them into a more serious realm to have a legit gaming system to go with their minis, and really have a fully fleshed out range, then implying dire straits for the company. So critical in a positive sense, not a negative one. That is 100% speculation on my part however.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Yeah, but Dark Elddar sold really well when they first came out. Sisters never sold well... ever.

No gak - when the Dark Eldar came out, not buying Dark Eldar meant not buying the game. They were in the 3rd Edition starter box. They have never been supported as poorly as the Sisters have - right from day 1, they had multiple plastic kits.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Yeah, but Dark Elddar sold really well when they first came out. Sisters never sold well... ever.

No gak - when the Dark Eldar came out, not buying Dark Eldar meant not buying the game. They were in the 3rd Edition starter box. They have never been supported as poorly as the Sisters have - right from day 1, they had multiple plastic kits.

You don't understand. They sold really well on their own too. But GW also knew people wanted Dark Eldar because Chaos Eldar armies had been pretty prevalent at Games Day/Golden Daemon, etc.

Regardless, people believe this myth that the Dark Eldar and the Sisters are comparable product lines, but they aren't. The Sisters acually have an identical product history to the Necrons. Debuted in White Dwarf, minimal product line limited to 4 basic units, and all in metal. This was not a liability, because at the time, all armies were metal with the exception of a handful of low-detail troop units. And yet the Necrons became a real, full army with plastic units, and the Sisters did not. It would be foolish to assume that choice was abritrary and not based on their sales performance.

The Dark Eldar came back because GW knew people wanted them. GW made more Necrons because they knew people wanted them. GW gave people more Sisters in 2003, and nobody wanted them.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
In what sense cheese? Like they're actually going to /use/ us this time? Hell if I know, but it's looking positive, they're asking us for campaign feedback and doing some strategic planning at the low level.

Fun fact: Some people/communities apparently liked their communication levels.

Really?

Like...who?

There's three or four heralds saying that their communities liked it the way they were doing. Obviously dakka (and I) disagree). Their stated goals will be near daily updates during the campaign and a minimum of one update a month during fulfillment.

Regarding the wording in the backer update for TGG1 that has a lot of people worried about financial status:
Herald Mode: They're hopefully going to do another backer update just to clarify, but RH is saying in an official channel to us, the remaining Heralds who haven't suffered a stroke yet, that the phrasing in the last email was a poorly done/clumsy translation and does not accurately reflect the status of the company.

Personal Opinion: I believe the intent was more along the lines of this KS being the launch pad that will bring them into a more serious realm to have a legit gaming system to go with their minis, and really have a fully fleshed out range, then implying dire straits for the company. So critical in a positive sense, not a negative one. That is 100% speculation on my part however.

Ahhh, thanks for sharing the clarification.

I can confirm that French forums (as in, those in France, nothing my side of the Atlantic) were over the moon extatic about Raging Heroes. They were the best thing since sliced bread/the second coming of Christ/Johnny Halliday all rolled into one.

At the same time, there was some serious hate towards English forums such as Dakka and TMP. We were just mean trolls out to tarnish their reputation and some such.

After having seen a guy's army on Devianart, I gotta say I am less than impressed by the overall look of the minis. The jailbirds troops have some serious hip-ratio problems, and those that have their legs akimbo are the worse offenders. Plus they must be really, really tall. The guy had them stuck in the bases at weird angles, so I won't blame RH for that, but the many, many leg sets that are "running" (sauntering might be a better term) mostly end up looking wonky. Maybe none of them* are runners, but they give "running like a girl" a whole new level of insulting.

*the RH people.

What kinds of hip problems? Now I want to see the minis for myself.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I can confirm that French forums (as in, those in France, nothing my side of the Atlantic) were over the moon extatic about Raging Heroes. They were the best thing since sliced bread/the second coming of Christ/Johnny Halliday all rolled into one.

At the same time, there was some serious hate towards English forums such as Dakka and TMP. We were just mean trolls out to tarnish their reputation and some such.

After having seen a guy's army on Devianart, I gotta say I am less than impressed by the overall look of the minis. The jailbirds troops have some serious hip-ratio problems, and those that have their legs akimbo are the worse offenders. Plus they must be really, really tall. The guy had them stuck in the bases at weird angles, so I won't blame RH for that, but the many, many leg sets that are "running" (sauntering might be a better term) mostly end up looking wonky. Maybe none of them* are runners, but they give "running like a girl" a whole new level of insulting.

*the RH people.

A link to those minis would be great, I for one would be interested in seeing what works and what doesn't.

~iPaint

Let me fetch if. Back in 2 minutes.

Edit: Linky. http://majere613.deviantart.com/art/TGG-The-3rd-Trojan-Renegades-first-muster-519294418

Mobile poses aside, loving the look of the army.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
After having seen a guy's army on Devianart, I gotta say I am less than impressed by the overall look of the minis. The jailbirds troops have some serious hip-ratio problems, and those that have their legs akimbo are the worse offenders. Plus they must be really, really tall. The guy had them stuck in the bases at weird angles, so I won't blame RH for that, but the many, many leg sets that are "running" (sauntering might be a better term) mostly end up looking wonky. Maybe none of them* are runners, but they give "running like a girl" a whole new level of insulting.

The only one I'm seeing a huge hip issue is the Admiral Olga, not entirely sure what is going on there. I do agree that the angle shots though does make them look a bit off. It isn't really the way they were on the bases as opposed to the angle the camera is to the pictures, they aren't from the front but shot at an angle from upper view. The paint job, although ok, doesn't help much though. I'll have to look at mine and compare them but I didn't see any huge issues initially but I mostly just have Kurganova Shock Troops and Iron Empire troopers

I am not seeing the issue. In fact quite the opposite, looking at the dark eldar in that same link makes the GW minis look squat and awkward.