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Salty, but interesting

PENDING Warhammer Fantasy Rumors - July 2015

via anonymous sources on Faeit 212
I’m hesitant to call it a “Summer Campaign”, because a majority of the
bigger stuff will come out after the summer is over, but the big new
selling point of AoS is going to be vast narrative campaigns and story
arcs. The Realmgate War is going to be the first of these campaigns.

Future campaigns might be more focused, but RgW is primarily going to a
walking tour of the new setting. The release pattering is going to be
formulaic: Here’s the new world (Sans Azyr and Chaos, we go to them during
the final), here’s the evil force that’s making everyone’s life awful,
here’s the good force that’s going to liberate them. Inky, Blinky, Pinky,
and Clyde each get their own named faction, and The Horned Rat and Nagash
will each get their respective 15 minutes of fame.

Once all the new factions are introduced, and the war scrolls proper are
put up, that’s when we finally get the BrB. Don’t think of this as 9th
edition, think of this as the first expansion to Age of Sigmar. It’ll be
much smaller than a core rulebook, but larger than a codex, and will look
and feel a lot like the Horus Heresy books from FW. There will be rules
for list building, missions, campaigns, as well as all the “advanced
rules”, more rules for gods, magic, heroes, loot, more terrain abilities,
and special rules for games on specific realm. Then there’s going to be a
few weeks of 40k, followed by a few weeks to wrap up the Realmgate War.
The conclusion will take the form of an actual, factual summer campaign, as
the forces of order launch an assault on the forces of chaos undecided on
their home turf, all while death and destruction go around making sure
everyone’s having a bad day.

Then a few months later the cycle starts again. There’s going to be a few
weeks of breathing time, setting up the campaigns, introducing characters,
factions, and whatnot, followed by an expansion book that’ll expand on the
rules and let people play their own mini campaigns, followed then a big
conclusion with plenty of heroic deaths and things going south for everyone.

This should help you solve your problem Melissia.
http://www.actonecostumes.net/bms41b.html

I might start a dwarf army just so I can wear it.

That sounds rather plausible, Pretre.

If that's true, they're really drawing heavily in how WMH do business.

 Melissia wrote:

Norsed wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

Norsed wrote:
But you really don't have to be a loud smelly neckbeard to do well in AoS.

... I literally have to have a beard to gain the full benefit of my Thane's combat abilities. If the person I battle against even has so much as a five o'clock shadow, RAW says I do not benefit from the Honour of the Clan rules. Even if it's true that many people are willing to ignore this kind of stupid, that still means I'm basically rolling the dice and hoping that I don't face off against TFG, where other people don't have to.

I don't really see that losing one minor advantage in a game without inherent balance is much of a problem.

It IS a fething problem because it's misogynistic bs, thoughtlessly thrown in by jackasses who don't care about the game.

Seriously tempted to photoshop one of those old-timey storefront pictures with a GW sign and change the window poster to "No Chicks. No Autistics. No Shys. No Competitives.", because that's the vibe all these little "funny" F-U's AoS contains is giving off.

 Nicorex wrote:
This should help you solve your problem Melissia.
http://www.actonecostumes.net/bms41b.html

I might start a dwarf army just so I can wear it.

Ahem:

 Melissia wrote:
I do not want to have to be the bearded lady for the sake of playing with plastic fething soldiers, thank you very much.

If that's what it comes down to, I'll simply stop building up my Dwarf army.

 Hulksmash wrote:

 Melissia wrote:


So how does this work with low-quality spam units, like goblins, skink, or skaven, compared to high-quality models like Bret Knights or WoCs?

Well to start Bret Knights and WoC's are 2 wounds instead of 1 so you get twice as many skaven/skink/goblins.

In general I think people are underestimating the combat phase. Just selecting the right order for your combats is going to be huge. It's something I noticed because of Wrath of Kings but combat is incredibly interesting now. Also baiting is going to be a huge part of this.

Honestly if it wasn't for a lack of army building mechanism this game would be very good (not perfect by any means).

But then the poor outnumbered elite unit like bret knights or WoC get the sudden death benefit over the powerful skink/goblin/skaven etc...

 Nicorex wrote:
This should help you solve your problem Melissia.
http://www.actonecostumes.net/bms41b.html

I might start a dwarf army just so I can wear it.

That's a bit much...

double post...some how

How do you think I feel with greaseus rules I have to bargin with the enemy to make them except the bribe lol. My plan is simple except or get a old fashion metal night goblin shoved up your...

Seems full proof

then a big
conclusion with plenty of heroic deaths and things going south for everyone.

Things are already going south, and it hasn't even bloody started yet!!

While it's been said before, I seriously get the vibe that AoS is just a good excuse for them to sell fantasy Space Marines.

