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 Redemption wrote:

jSewell wrote:
Unless there's an easy way for Devs to get relentless/s&p, I don't see them being better than Centurions in pods. Probably not even close to how good Skitarii pod alpha is either

Well, Centurions are a lot more expensive in pointcost and can't fire overwatch, as a mayor difference. And if the rumour that Droppods are ruled to no longer be able to carry Bulky models turns out the be true, no more centurions in drop pods.

This would not fit the fluff or models, since you can fit up to the size of a dreadnought. They even have such a model:


As someone pointed out above a devastator squad is with grav cannons is probably only 10 points cheaper than a grav centurion squad. But anyhow, since when were centurion drop pods the big scary thing? Gate of Infinity and Invisibility using guaranteed psychic powers are your keys to success here. If you drop a centurion squad, they'll likely just get tarpitted and you'll have blown nearly a quarter of your points.


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In actual news & rumors, BoLS now has an image for the new rules for command tanks!! Ok, this isn't really NEWS, but it's the first time I've seen a nice scan of the actual rules, and we have nothing better to talk about, obviously.



Tactical Authority is pretty cool 12" radius to give 1 unit a really nice buff of your choice every round (like H&R). So is a Grav Cannon with amp, and 2 TL Lascannons, and the Aegis Field. So... worth 400 points (you get both vehicles, I think, for the price)?

I wonder if Sgt. Chronus can be taken as an upgrade for a Land Raider Excelsior? That might be a nice little boost.

Huh, I just saw Rod of Command -- 18" radius for tactical authority for 10 points. There's a no brainer over the combi-plasma, I think.

Makes me think of Staff of Command and Rod of Lordly Might from original AD&D for some reason

 Talys wrote:

spartiatis wrote:
Perhaps because we have no rules leaks so far and there are no new - new units released

Indeed. With eldar, skitarii, cult, etc. You had a lot of rules leaks. Here, nada. You can only rumormonger so far with a pic of a chaplain and Libby!

It is rumored that the new Space Marines will have a lot of 4s in their statline and 3+ saves
Basic troops will come stock with a Str4 AP5 rapid fire weapon and 2 types of grenades!
They will have a rule called "And they shall know no fear" that is similar to fearless but better in every way.

There arent many rumors because we know so much.

 Exergy wrote:

 Talys wrote:

spartiatis wrote:
Perhaps because we have no rules leaks so far and there are no new - new units released

Indeed. With eldar, skitarii, cult, etc. You had a lot of rules leaks. Here, nada. You can only rumormonger so far with a pic of a chaplain and Libby!

It is rumored that the new Space Marines will have a lot of 4s in their statline and 3+ saves
Basic troops will come stock with a Str4 AP5 rapid fire weapon and 2 types of grenades!
They will have a rule called "And they shall know no fear" that is similar to fearless but better in every way.

There arent many rumors because we know so much.

I mean, I get that, but with Cult Mechanicus we were seeing Formation bonuses for quite some time before the codex. Wraithguard getting the Dirty D was rumored for nearly a month before the codex. We didn't even hear much (anything?) about Grav Devs before the WD, which is really strange. No formation bonuses, no characters going to LoW, etc. Just a bit unnatural for a codex this big and noteworthy.

 Crazyterran wrote:


The Grav cannon and amp is 20pts on a centurion, which is the same as a twin linked lascannon on a centurion. I'm just guessing they will be similarly priced for devastators. Especially since a normal lascannon is currently 20pts on a standard devastator....

Well the upgrade cost of a grav cannon and grav amp is 20pts when you are swapping a twinlinked heavy bolter.
That is equal in power to a twinlinked lascannon.

One would assume that if a grav cannon+amp is worth the same as a TWINLINKED lascannon that it would be more expensive than a regular lascannon.
Also one would assume that if a grav cannon+amp is 20points better than a twinlinked heavy bolter it would be 25-30 points better than a regular bolter.

 Exergy wrote:

It is rumored that the new Space Marines will have a lot of 4s in their statline and 3+ saves
Basic troops will come stock with a Str4 AP5 rapid fire weapon and 2 types of grenades!
They will have a rule called "And they shall know no fear" that is similar to fearless but better in every way.

There arent many rumors because we know so much.

It is rumored that the new Space marines will all have 2++. Bolters will become S8 AP2 48" Ignore Cover weapons!

"And they shall know no fear" will mean the other guys will gak their pants!

If there is any equations in place to reflect the value of upgrades. Same studio gives out Ion Accelerators for Melta Bomb prices on occasion.

