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Not here Bob, but I'm going to run Epirians so I'll be looking to swap my Karists (i.e. I'm also after more drones )

 insaniak wrote:

That, and it's a game... so a certain amount of value determination comes from the quality of the game rules themselves. A game could have more miniatures than you can pole a stick, of a quality that makes you weep tears of blood from their sheer beauty... and it would still be let down by a ruleset that is incomplete and/or not properly functional.

Don't be silly; Kingdom Death made two million dollars.


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 RiTides wrote:
Not here Bob, but I'm going to run Epirians so I'll be looking to swap my Karists (i.e. I'm also after more drones )

I'm hoping the other stuff in the box is worth something, too.

Heck, I'll even swap all my tiles, boards, templates, cards and chits for some Karists.


How about for Minnows?

You keep your sticky fingers off my Minnows,

I need them to use as snazzy hats for my Kingdom Death survivors!

That's...that's brilliant!

Haha that's pure genius Orlando

Dunno what I think about the background, models etc, but I do like the look of the rules.

In particular, using area terrain as LoS blocking terrain should be a fething industry standard

 insaniak wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Does the "other stuff" matter that much when comparing to the value found in dark Vengence? I mean, DV comes with all that other "stuff" too, so I think comparing the count and quality of the models is entirely reasonable.

Dark Vengeance comes with miniatures, a sprue of 3 plastic templates, and a rulebook which (even comments about the standard of the rules aside) doesn't actually give you all of the rules you need to play the game.

MEdge comes with miniatures, a set of 3 full-colour printed cardboard templates, a whole slew of full-colour printed markers and suppression markers, and a complete set of the games rules.

And if the Kickstarter does well enough, will also include the terrain.

That, and it's a game... so a certain amount of value determination comes from the quality of the game rules themselves. A game could have more miniatures than you can poke a stick, of a quality that makes you weep tears of blood from their sheer beauty... and it would still be let down by a ruleset that is incomplete and/or not properly functional.


Comparing the count and quality of the miniatures is most certainly reasonable... but it's a bit odd to use it as the sole criteria for determining the value of the box.

I think it's also worth to mention that DV comes with monopose plastics instead of multipose plastics, which may be a factor in how people interpret value as well.

 Vermonter wrote:
A question for the makers, when they're not too busy to answer:

Why is it that the Karists seem to be more technologically advanced than the Epirians? Is there some story background explaining their mastery of cybel technologies like teleporting, advanced laser weaponry, power armor, etc?

The Epirians have a corporate background, and the wealth usually associated with that will most likely show up in the form of the hunters and scarecrows. But so far the drones are retro-fitted cropdusters etc., and the guns they use seem to be more traditional projectile-based. Why doesn't a corporate-descended foundation have the money to train elite soldiers and / or hire mercenaries rather than just draft engineers, and why can't they outfit them with the latest tech? How do the Karists have better R&D and weapons / armor production than the people who (presumably) ran the factories, invested in new tech, and paid the scientists?

I am not a creator but I may be able to offer incite on a few of these things based on real world practices.
The Epirians are corporate. They most likely DO have the money to hire elite soldiers and use latest tech. The problem with doing that is it cuts into their own profits to do so. I have personal experience with this. I work for a company that is global, and we have a saying here
"We have been asked to do so much with so little for so long, we are now expected to do anything with nothing."
I feel that this should be the Eperians motto.

 insaniak wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Does the "other stuff" matter that much when comparing to the value found in dark Vengence? I mean, DV comes with all that other "stuff" too, so I think comparing the count and quality of the models is entirely reasonable.

Comparing the count and quality of the miniatures is most certainly reasonable... but it's a bit odd to use it as the sole criteria for determining the value of the box.

It entirely depends on what the person wants it for really. If someone isn't fussed on what they have seen in the rules or have a rule set they already play they want the models for then the value to them will be in the models alone.

DV has a lot more inherent value due to the name brand. The Terminator Genysis game would be a better comparison to DV. For Maelstrom's Edge, I feel like Deadzone is the best comparison, and MEdge wins by default for having real plastic.


Although if GW ever released a Slaanesh army, I suppose we could compare them with the Epirians based on the use of chaps.

Well, I plan to play the game at any rate. I have played an early version of it at Adepticon last year and it was an absolute blast - it scratches my 40K itch in all the right places.

 Fraggle wrote:
Does anyone know how much the paperbacks are at salute tomorrow?

