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 Commodus Leitdorf wrote:
Tywin was right, she's not as smart as she thinks she is.

Exactly this. My wife and I have been saying that most of the past 2 seasons. She has been playing her cards poorly.

 Commodus Leitdorf wrote:
Yeah as much as the High Sparrow rubs me the wrong way, I do want Cersei to get whats coming to her. Tywin was right, she's not as smart as she thinks she is.

I kinda want to see Cersei lose, then the Sparrow try his spiel on Dany. Would make a great Episode 1 for the next season.

Dany has the Priestess of the Lord of Light on her side now.

Doubtless they would be happy to have a chat with the High Septon and his followers.

If she is lucky they will elimate each other.

 kronk wrote:

 Commodus Leitdorf wrote:
Tywin was right, she's not as smart as she thinks she is.

Exactly this. My wife and I have been saying that most of the past 2 seasons. She has been playing her cards poorly.

The Queen of Thorns called her on this, as well. Could we see some parallels to the fall of the Targaryens? Could we see an occupying army (the Tyrells) betray those with whom they thought they were allied?

It's also in the books a lot.


Littlefinger says her power comes from her beauty, and she is starting to get on a bit.


And someone else suggested that she craves power, yet has no idea exactly what to do with it.

I knew my beloved lord was doomed as soon as Sansa wrote that letter...but there was a moment of hope when the traitor was surrounded by the flayed shields...long live the memory of house Bolton of the dreadfort. Long live the memory of lord Ramsay Bolton the giant slayer.

General Morden, is that you?!?

I'll admit Ramsay was an amusing villain for a time, but that time was up - good riddance!

IDK, part of me starting to dislike this season compared to the rest is that there are really only a few plots
1: Aryas
2: Jons & Ramseys
3: Cersei and the Sept
4: Dany
And only the first two have people to actually ROOT for, Dany is starting to become more of a villain than anything else. and both the sept and cersei are evil

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
IDK, part of me starting to dislike this season compared to the rest is that there are really only a few plots
1: Aryas
2: Jons & Ramseys
3: Cersei and the Sept
4: Dany
And only the first two have people to actually ROOT for, Dany is starting to become more of a villain than anything else. and both the sept and cersei are evil

There is only 1 true plot in this story, the tale of the Sand Snakes. The finale will just be shots of each notable character with a spear coming through their head out of nowhere. Their squabbling is the real Battle of the Bastards.

On a more serious note, I still don't see Cersei as being as evil as everybody claims. She's played her hand poorly for quite awhile now as her real power, her beauty, fades, but I don't think she really qualifies as "evil."

In her childhood, she starts off feeling held back simply because she's a woman. She learns early on that it's likely all of her children will die and she'll have valonquar problems (leaving it super vague because it's book stuff). She feels lucky when she gets to marry Robert Baratheon, only to find that it's as empty and cold as her castle. She doesn't find love in marriage due to being viewed as a poor replacement for Lyanna. In the show, it's very well displayed how her stillborn child meant so much to her and the loss of him showed her that she really wouldn't get anything out of Robert. There's that wonderful "filler" scene in season 1 where Cersei and Robert sit down and discuss their spite for each other.

Even when she rejects Ned's claim and tears up the documentation, she is doing it because she won't let her son be taken away. The only things she had in King's Landing were Jaime and her children. It's stated over and over again that her kids are the most precious thing to her, to a level past even Catelyn Stark. Gradually, her children are taken away from her and die and she's restricted by Tywin and set to be re-married. She sees the Tyrells to such a threat to her sons that she reinstates the Faith Militant to get rid of them, her first horrible play. She's arrested and the only thing that keeps her through it is Tommen. Can that love/passion be considered evil? Reckless, yes, but I don't know about evil.

In the books, I think it's done a bit better, though she gains a lot more weight, drinks more, and contributes to stem cell research.

For episode 10, I think:




EDIT: I think Tormund was my favorite part of episode 9.

