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 Timotheus wrote:
Again: as a german I can confirm you that the WD says that every heavy weapon is included two times!

Well that's better than before.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
36 bucks for a 5 man dev squad.. nuts

I was checking some of the prices for the same units I bought back in the day. All I can say is that I'm glad I built my full army back when squads were $25 a box. There's really no difference between them and what's out now.

Pods full of even cheaper grav marines, ick

A really nice Devs kit. It gives me hope that the Havocs will be redesigned as well. But for now I am off to the FW to buy my toys.

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Talys wrote:
For whatever reason... it doesn't matter how cool any other model is, at the end of the day, I always return to modelling Space Marines as almost a hobby unto itself. For any other game or faction, I just don't get as excited.

Probably because GW appears to put far, far more effort into Space Marines than any other faction. For my infantry I'm stuck with an ancient plastic kit with a deteriorating mould that has practically no options in comparison to the plethora of Marine kits that are packed full of them, all of which are also designed to be interchangeable at that. I'm extremely limited with the poses I can achieve with fire warriors whereas there are likely thousands of combinations for Marines, making it entirely possible to create an army where no two infantry are alike.

How do you get any poses out of fire warriors at all? :X

I have 3 unpainted boxes of them (in fairness, 3 painted boxes too) that I want to do up really nicely, and I get lazy every time I think of them and look at the sprue, because there's so little I can do with them. And I'm so lazy go clean up the finecast too :X

The interchangeability is definitely a big thing.

I have to say the helmets are dreadful for the new Devs. They look ridiculous and overdone. The new legs are interesting. Maybe they'll get the Relentless USR. I wonder if Grav Cannons are limited to Devs or if Tact squads can take them as well.

So, a special edition marine book, a few upgrade lots, two assault marine boxes, and a ton of devastators and drop pods, because the new marine cheese will once again be drop pods?

Relapse wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
36 bucks for a 5 man dev squad.. nuts

I was checking some of the prices for the same units I bought back in the day. All I can say is that I'm glad I built my full army back when squads were $25 a box. There's really no difference between them and what's out now.

Allegedly Forge World outgrew Warhammer Fantasy by dropping pretty much everything else and doubling down on overpriced Space Marines, going from strength to strength with this simple idea. Market demand is a bitch.

 Timotheus wrote:
And here we go again...

It only remains for me to add this quote by a natfka commenter:

As for the cost of this new kit. It's £25... Wow... £5 more than the current kit and for that extra £5 you are getting:

-new re-cut models with better dynamic posing
-optional scenic bases
-new 32 mm bases included
-new weapons included (TH, LC, Grav Pistol, Evicerator, etc)
-all together a better kit.

Buy it from a store that offers a 20% discount if your that bothered. Same goes for the Dev kit.

Don't get me wrong. I would love GW stuff to be more affordable. But if you think it's to expensive: don't buy it.

if you dont like the price do the senseable thing and buy from online stores (ebay, amazon, etc) or recasts (my favorite)

Man, I need to find away to get 12 grav cannons.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Oh man, if Terminators are getting 2/5...then Deathwing might have just gotten a huge boost.

/Unforgiven High-Five

That'd be a hella boost for DW heavy army... especially if they still keep the twin-linking after DS and splitfire.

I am really loving the new upgrade kits. Anything to promote personalizing armies and driving narrative. Now I'll just sit back and actually wait for them to do this with the Chaos Legions. Shouldn't take long, right?

I am also a huge fan of updating older, less shapely models. Not that the Space Marines had those, but still! I've been happy with pretty much every single updated kit they've ever done.

So happy to see the new Devs have the 2nd ed style ankle/shin armour! Always thought that was a nice touch and always made sense to me.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Man, I need to find away to get 12 grav cannons.

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I want to know the damn rules so that I know how many dev boxes to preorder... sigh. LOL. The Assault Marine boxes isn't so bad, because I have a bazillion extra of every conceivable jump pack model already. But the new Devs sound awesome, and the new Grav + Amp looks wicked cool.