I believe they are £6.99 or £10 for both together.


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 Vermonter wrote:
A question for the makers, when they're not too busy to answer:

Why is it that the Karists seem to be more technologically advanced than the Epirians? Is there some story background explaining their mastery of cybel technologies like teleporting, advanced laser weaponry, power armor, etc?

The Epirians have a corporate background, and the wealth usually associated with that will most likely show up in the form of the hunters and scarecrows. But so far the drones are retro-fitted cropdusters etc., and the guns they use seem to be more traditional projectile-based. Why doesn't a corporate-descended foundation have the money to train elite soldiers and / or hire mercenaries rather than just draft engineers, and why can't they outfit them with the latest tech? How do the Karists have better R&D and weapons / armor production than the people who (presumably) ran the factories, invested in new tech, and paid the scientists?

Hi,

It's not that they are more advanced, they just focus on different tech than the Eprians. Karists play with cybel based technology that other factions view as crazy to mess with. Epirians are masters of drone and conciousness transfer technology which the Karists view as blasphemous, and won't touch.

Officially pledged.

Cybel technology whats that? Sorry I read that and found that interesting.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
DV has a lot more inherent value due to the name brand. The Terminator Genysis game would be a better comparison to DV. For Maelstrom's Edge, I feel like Deadzone is the best comparison, and MEdge wins by default for having real plastic.


Although if GW ever released a Slaanesh army, I suppose we could compare them with the Epirians based on the use of chaps.

Laugh all you want, I have to wear chaps just like that almost every single day at work. I'd actually rather have the Empirans kind (aka pants with the ass/crotch gone, perhaps not as extreme though) the buckles and straps mine require aren't as comfy as the Empirans "assless pants would be.

If you don't believe me, type "stihl chainsaw chaps" into your search engine of choice and see. I've heard welding chaps are similar as well

The mechanism in MEdge that allows for FTL travel (as well as an energy source) is the Cybel network. Its like a spiderweb of dark matter(energy? i forget) strands that proliferate the known galaxy. Humanity used the network to expand outwards but its blown up from the center of known space out as the maelstrom so anyway...

Cybel energy is a kind of fuel, but the Karists use the crap out of it, for guns and everything. Kind of like plasma guns I guess, they shoot blobs of burning energy instead of bullets. Most people think doing stuff like that is crazy since Cybel energy is highly energetic and i'm assuming explosive.

But I'm assuming as the maelstrom/cybel network are key to the Karist beliefs they take a bit more of an open approach to using it.


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I've got some chainsaw chaps I occasionally wear for work, probably are Stihl even, though mine tend to cover the fronts of my legs and not so much on the back, bit of the sides.

The straps are sort of triangular or Y shaped if that makes any sense, there's one around the back of the knee and one down at the ankle.

The chaps the contractors are wearing almost make more sense as horse chaps with additional side protection from thorn bushes and limbs etc, but I'm not sure if it makes a large degree of sense that they'd have that design on foot

Pledged - can't (currently) justify two boxes, but may be swayed later

Has there been any details on the Broken as a faction? Also, will melee combat play a meaningful part of the game, or just as a last ditch niche thing?

Pretty close to being funded, impressive.

I think I remember hearing that melee/shooting within 6" was basically how you finished off a unit that you had heavily suppressed. I don't think you would have a fast melee unit run up a flank and charge an enemy fire support team and expect to win, like you might do with fast assault elements in 40k or whatever.

I think it may be better to consider the CC like that of Infinity, it's there, but this seems to be a shooting game.

 d-usa wrote:
Pretty close to being funded, impressive.

Only 10 more at $90 needed

You guys need to make more prominent the $20 shipping cap. Pretty much EVERY KS I've been on have had internationals unhappy with the cost of shipping. While I doubt a $20 cap *alone* would get someone to back, this cap plus the Dakka "brand name" should generate some clicks.

I don't pay attention to sf miniature skirmish games on KS, but I'd also like to get a better idea on the Home page of how this game differentiates itself from the umpteen other sf miniature skirmish games out there.

Asherian Command wrote:Cybel technology whats that? Sorry I read that and found that interesting.

GrimDork wrote:The mechanism in MEdge that allows for FTL travel (as well as an energy source) is the Cybel network. Its like a spiderweb of dark matter(energy? i forget) strands that proliferate the known galaxy. Humanity used the network to expand outwards but its blown up from the center of known space out as the maelstrom so anyway...