I mean, really- chosen heroes are reforged into much more powerful forms by their God-Emperor, to go forth and wage a holy war against the forces of Chaos, who hold sway over the realms and the innocent, tortured masses.

Which game am even talking about, again? 40K or fantasy?

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

then a big
conclusion with plenty of heroic deaths and things going south for everyone.

Things are already going south, and it hasn't even bloody started yet!!

Indeed, all these posts telling Mellisia to essentially "deal with it" seem like a new low for this thread.

 Breotan wrote:
Actually, Lockark, it seems more like they want to turn it into a party game where everyone is more interested in having fun than playing a mature strategy game. Beer and Pretzels, if you will.

I really wish we could decouple the idea that fun = not serious/not mature/not competitive.

Every time I read "...if you just want to have fun instead of playing serious/competitive/whatever..." I want to bash my head against the keyboard because the whole idea is so absurd yet gets repeated so many times. Playing a game of "measure the beard" or "guess which hand" or a staring contest is not my idea of fun.

It's right up there with "...if you play with people who are reasonable then the rules are fine...." as if somehow people who don't like fixing wonky rules aren't reasonable.

Can we take the beard talk to the beard thread?
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/654969.page

Apparantly FW will be supporting AoS with some releases but no idea what's coming yet.

 Melissia wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Well to start Bret Knights and WoC's are 2 wounds instead of 1 so you get twice as many skaven/skink/goblins.

So a Bretonnian Grail Knight, iwth two wounds, is equal to two skaven slaves?

I was more shocked that all Bretonnian knights only have a 4+ save, yes they have 2 wounds but there survivability appears to be a lot less against units with rending, like great swords.

I was discussing AoS last night with a friend and it semed pretty obvious to us that GW would do exactly what this new rumour says:

"Here is the Realm of X, here lives the majority of race Y under the yoke of Chaos, now the Sigmarines and the remnants of race Y that hid on Azyr (that's your old minis for race Y) show up and help them to overthrow the masters. Enjoy these new minis for your familiar race Y but with a new design aesthetic to represent their new culture after 500 years of slavery under Chaos."



Which sounds totally awesome to me, FWIW.

Relapse wrote:
I was just told the Mantic website was crashing a lot because of all the traffic happening on it. I know I was having trouble getting in to see stuff.
Any comfirmations?

Talked to Ronnie, and he really has been blown away. They're having to order more of the books because preorders sky-rocketed in the last week. He was sincere, and caught off guard.

OgreChubbs wrote:

Meh I get called a troll, evil or a plant daily so no worries. But I will say this GW is watching these forums I can't say who tho

I doubt they do, that would almost qualify as customer research! Then again, it would be perfectly GW way of doing things; publish first, research after. Then again, GW did send out some advance copies so..

FWIW, I don't believe mr. Norsed to be a plant. Any GW troll would probably stick with 'narrative is better' line of arguments, as that's what GW is pushing.

zacharia wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:

 Melissia wrote:


So how does this work with low-quality spam units, like goblins, skink, or skaven, compared to high-quality models like Bret Knights or WoCs?

Well to start Bret Knights and WoC's are 2 wounds instead of 1 so you get twice as many skaven/skink/goblins.

In general I think people are underestimating the combat phase. Just selecting the right order for your combats is going to be huge. It's something I noticed because of Wrath of Kings but combat is incredibly interesting now. Also baiting is going to be a huge part of this.

Honestly if it wasn't for a lack of army building mechanism this game would be very good (not perfect by any means).

But then the poor outnumbered elite unit like bret knights or WoC get the sudden death benefit over the powerful skink/goblin/skaven etc...

Which so far has been shown to be much harder to achieve than you'd think just reading them based on the battle reports I've been reading. I'm not saying there aren't issues (there are) but I am saying I think people are overstating them a bit.

Still won't be able to play it to often due to no army building mechanism so tournament likely won't happen (which is where I get in most of my games) but I do think the actual rules are pretty good.

 pretre wrote:
Salty, but interesting

PENDING Warhammer Fantasy Rumors - July 2015

via anonymous sources on Faeit 212
I’m hesitant to call it a “Summer Campaign”, because a majority of the
bigger stuff will come out after the summer is over, but the big new
selling point of AoS is going to be vast narrative campaigns and story
arcs. The Realmgate War is going to be the first of these campaigns.

Spoiler:

Future campaigns might be more focused, but RgW is primarily going to a
walking tour of the new setting. The release pattering is going to be
formulaic: Here’s the new world (Sans Azyr and Chaos, we go to them during
the final), here’s the evil force that’s making everyone’s life awful,
here’s the good force that’s going to liberate them. Inky, Blinky, Pinky,
and Clyde each get their own named faction, and The Horned Rat and Nagash
will each get their respective 15 minutes of fame.