I wonder if I could get anyone my store to buy like, everything in the box minus Grav Cannon & related pieces for a discount?

Oh, Oh, I know!

Ring Ring! "Games Workshop Customer Service!"
Me: "I just bought 6 Devastator boxes, and NONE OF THEM HAD GRAV CANNONS!"

Yeah I'm looking forward to the devs too, the only ones I have currently are the two rocket launchers that came in the 2nd edition box set and a metal blister pack las cannon. Need to get me some long range goodies.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
For that price they're not even going to give you enough of one gun to outfit the squad?

One day somebody senior at GW will accidently look at the internet and see this 'mistake' and the next thing you know you'll find the codex limits you to the number of weapons in the box

 Timotheus wrote:

 Talys wrote:

 jah-joshua wrote:
i'm not smoking any crack pipe, but i have been collecting Citadel minis for over 30 years, and have never been a gamer...
i have literally thousands of minis, from at least a dozen manufacturers, but none of them make me as happy to paint as Space Marines do...

Although I do play 40k a couple times a month, this is actually pretty much my thing. For whatever reason... it doesn't matter how cool any other model is, at the end of the day, I always return to modelling Space Marines as almost a hobby unto itself. For any other game or faction, I just don't get as excited. I don't understand it, really, but something as simple as a new shoulderpad that would look great with another shoulder pad that I already have makes me happy, lol.

Actually it's just a matter of how many people are willing to pay the prices they are demanding. For me, GW did develope something far beyond average with 40k and Space Marines particularly and as long as they keep hammering out awesome new kits of that kind I'm willing to pay far beyond average for that, too. Additionally like I stated before with the quotation, these kits aren't bad deals after all (as long as you don't live in AUS or NZ). I wished they we're cheaper and I wished there were alternatives, but for me there are none. If you think the stuff is not worth it: don't buy it. If there are enough people who think like you, GW will get a problem and rethink.

The problem is it doesn't work that way. We know for a fact that GW don't do proper market research, they told us so in their own financial report, so when they experience a drop in sales(which they have been, for several years now) they have no idea why. They can make assumptions, and they can come up with plans to address those assumptions, but if the assumptions are wrong because they're based on a faulty premise(like "nobody will care about videogames and Pokemon in a couple of years time" or "our market is collectors so the quality of the rules doesn't matter") they just end up making things worse.

"Just don't buy it" works when a company makes an active and sincere effort to engage with their customer base and to figure out why people stop being part of that base, not when they live on Kirby's Fantasy Island where market research is "otiose" and customers are just walking wallets with zero impulse control who'll buy whatever you tell them to buy. It's possible, hell even probable that GW completely ignore community sites like these, but given that a lot of the people who GW have driven away or who are teetering on the brink still really like the IP and want to see it succeed, offering criticism here in the vague hope that the sentiment eventually filters back over the moat to GWHQ is better than nothing at all.

So I offer a counter-proposal; if you don't want to read criticisms of GW, stop reading a public forum where anyone can express their chosen view, even ones you dislike/don't agree with/are irritated by.


As for the dev kit; lots of lovely bitz, but luckily I don't have to buy the box to get the ones I want since, being Marines, these kits will actually be regularly stocked by bitz retailers unlike other factions.

Relapse wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
36 bucks for a 5 man dev squad.. nuts

I was checking some of the prices for the same units I bought back in the day. All I can say is that I'm glad I built my full army back when squads were $25 a box. There's really no difference between them and what's out now.

That was 36 euros bud. They're 25GBP Which isn't bad looking at all the gubbinz you have to choose from.

Forgive my ignorance but does this mean that Blood Angels now have access to grav cannon devastators in their codex?

That would be a huge boost to that codex.

 Yodhrin wrote:
The problem is it doesn't work that way. We know for a fact that GW don't do proper market research, they told us so in their own financial report, so when they experience a drop in sales(which they have been, for several years now) they have no idea why. They can make assumptions, and they can come up with plans to address those assumptions, but if the assumptions are wrong because they're based on a faulty premise(like "nobody will care about videogames and Pokemon in a couple of years time" or "our market is collectors so the quality of the rules doesn't matter") they just end up making things worse.