The rumor I heard is the price of the book got a much needed boost, but the lifespan got nerfed.

Rumor has it as well that all SM armor is considered the pink fuzzy bunny suit and will be ridiculed by their peers unless they get the SM armor upgrade for a mere $80 to kit-out 2 models.

This new plastic Librarian, will it be a Dark Angels exclusive or a vanilla one?

Since (I believe) all the start of turn stuff happens in the order the active player chooses, could you roll for reserves and then choose to use Coordinate Reinforcements if needed?

Crimson Devil wrote:The rumor I heard is the price of the book got a much needed boost, but the lifespan got nerfed.

Nicely done, sir!

BrookM wrote:This new plastic Librarian, will it be a Dark Angels exclusive or a vanilla one?

Generic. There's no Chapter specific detail on him that isn't painted on.

What about price?
Im assuming it will be the same as eldar

Whelp, I have the new White Dwarf. All prices USD except as specified

Space Marines Devastator Squad $46 (CAD $55, GBP 28 AU $78)
SM & DA Battleforce $100
BA Battleforce $95
Codex: Space Marines $58 (CAD $70 GBP 35 AU $90 )
Codex: SM Limited Edition (7 to choose from) $165
Datacards: Space marines $12.50



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Other interesting info:

- Devastator pictures look super duper!
- Devastator: "there are two each of the following: lascannons, multimeltas, heavy bolters, plasma cannons, missile launchters and, new to the Devastators, grav-cannons complete with underslung grav amps"
- Devastator: For the squad sergeant, there are four assembly options for his combi-weapon, a power sword, thunder hammer, storm bolter, chainsword, lightning claw, grav pistol, plasma pistole, pbolt pistol, bolter, power fist (pointing at the enemy of course), bionic hand (also pointing), and a return of the classic-looking weapon, the power axe.

- Optional extras for dev: sergeant's armored torso, Mk VIII torso with raised gorget, armorium cherub (this guy looks pretty sweet!), pair of servo skulls

- The book cover reads:
CODEX ADEPTUS ASTARTES
SPACE MARINES
- Codex is 200 pages
- Company markings for White Scars, yay
- Salamanders Chapter Structure
- Gladius Strike Force Detachment
- 12 formations

About that Gladius Strike force....
- Field as a Battle Dei-company lead by a Captain or a Chaplain
- Commander will create his Gladius Strike force by selecting additional units available to him
- He may "request a unit of veterans to teleport to the heart of the enemy's position" or "call upon an Armored Task Force of Vindicators and Thunderfire Cannons to lay siege to an enemy fortification."
- "Not only does this give you the massive flexibility when creating your Space Marine army, it is also great fun creating a story to go with it."

- White Dwarf contains Salamanders Tactical Objectives, woot. Check this one: "Score 1 VP at the end of your turn, if during your turn you completely destroyed an enemy vehicle with a melta weapon." How easy is that?

Or how about, "Score 1 VP at the end of your turn if, during your turn, you completely destroyed an enemy unit whilst it was within 6" of any Salamanders units. If you completely destroyed 3 or more enmy units whilst they were within 6" of any Salamanders units, score D3 VP instead".

This one is pretty easy too -- "Score 1 VP at the end of your turn, if during your turn, one or more of your units made a successful charge and suffered no casualties from Overwatch".

Hints for next week...

- HARNESSING THE EMPYREAN
- THEATRE OF WAR
- 'EAVY METAL


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Oh yeah, and that "The age of sigmar is coming" thing is the back cover, and the "These were the end times..." is the last printed page of the magazine (facing the inside back cover), so I highly doubt this is just a board game.

So we get a Decurion, then. Terrifying.

Yup, that's what the Gladius Detachment is, I'm sure. I could have sworn I typed in (Decurion?) but I guess not.

Oh yes, and Rules Teasers -- COMBAT DOCTRINES!! We are all Skitarri.

Tactical Doctrine: Affected models can re-roll to-hit rolls of 1 in the shooting and Assault phases of this turn. Affected Tactical Squads, including any affected that have joined those squads can instead re-roll all failed To Hit rolls in the Shooting and Assault phases of this turn.

Combact Doctrines: Several special rules allow units or Formations to enact one or more Compact Doctorines. Whenever a rule allows this , it will note which units are affected, and how many times per game the Doctrine(s) can be enacted. These are cumulative, so if your army has 2 rules that allow it to enact the Tactical Doctrine ponce per game, you can enact it twice per game. You can enact a single available Combat Doctrine at the start of each of your turns.

Neat huh? The stacking thing is cool too.