Once all the new factions are introduced, and the war scrolls proper are
put up, that’s when we finally get the BrB. Don’t think of this as 9th
edition, think of this as the first expansion to Age of Sigmar. It’ll be
much smaller than a core rulebook, but larger than a codex, and will look
and feel a lot like the Horus Heresy books from FW. There will be rules
for list building, missions, campaigns, as well as all the “advanced
rules”, more rules for gods, magic, heroes, loot, more terrain abilities,
and special rules for games on specific realm. Then there’s going to be a
few weeks of 40k, followed by a few weeks to wrap up the Realmgate War.
The conclusion will take the form of an actual, factual summer campaign, as
the forces of order launch an assault on the forces of chaos undecided on
their home turf, all while death and destruction go around making sure
everyone’s having a bad day.

Then a few months later the cycle starts again. There’s going to be a few
weeks of breathing time, setting up the campaigns, introducing characters,
factions, and whatnot, followed by an expansion book that’ll expand on the
rules and let people play their own mini campaigns, followed then a big
conclusion with plenty of heroic deaths and things going south for everyone.

Well, if true that is pretty cool. I'd dig both the RgW campaign and an "advanced rulebook" with army building guidelines, loot tables and such. But... anonymous sources...

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

Relapse wrote:
I was just told the Mantic website was crashing a lot because of all the traffic happening on it. I know I was having trouble getting in to see stuff.
Any comfirmations?

Talked to Ronnie, and he really has been blown away. They're having to order more of the books because preorders sky-rocketed in the last week. He was sincere, and caught off guard.

See there's always a positive side to everything. If Mantic is clever AOS is a win for them.
Teach your young ones with AOS and then let them build a KOW army

Bottle is right though the idea of doing several small themed warbands for every faction is strong in AOS ( did anyone mentioned a Minotaur only warband? Cool!)... So GW did this right, if they are aiming for small collectible groups of minis in box sets this is one way to do it.
I would prefer a more juicy skirmish though, yet this fills a very specific purpose I guess.

zacharia wrote:

Norsed wrote:


Hey, I generally despise GW and the way they've acted since they became a corporate entity. But suddenly, everything I hated about the last few editions of warhammer has suddenly gone. It's like they've been listening to my dreams or something. They've even managed to put stuff in there I didn't even know I wanted. Of course, there are a few wrinkles - this is GW after all, they always manage to find something to cock up. But on the whole I like it. I'm still sticking to rogue trader for my 40k though. I'm posting in this thread 'cos it's the one that's up on my phone and I'm posting in between bits of work. Can't be bothered to trawl through everything else plus there are a lot of people on thus thread who annoy me, which is probably not the best reason to post but there we go.

But go ahead, proclaim me a plant. Means you don't have to bother acknowledging anything I say. It'll certainly make it easier for you.

You despise GW yet you only joined 4 days ago and have made over 60 posts, all in this thread, all defending gw...

No one needs to label you a plant, you made it obvious yourself!

Norsed: What GW did to Warhammer's background...

I have to admit that I like the tentative idea of using Wounds to judge the size of and army. It still would require a good-natured pair of friends to have a truly fun game, but that's always been true.

I still dunno about the fluff, though. It just grates on my nerves. I have only a middling knowledge of the deeper parts of the Warhammer fluff, but it seems like it'd be easier to restart Warhammer in a rules-sense exactly like has been done, but to simply introduce the Eternals as a new faction by having the fluff be that right on the edge of cataclysm, Sigmar himself arrives at front of a host of Angel-soldiers to fight back against the Chaos Gods, with the Old World as the battlefield (obviously this woiuld be a rewrite of the last part of the End Times).

To do this they open a "realmgate" from wherever Sigmar has been all these long years, smack right in the middle of a part of the Old World and begin sallying forth. It's be like in the Marvel Comic Universe when a buddy told me that Asgard itself lands directly on Earth.

The narrative of combining armies would be that in addition to new alliances being forged, after the beachhead is achieved by the Eternals, they immediately spread in small groups to act as support to all the races of "good", so that's why you could have an army of Bretonnian knights with a unit or two as Eternals.

Shattering the Old World and throwing away all that fluff is easily worse than any deficiency of the new rules. Keep the damn fluff and make new rules!

 Eldarain wrote:

zacharia wrote:

Norsed wrote:


Hey, I generally despise GW and the way they've acted since they became a corporate entity. But suddenly, everything I hated about the last few editions of warhammer has suddenly gone. It's like they've been listening to my dreams or something. They've even managed to put stuff in there I didn't even know I wanted. Of course, there are a few wrinkles - this is GW after all, they always manage to find something to cock up. But on the whole I like it. I'm still sticking to rogue trader for my 40k though. I'm posting in this thread 'cos it's the one that's up on my phone and I'm posting in between bits of work. Can't be bothered to trawl through everything else plus there are a lot of people on thus thread who annoy me, which is probably not the best reason to post but there we go.