"Just don't buy it" works when a company makes an active and sincere effort to engage with their customer base and to figure out why people stop being part of that base, not when they live on Kirby's Fantasy Island where market research is "otiose" and customers are just walking wallets with zero impulse control who'll buy whatever you tell them to buy. It's possible, hell even probable that GW completely ignore community sites like these, but given that a lot of the people who GW have driven away or who are teetering on the brink still really like the IP and want to see it succeed, offering criticism here in the vague hope that the sentiment eventually filters back over the moat to GWHQ is better than nothing at all.

So I offer a counter-proposal; if you don't want to read criticisms of GW, stop reading a public forum where anyone can express their chosen view, even ones you dislike/don't agree with/are irritated by.


As for the dev kit; lots of lovely bitz, but luckily I don't have to buy the box to get the ones I want since, being Marines, these kits will actually be regularly stocked by bitz retailers unlike other factions.

You are right in a lot of things you say. Still I think not buying products that you are not convinced of will far more likely have an impact than consequently whining about it on some internet threads GW will never cast an eye on. Even if it's only arrogant GW going bankrupt.

Yes. Everyone is allowed to speak one's mind, that's the purpose of a forum. I just find it annoying if it's the same over and over again. And beeing on a couple of other forums it's striking that nowhere the whining is as pushy as here. And yes, though it's a shame I should stick to said other forums if I can't handle the consequent whining...

Sorry for OT.

Any word on actual sniper / stealth Marines so we can look at units that Chapters such as the Raven Guard field - could be cool and also something that not devoted the "Special needs" chapters like the Dark Angels and inventing bizzare crap lik Centurions

 Hive City Dweller wrote:
Forgive my ignorance but does this mean that Blood Angels now have access to grav cannon devastators in their codex?

That would be a huge boost to that codex.

No. No big choppy Eviscerators for your Assault Marines either. Gotta wait those ~12 months or so until Blood Angels get updated to "40K 7.5.-Decurion-Edition"

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Hive City Dweller wrote:
Forgive my ignorance but does this mean that Blood Angels now have access to grav cannon devastators in their codex?

That would be a huge boost to that codex.

No. No big choppy Eviscerators for your Assault Marines either. Gotta wait those ~12 months or so until Blood Angels get updated to "40K 7.5.-Decurion-Edition"

I figured it was too good to be true. This is one thing I still don't get about releases; as soon as a trend or format develops over a few codicies, the game changes because of a new FOC or unit altering the meta. Don't know if they are trying to shake things up or just incapable f consistency.

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Hive City Dweller wrote:
Forgive my ignorance but does this mean that Blood Angels now have access to grav cannon devastators in their codex?

That would be a huge boost to that codex.

No. No big choppy Eviscerators for your Assault Marines either. Gotta wait those ~12 months or so until Blood Angels get updated to "40K 7.5.-Decurion-Edition"

Unless there is special rules in WD I wonder if the new Eviscerators would fit on a Sororitas model - be cool to have a power armoured hands version for conversions

 Timotheus wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
The problem is it doesn't work that way. We know for a fact that GW don't do proper market research, they told us so in their own financial report, so when they experience a drop in sales(which they have been, for several years now) they have no idea why. They can make assumptions, and they can come up with plans to address those assumptions, but if the assumptions are wrong because they're based on a faulty premise(like "nobody will care about videogames and Pokemon in a couple of years time" or "our market is collectors so the quality of the rules doesn't matter") they just end up making things worse.

"Just don't buy it" works when a company makes an active and sincere effort to engage with their customer base and to figure out why people stop being part of that base, not when they live on Kirby's Fantasy Island where market research is "otiose" and customers are just walking wallets with zero impulse control who'll buy whatever you tell them to buy. It's possible, hell even probable that GW completely ignore community sites like these, but given that a lot of the people who GW have driven away or who are teetering on the brink still really like the IP and want to see it succeed, offering criticism here in the vague hope that the sentiment eventually filters back over the moat to GWHQ is better than nothing at all.