 Colpicklejar wrote:
So we get a Decurion, then. Terrifying.

Your surprised? Literally every book from now on will have that composition I'm sure. This one will force us to take a command, two tac squads, some scouts, assault marines, devs and probable an attack bike or some such crap as a start. All upgrades are free, choose to pass fail moral prefered enemy everything....

 Talys wrote:

Hints for next week...

- HARNESSING THE EMPYREAN
- THEATRE OF WAR
- 'EAVY METAL

Quite odd. The german one lists "-Space Marines" as second hint.

 Talys wrote:
Yup, that's what the Gladius Detachment is, I'm sure. I could have sworn I typed in (Decurion?) but I guess not.

Oh yes, and Rules Teasers -- COMBAT DOCTRINES!! We are all Skitarri.

Tactical Doctrine: Affected models can re-roll to-hit rolls of 1 in the shooting and Assault phases of this turn. Affected Tactical Squads, including any affected that have joined those squads can instead re-roll all failed To Hit rolls in the Shooting and Assault phases of this turn.

Combact Doctrines: Several special rules allow units or Formations to enact one or more Compact Doctorines. Whenever a rule allows this , it will note which units are affected, and how many times per game the Doctrine(s) can be enacted. These are cumulative, so if your army has 2 rules that allow it to enact the Tactical Doctrine ponce per game, you can enact it twice per game. You can enact a single available Combat Doctrine at the start of each of your turns.

Neat huh? The stacking thing is cool too.

Too much book keeping, take the mechanicus war congregation for example, SO MANY fething rules and one time things. I don't mind passive buffs (even though its getting extreme when they are free) but the one time or 2 time use thing gets rediculous for your opponent to keep sorted.

What are the contents of the new da battle company box?

Popobates wrote:
What are the contents of the new da battle company box?

less then dark vengeance lol

The devastator box sounds amazing, mostly for all the sergeant kit! POWER AXE!

The Dev box actually seems like a pretty good deal. All those weapons will make for some pretty interesting squad capabilities.

Whilst I know it's just for modelling purposes, but if grav amps are capable of being underslung on the cannons, surely centurions are capable of having twin linked grav cannons and amps, fluff wise that is. Obviously won't happen model or rule wise. Little things like that make weird inconsistencies. Personally, I think Dev's would have been okay without grav amps, for a significantly reduced price of the grav cannon.

Come to think of it, why can't the command land raider have twin linked grav cannons with underslung grav amps?

Popobates wrote:
What are the contents of the new da battle company box?

The battle boxes look pretty weak, to be honest.

- SM Battleforce: Space Marine Captain, Tactical Squad ($40), Dreadnought ($46).
- BA Battleforce: BA Captain, Tactical Squad ($43), Furioso Dreadnought ($46)
- DA Battleforce: Ravenwing Command ($50), Land Speeder -- NOT Vengeance ($30), Attack Bike ($27)


The $100 SM box contents are $86 + Captain, meaning you're paying for $14 for the Captain.
The $95 BA box comes to $89 + Captain, meaning the BA Captain is $6.
The $100 DA box comes to $107, so you save $7, yippee.

The biggest issue is just that they aren't super-desirable contents. Especially with the new upgrade frame, you don't even need the Captains anymore. So you're stuck with (another?) dreadnought. I dunno if there are that many DA players who don't already have a Ravenwing command squad, either. I guess for new players.

It's nothing like the Necron battleforce today, or the value of the old Eldar battleforce, back when wave serpents were really good. If it had been me,

SM battleforce would have been Tactical Squad, Assault Squad, Devastator Squad $100. BA battleforce - BA Tactical, Assault, Devastator $100. Dunno what I would do for DA, because who knows about the new codex.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Whilst I know it's just for modelling purposes, but if grav amps are capable of being underslung on the cannons, surely centurions are capable of having twin linked grav cannons and amps, fluff wise that is. Obviously won't happen model or rule wise. Little things like that make weird inconsistencies. Personally, I think Dev's would have been okay without grav amps, for a significantly reduced price of the grav cannon.

Come to think of it, why can't the command land raider have twin linked grav cannons with underslung grav amps?

Power drain issues?

Fluff wise its possible that trying to run two grav cannons and the suit it self on a centurion might be too much.

So... combat doctrines are literally the Ultramarines Chapter Tactics?

I wonder what they'll have instead... or if Chapter Tactics are being removed.

Man, if those are the options for dev sgt, I might pick that up instead of vanguard vets.

Hey talys

Any chance that you can tell what the raven guard limited edition codex looks like?