Not just for the scenes with Davos, which really show how different their cultures are, but for how he in the battle. Besides wrecking Smalljon, when they get trapped by the shield wall, Tormund has this manic look in his eye as he tries to break free and he has to be pulled back by his men. I think it showed quite well how he's been beaten and captured by southerners once and he's not going to let it happen again.

Cersei's kids are her true love but during the Battle for the Blackwater she was about to commit suicide along with Tommen to prevent them falling into Stannis's hands, and now the High Sparrow & Margaery are stealing Tommen away again so she may well kill him to stop him completely abandoning her

I never got that sense from Cersei. Everyone keeps saying she "loves her children". No, she loves the power her children give her, that's it. If she cannot control them she'd rather watch them burn....man that is truly messed up.

I mean the main reason she hates Margaery is because...Tommen will listen to her and not Cersei? I mean I know given the nature of Westerosi society means she has hurdles to climb, but Cersei isn't being held back because she's a woman. She's held back because she keeps screwing up.

Well, and Margaery represents what she once was: beautiful and adept at 'the game.'

Cersei sees herself in Margaery, and as such knows how formidable Margaery is.

 cincydooley wrote:
Well, and Margaery represents what she once was: beautiful and adept at 'the game.'

Cersei sees herself in Margaery, and as such knows how formidable Margaery is.

Not sure Cersei was ever that good at the game.

She was married to a drunkard abusive husband and tried to live vicariously through her children.

Margaery at least understood that having the people on your side is a good thing. Cersei has always been of the opinion "Screw the peasantry, I'm a Noble and the Queen." Which seems to have come back to bite her (deservedly so).

I wouldn't compare Cersei to Margaery when Olenna is a far better example of what Cersei was hoping to do. I mean technically Mace is Lord of Highgarden but we all know It's Olenna who rules there.

I think Tomman's death will be Cersei's fault, but completely accidental. - EG, when she wildfire explodes the High Sept, Tomman will be visiting.

This will then drive her completely off her rocker, as the 'big bad' of the first part of the next season.

Eventually she'll be defeated by the Tyrells (I like the idea someone had of Jaime being the one that kills her).

This will then set up the Tyrells as the "Avatars" of the 7 Gods, who will then be in conflict with Dany, as one of the chosen of the Lord of Light.

Then Jon, being both of Ice and Fire shall bring a 'peace' in so far as pointing out, "hey there's a giant undead army that's about to shatter the wall..."

...not a bad theory, as theories go!

But I think the Cersi killing Tommen (accidentally) has already been predicted ITT, so only partial credit there for you!

Anybody else think we may see/hear about a Dornish army marching in the finale, essentially setting up a Westeros with both the North and South in revolt?

Oh god please no. I'd much prefer the show just pretends Dorne no longer exists. Or st the very least, do it all off screen.

Only if the first episode in the next season has the Dorne army routed and those pack of blood thirsty sociopaths executed.

Thus always to warmongering murderers.

That's an interesting question. I could see that going either way -- i.e. Dorne on the move in a last episode "shocker" or Dorne being ignored for the rest of the series.

Either is the kind of thing these writers would do.

Be funny if they brought in Daemon Sand or One of the other Martells. It is dumb they killed off the other martells but there are other martells if I remember correctly.

Yeah, like Dorans daughter...who doesn't show up in the show, and would probably get murdered too.

And Quentyn, who dies in the book and overall had little significance.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Yeah, like Dorans daughter...who doesn't show up in the show, and would probably get murdered too.

And Quentyn, who dies in the book and overall had little significance.

I actually kind of liked Quentyn's bit in the books. It's a great exploration of arrogance when facing such power/danger (Dragons' are WMD's and it comes up in almost every interview).

I wanted Tyrion to unchain the dragons and then we just hear "Oh."

 Compel wrote:
I think Tomman's death will be Cersei's fault, but completely accidental. - EG, when she wildfire explodes the High Sept, Tomman will be visiting.

This will then drive her completely off her rocker, as the 'big bad' of the first part of the next season.

Eventually she'll be defeated by the Tyrells (I like the idea someone had of Jaime being the one that kills her).

This will then set up the Tyrells as the "Avatars" of the 7 Gods, who will then be in conflict with Dany, as one of the chosen of the Lord of Light.