So I offer a counter-proposal; if you don't want to read criticisms of GW, stop reading a public forum where anyone can express their chosen view, even ones you dislike/don't agree with/are irritated by.


As for the dev kit; lots of lovely bitz, but luckily I don't have to buy the box to get the ones I want since, being Marines, these kits will actually be regularly stocked by bitz retailers unlike other factions.

You are right in a lot of things you say. Still I think not buying products that you are not convinced of will far more likely have an impact than consequently whining about it on some internet threads GW will never cast an eye on. Even if it's only arrogant GW going bankrupt.

Yes. Everyone is allowed to speak one's mind, that's the purpose of a forum. I just find it annoying if it's the same over and over again. And beeing on a couple of other forums it's striking that nowhere the whining is as pushy as here. And yes, though it's a shame I should stick to said other forums if I can't handle the consequent whining...

Sorry for OT.

I have to agree with you that Dakka does seem to have more than its fair share of really whiny posters constantly bashing GW or anyone who dares to say anything positive about them.

I mean if that's their view fair enough, but I think some people just need to let it go and chill out.

 General Kroll wrote:
I have to agree with you that Dakka does seem to have more than its fair share of really whiny posters constantly bashing GW or anyone who dares to say anything positive about them.

I mean if that's their view fair enough, but I think some people just need to let it go and chill out.

Thing is, every single GW thread descends into a moaning contest, and there are loads of them because they release products every week, so it's just sort of incessant. There should be a dedicated thread for complaining about GW, so every N&R thread isn't bulked out with so many repetitive posts. We get it, they used to be better. We get it, they don't do market research or engage well with their customers. We get it, other companies do those things better. Do we need to hear it every fething week? Probably not.

I'm hoping that the Razorback gets back to costing 45 points again. There's no conceivable legitimacy for its current cost, what so ever. A Rhino costs 35 points, give that a pair of TL-heavy-bolters and you're up +15 points. However, it loses transport capacity, a storm bolter, repair and fire points so really, costing 10 points more than a Rhino seems more than fair, 20 points? No way.

Yes, it was cheap in 5th "vehicle/parking lot" edition but now that any Rhino-chassis vehicle dies to a stiff breeze, there's simply no way anyone could ever argue that 55 points is a fair price.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
For that price they're not even going to give you enough of one gun to outfit the squad?

One day somebody senior at GW will accidently look at the internet and see this 'mistake' and the next thing you know you'll find the codex limits you to the number of weapons in the box

That would be good. The tactic right now is buy multiple boxes to kit out a squad with what you want. They SHOULD either limit it or give every combination so 1 box = 1 unit.

 Bull0 wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:
I have to agree with you that Dakka does seem to have more than its fair share of really whiny posters constantly bashing GW or anyone who dares to say anything positive about them.

I mean if that's their view fair enough, but I think some people just need to let it go and chill out.

Thing is, every single GW thread descends into a moaning contest, and there are loads of them because they release products every week, so it's just sort of incessant. There should be a dedicated thread for complaining about GW, so every N&R thread isn't bulked out with so many repetitive posts. We get it, they used to be better. We get it, they don't do market research or engage well with their customers. We get it, other companies do those things better. Do we need to hear it every fething week? Probably not.

There's equally as many people who do the opposite and claim any kind of negative view about GW is just 'whining' for no reason. It works both ways.

And maybe if GW actually did those things, there wouldn't be the complaints. We also don't need complaints about people complaining, but we still get them. It's a forum, people are going to post negative things as well as positive. What's the point in a discussion board of everyone agrees? Either don't read it or put up with it, because people will complain as long as there are things to complain about.

No photos so far but a poster on a german board posted today he already got the White Dwarf for the week after the next and it shows a new Space Marine Librarian model and the aforementioned Dark Angels Interrogator Chaplain for week 3.