Cybel energy is a kind of fuel, but the Karists use the crap out of it, for guns and everything. Kind of like plasma guns I guess, they shoot blobs of burning energy instead of bullets. Most people think doing stuff like that is crazy since Cybel energy is highly energetic and i'm assuming explosive.

But I'm assuming as the maelstrom/cybel network are key to the Karist beliefs they take a bit more of an open approach to using it.

Yes, as GrimDork said (it's so awesome that the people who read the books are replying to these kind of questions!), cybel energy is a kind of dark energy substance that is attracted to mass. Around stars and other large objects, enough cybel energy collects that you can create an opening into the dimension in which the energy exists. Between stars, the energy is stretched into filaments or tunnels, with the size of the tunnel decreasing the further away the two stars are, and the smaller mass they are. Given enough power a ship can pass down these tunnels, and because the dimension the cybel tunnels inhabit is different to realspace, the time it takes to travel down the tunnels between stars is much shorter than in realspace, cutting the travel time down to a few days or weeks (although travelling from the gate into the tunnel to a nearby planet is still limited by the speed of light, so this can take longer than the interstellar journey!)

The cybel energy itself is a hugely potent power source, and by harnessing it you can generate power both on planets and in ships. This is very tightly regulated as cybel energy in its base state is hugely volatile and incredibly destructive on contact with matter. It was also create radiation on contact with organic material, which can quickly give you bad cancers if you come near it. In most cases when it's used for power purposes the cybel energy harvested from the tunnels is processed in an orbital cybel refinery, which uses electromagnetic waves to remove some of the disorder from the energy and make it safer for civilian use, but even then it's very restricted, the equivalent to uranium or plutonium in our modern world.

The Karists have a lot less qualms over using it both in weaponry and in their commune rituals, where they use a type of energy they call na-cybel, which has been digested by the alien Angels, who strip it of most of its intense power as food, leaving behind the much more benign na-cybel energy. The Karists use na-cybel energy as a proxy for the energy at the edge of the Maelstrom, as exposing yourself to na-cybel causes visions and euphoric out of body experiences they say are similar to that which you feel during ascension. Others disagree on that interpretation, of course, and say they are crazy, but I will leave that for you all to decide as you read more of the fiction and background.

 Dakkamite wrote:
Has there been any details on the Broken as a faction? Also, will melee combat play a meaningful part of the game, or just as a last ditch niche thing?

As the KS campaign rolls on (and I get back from the UK), one of the things we'll be doing is releasing updates that talk about some of the finer points of the rules that weren't discussed in the rules intro PDF, and how exactly close quarters attacks work is near the top of that list since it is a basic action that units can perform but wasn't covered (due to its relative complexity) in the rules intro PDF.

So keep an eye out on the KS page for that update coming (farily) soon.


And the Broken are essentially the outcasts of every society that have been left to die on planets near the Maelstrom's Edge who have banded together to figure out a way to escape (typically involving violence and taking over a bunch of ships through sheer weight of numbers). A collaboration of a variety of races. Relatively low tech. High model count/low point values. Grubby revolutionaries, junkers, anarchists, etc. The guys from Umungus' warband in Road Warrior (but in space and with aliens). You get the picture.

But as with any other faction besides the first two, they are both dependent upon the success of the Kickstarter and also a ways off.

I am starting to wonder if the Maelstrom is some sort of sentient energy being itself, similar to the Angels. In the books it seems that the Maelstrom is attracted to real space concentrations of cybel in a similar way that the Angels are utilized during combat. I'm almost getting a slight "spice" vibe from the cybel with the Angels almost feeling a bit Shai-Hulud.

Using the cybel energy may have propelled the advances in the universe, but it may also have created their downfall.

Okay, now that i've seen the kickstarter some things that come to mind (with the hope that they may be useful to you).

1 - a5 rulebook. How many pages? Even a rough guestimate would be nice.

2 - i'm not seeing any mention of the other factions, perhaps they should be mentioned (even in passing) so that potential customers are aware there's (going to be) more than 2 factions?

3 - will the rulebook contain army lists and/or explain the process on how to collect an army for play?

Can we get some sig banners? I like the purple one!

And FUNDED!!

Congrats to Lego and Team

Congrats!

20,001! we met the goal! Project is funded

also this is my mandatory "I pledged" post