But go ahead, proclaim me a plant. Means you don't have to bother acknowledging anything I say. It'll certainly make it easier for you.

You despise GW yet you only joined 4 days ago and have made over 60 posts, all in this thread, all defending gw...

No one needs to label you a plant, you made it obvious yourself!

Norsed: What GW did to Warhammer's background...

Yeah, I really wish they hadn't. On the other hand, I get Einherjar now. Which is kind of cool I guess. Also the new stuff looks like Hammerfall vs Manowar. Which are both things that I like...

yeah,
Maybe after everyone is on board with AOS and it's sold well they will re-release WFB.
'AOSpocolpsysys'

Sigmar wins and pulls the planet back together and everyone will need to be rebased on square bases.

Panic...

Putting rules about having mustaches and beards in was insensitive, I doubt anyone dosagrees with that, and it can probably be left there for the sake of sanity

 Sidstyler wrote:
@mikhaila: I appreciate your response, I was afraid for a minute that my post would start an argument and was wondering if I should even bother with it at first. I understand where you're coming from better than I did before, though.

I still disagree with people who are now trying to claim Age of Sigmar is a party game or that it's obviously not meant to be taken seriously, because that's not how it's being presented by GW at all. We have some of the best quality artwork GW has ever put out, models that GW claim are the best quality they have ever produced, a trailer/model showcase with epic displays and an epic soundtrack to go along with it, some really nice, new terrain for the game that is likewise probably some of the best they've ever produced...GW isn't trying to sell this as a goofy party game. If I didn't know any better and I bought into this after playing a demo game, only to start discovering the stupid clown antics and gak in the free rules later when I got home, I'd be furious and promptly cancel my pre-order, demanding my money back. If I want a silly "party game" experience I already have that with other, much cheaper games that were made for it, like Munchkin or Cards Against Humanity. But that's not what I bought into GW games for, that's not what people who bought into WHF previously wanted, and if this is just how things are going to be then I guess it's time for me to spend money elsewhere. 40k has already been moving to something like this anyway and I imagine it's only a matter of time now. I won't be buying new models when that comes to pass and will adapt old rules if I feel the need to keep playing the game at that point.

Most likely though I see myself selling everything and just moving on. Never would have thought of it before, but I don't see myself having any enthusiasm to finish my Tau or finish all three flavors of Eldar I have lying around when the rules start giving my hammerheads bonuses to hit for slapping my opponent with a fish or showing up to the game wearing bondage gear to get re-rolls to hit and wound with wyches.

I wouldn't worry too much about 40k. (Might be wrong, and if so I'll pick you up on my way to burn GW HQ). 40k is currently the bulk of GW's profits. Compromising those profits is a huge risk vs changing around WFB that was having poor sales, or dropping LOTR that has worse. And think of FW and 30k. FW makes very little WFB models, and it's mostly a collectors market and can remain that way. But their 40k line is 99.9% of FW.

 Bull0 wrote:
Putting rules about having mustaches and beards in was insensitive, I doubt anyone dosagrees with that, and it can probably be left there for the sake of sanity

What?

Is this sarcasm? I can't tell anymore.

40k will probably be Sigmarized

NoggintheNog wrote:

Spoiler:

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:

Mymearan wrote:


Yeah the lack of female representation apart from a 40k faction that literally consists of "sexy nuns" is my biggest problem with GW by far. Such bs.

On what basis should female representation be a big part of what GW presents? I've looked through the last few pages and seen the word 'mysogyny' brought up as part of the general GW bashing. Seriously?!? I know GW does a lot of things wrong (and a lot of things right by the way) but this angle is ridiculous and has nothing to do with the problems with AoS

I think having a special rule for an existing character that, if you follow the rules as written mean women can never make use of the rule is pretty bad. Not sure I'd say it is misogyny though, more incompetence and insular thinking that is a trademark of GW, they all thought it was funny, they don't play test, so the idea of someone playing who isnt the same as the inhabitants of the studio never occurs to them. That attitude is, I'm certain, precisely why they don't think any way of balancing the game is needed either by the way.

Yeah but trying to indicate that a rule stating you have to have a beard to get the bonus means it is mysogynistic is just overdoing it. From reading a few other things in the thread I believe GW has also put in new rules such as having to jump up and down and other stuff like shouting out stuff; by the same logic those rules are discriminating against people with the inability to jump up and down or speak...

I do agree with you on the incompetence thing though as the new rules for all the old models gives a serious insight into the company's thoughts on the existing players: Serious (although arguably simple and uninteresting) rules for the new shiny stuff...frivolous and badly thought out rules for all the old stuff.