Then Jon, being both of Ice and Fire shall bring a 'peace' in so far as pointing out, "hey there's a giant undead army that's about to shatter the wall..."

Maybe maybe.

Its interesting that the 7 Gods appear to have no actual power or at least none that manifest through their followers?

How Dany will interact with the Priestess of the Lord of Light is intriguing.

I thought the wall couldn't be crossed by the White Walkers unless Bran does - surely he is not stupid enough to do so - oh wait, I see.

If Jamie kills Cersei he will probably kill himself straight after - especially if his last child is also dead. What else has he to live for?

I guess Dany could arrive in Dorne and have them on her side, not that she needs them, otherwise I hope that's story is finished in the show.

Then of course we have to see what failed (?) ninja Arya is doing.

Well, isn't there a relationship between "The Stranger" and the Many Faced Gods?

The "Horn of Jormund" has been mentioned quite a few times as being in the north and able to destroy the wall.

Sorry to bring up the Brexit here, but thought this would be ok to post:

http://news.sky.com/story/1717406/brexit-wont-hurt-game-of-thrones-production

Game Of Thrones fans have been reassured by its creators that Britain's decision to leave the European Union will not affect filming, after speculation the show would lose EU funding.

Economists and government leaders have warned the Brexit decision will affect growth prospects for the world's fifth largest economy and make it less attractive to investors.

However, the result could discourage Hollywood studios and cable networks from filming in Britain, in part because it will no longer have access to European subsidies.

Game Of Thrones is partly filmed in Northern Ireland and the series received support from the EU's European Regional Development Fund in its early years.
However HBO has confirmed that the fund has provided no support for the past few seasons.

"We do not anticipate that the result of the EU referendum will have any material effect on HBO producing Game of Thrones," the network said in a statement.

As results from Britain's historic referendum came in overnight, speculation spread online that the decision would hurt HBO's most-watched series, which had as many as 20 million viewers per episode last season.

The show, which airs on Sky Atlantic in the UK, continues to receive funding from the UK, including from Northern Ireland Screen (NIS), which provides government support for local businesses.
NIS issued a statement saying the organisation "does not use monies provided from European-funded programmes."

The award-winning Game of Thrones, based on George RR Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire books, tells the epic fantasy tale of a multi-generational struggle for control of the Iron Throne and rule over the Seven Kingdoms.

The show, now in its sixth season, has a budget of $10m (£7m) per episode, according to Entertainment Weekly.

To me, that sounds like they've already got the funding for any future stuff then?

Chocolate and peanut butter?

Yes!

Game of Thrones and European politics?

Er, no thanks?

I think that it would be strange indeed if the Dorne storyline just disappeared for the rest of the show.

I can see why many might hope for that, but I don't think its happening. The show seems to have invested too much in it, diverging from the book by a lot too.

At best, they become allies of Daenerys and fade into the background.

At worst, they somehow become power players in Westros!

 Compel wrote:
Well, isn't there a relationship between "The Stranger" and the Many Faced Gods?

The "Horn of Jormund" has been mentioned quite a few times as being in the north and able to destroy the wall.

Not in the Show that I recall? Or did I miss that?

I think the show can go either way with Dorne - it gives them flexibility I guess even if their version turned out to be...well pretty awful.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Compel wrote:
Well, isn't there a relationship between "The Stranger" and the Many Faced Gods?

The "Horn of Jormund" has been mentioned quite a few times as being in the north and able to destroy the wall.

Not in the Show that I recall? Or did I miss that?

Nope not been shown yet. Euron hasn't yet (or just doesn't have it for the show) revealed it.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Compel wrote:
Well, isn't there a relationship between "The Stranger" and the Many Faced Gods?

The "Horn of Jormund" has been mentioned quite a few times as being in the north and able to destroy the wall.

Not in the Show that I recall? Or did I miss that?

Nope not been shown yet. Euron hasn't yet (or just doesn't have it for the show) revealed it.

That's a different horn isn't it? Eurons horn is to control the dragons.