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Hodor's end is now in my top 3 events in tv/movie that almost made muh eyes rain.

Iron Giant's sacrifice
Baymax's sacrifice
....and now Hodor....

:(

I can honestly say, that episode was the first time I have ever been shocked by a tv series. Fething GoT..

 nels1031 wrote:
Also, did Littlefingers "Half Brother" comment lead anyone else to think that he may know Jon's full parentage? Just seemed weird that he'd mention it out of hand.

Like I said earlier in the thread, it's possible, but it'd stretch my willing suspension of disbelief. There were people in better position to know who didn't.

Besides, for all anyone knows, half-brother is just a statement of fact, and clearly his play here is to try to drive a wedge between her and Jon (she may have already blabbed to him that they weren't close, a fact that was underlined in the reunion episode) in order to bring her back to him.


Regarding the Walker origin, I feel like when GRRM gets to that material...someday...it will probably be more nuanced and complex than in the show. It doesn't make any sense for the Night's King mentioned in the books to be the first WW/Other (and it's been confirmed that the show version is that by the show's writers) or even their leader based on what we know about him. And the writers have also talked about the NK being the "embodiment of evil" or something like that, and GRRM famously doesn't like simple good/evil stories.

It would be a good time for Coldhands to show up...but I just think that ship has passed with Lady Stoneheart also on board.

I think so much of Bran's story might have had to do with Winds of Winter that they were waiting for the actual book to come out. I mean, it had been 5 years at that point. When it wasn't going to come out and they were going to move forward with the series with them writing it they slotted him back in to help with background and fit the story they were telling going forward.

Personally I was super sad about Summer. If Shaggydog is really dead that's all the dire wolves except Nymeria (who they've completely forgotten) and Ghost (who only appears magically once every 3 years on a full moon!). Also the Hodor thing was super sad.

Good episode. I don't think Baelish knows who Jon is. If he did he'd be playing things differently. Interesting that Sansa is still a bit skittish about Jon but to be fair she's had it rough the last few years. She might have a few trust issues this point

Good episode. Outside of Dorne the show really has blown-up with it being interesting and forward moving again. The wife is actually interested in the show again where she was losing steam the last 2 seasons.

Was just thinking... since the people killed by walkers & undead come back as zombie-things... does that mean Hodor will too? And those elfy girls, except maybe the one that exploded herself?

One part of the fight that I thought was kind of dumb was where one of the girls threw a wimpy little spear at a white walker and killed it super easy. Aren't they supposed to be a lot tougher than that?

 Necros wrote:
Was just thinking... since the people killed by walkers & undead come back as zombie-things... does that mean Hodor will too? And those elfy girls, except maybe the one that exploded herself?

One part of the fight that I thought was kind of dumb was where one of the girls threw a wimpy little spear at a white walker and killed it super easy. Aren't they supposed to be a lot tougher than that?

Dragonglass spear...kills ice wizards dead.

 Necros wrote:
One part of the fight that I thought was kind of dumb was where one of the girls threw a wimpy little spear at a white walker and killed it super easy. Aren't they supposed to be a lot tougher than that?

It was Meera and it was tipped with dragonglass/obsidian (which she got from Sam a few seasons ago), which kills them instantly.

EDIT: Ninja'd by gorgon!

 Necros wrote:
Was just thinking... since the people killed by walkers & undead come back as zombie-things... does that mean Hodor will too? And those elfy girls, except maybe the one that exploded herself?

One part of the fight that I thought was kind of dumb was where one of the girls threw a wimpy little spear at a white walker and killed it super easy. Aren't they supposed to be a lot tougher than that?

The spear she threw was probably Dragonglass, like the stuff Sam found North of the wall and used to kill that one dude that one time.

The zombies are raised by white walkers. Being killed by undead isn't enough. You need a white walker to pull a dramatic pose.




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So we might get a zombie hodor.

A Zodor.

ZODOR!

Zodor vs. Ser Robert Strong...who wins?

 Necros wrote:
Why couldn't they use their holy hand grenades to colapse the tunnel, so they all could escape or at least buy them a lot more time to get away?

They had one left and it wasn't enough to close the tunnel. I figure that was what she was going for, but it didn't work.

In memorial to Hodor:

http://youtubedoubler.com/?video1=mM0-ZU8njdo&start1=17&video2=cwE-5JjPvtE&start2=0&authorName=JungleJames

 pretre wrote:

 Necros wrote:
Why couldn't they use their holy hand grenades to colapse the tunnel, so they all could escape or at least buy them a lot more time to get away?

They had one left and it wasn't enough to close the tunnel. I figure that was what she was going for, but it didn't work.

They did toss a few dozen. Perhaps if they had used ALL of them in the corridor, it would have collapsed. Dunno.

Great episode. Sad about Summer and Hodor, and future Zodor (C) TM (R). Also, Jora the Explorer is off again.

I liked the preview for next week. gak is going down at the Great Sept!

So I have a few images from the trailer,

Which may be relevant to the next few episodes.

Based off the scenes for next episode, I think Mr. Morden should............................................................not watch!

That can happen when you like only 1 storyline out of about 8.


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 kronk wrote:
Great episode. Sad about Summer and Hodor, and future Zodor (C) TM (R).

Maybe down the road we'll get to see Zummer (C)(R)(TM).

 gorgon wrote:
ZODOR!

Zodor vs. Ser Robert Strong...who wins?

Don't you take my hope of cleganebowl away with a zodor vs ser strong matchup

Alas, poor Hodor.
There is still time for a miraculous intervention though. Something special is certainly needed to save Bran at least.

 gorgon wrote:
That can happen when you like only 1 storyline out of about 8.

Or don't have a problem with strong female characters.........wierd that............. or don;t want to emulate the books and have every minor pointless nobody to have their own hour on screen.............

Not seen the espiode yet but the hints above all sound good.

 Silent Puffin? wrote:
Alas, poor Hodor.
There is still time for a miraculous intervention though. Something special is certainly needed to save Bran at least.

Cold hands for sure.


Also (pretty big image so mobile viewers beware)

 Silent Puffin? wrote:
Alas, poor Hodor.
There is still time for a miraculous intervention though. Something special is certainly needed to save Bran at least.

This might be the time to finally see Coldhands.

The other question I have seen is the possibility of the mark on Bran removing the magical protection from the wall as well.

Nah, I think the Horn of Jorgmund or whatever its precise spelling will destroy the wall.

I'm trying to figure out whether this weeks episode completely demolishes my theory or reinforces it...

The weird thing is, that it seems to confirm that the Dire Wolves are completely irrelevant, which is super odd.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
That can happen when you like only 1 storyline out of about 8.

Or don't have a problem with strong female characters.........wierd that............. or don;t want to emulate the books and have every minor pointless nobody to have their own hour on screen.............

I like them just fine and I'm similarly fine with female empowerment themes when they're handled well, like in Mad Max: Fury Road. What's been going on this season in GoT is slightly clumsy IMO and feels like an attempt to make up for the negativity they brought on last season when they had a leading female character assaulted onscreen -- something that doesn't happen in the books, mind you -- for shock value (i.e. ratings) and not story function.

 Ustrello wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
ZODOR!

Zodor vs. Ser Robert Strong...who wins?

Don't you take my hope of cleganebowl away with a zodor vs ser strong matchup

We just need a fourth so they can go tag-team. Maybe Areo Hotah survived or can be turned into Zareo.

Bran went from boring to a grade as donkey-cave, certainly there was a better way for him to escape.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Bran went from boring to a grade as donkey-cave, certainly there was a better way for him to escape.

Take it up with Martin. The show writers took this directly from him.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Bran went from boring to a grade as donkey-cave, certainly there was a better way for him to escape.

In fairness it was a complete accident.

It could be Coldhands, but it could also be Benjen. He's still out there, probably tracking the movements of the White Walkers.

The only part of the episode that bothered me was the White Walker origin story. While it works alright for the show this way, Martin's original descriptions of them were much grander. They had their own language, religion, and motivations that the show seems to be replacing with "a WMD that went rogue."

 Dr. What wrote:
It could be Coldhands, but it could also be Benjen. He's still out there, probably tracking the movements of the White Walkers.

The only part of the episode that bothered me was the White Walker origin story. While it works alright for the show this way, Martin's original descriptions of them were much grander. They had their own language, religion, and motivations that the show seems to be replacing with "a WMD that went rogue."

Well... we're talking something that happened 10,000 years prior to the present events, and they have lived isolated from all of society during that period. Nothing at all implausible about all of that stuff still.

Show writers at the end of the show were pretty much saying all of the Bran stuff was taken right from Martin, which says to me it's pretty damn canon.

How many Stark kids' wolves are left now? Just Jon's?

 Necros wrote:
How many Stark kids' wolves are left now? Just Jon's?

Arya's is roaming wild in the books.

 Necros wrote:
How many Stark kids' wolves are left now? Just Jon's?

Ghost , who is with Jon, and Nymeria, who is currently leading a super-pack somewhere in the riverlands.

I still think that was a fake Shaggydog too...