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 Red Marine wrote:
Melee weapons cost more because i can't shoot my plasma guns in your shooting phase. I can swing a powerfist in your assault phase however.

You can also shoot (marginally) the plasma gun in my assault phase.
And I can't challenge the plasma gun during a shoot out so that he can be assassinated before he swings.
And the plasma gun guy doesn't need to roll 2d6 to make sure he doesn't trip over his own shoelaces epic marine style.
And the plasma gun hits on 3's instead of needing 4's against most opponents facing a sergeant.
And I don't get to shoot you first with a bunch of shots before your unwieldy plasma gun fires.
And so on...
It's been done to death. We are still waist-deep in a shooty edition where only the most standout superman all-star melee units are worth mentioning. Either the cost of shooting weapons and abilities needs to rise, the cost of melee weapons and abilities needs to lower, or we need a new edition, or some kind of combination/variation of the above.

Zagman's errata is on the right track. Maybe someday it can start getting adopted as an official ruleset.

 pretre wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 pretre wrote:
What about complaining about complaining about complaining?

I wasn't complaining though, I was asking a question in a way that pointed out a hypocrisy. Hashtag semantics are fun

I wasn't saying you were complaining. I was asking a question in a way that pointed out hypocrisy.


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Alcibiades wrote:
The "sergeant" counterparts in the Necrons codex (lords) also have two wounds, right? And so do the Skitarii ones.

I think this is going to be GW's policy henceforward and I exoect to see 2W Space Marines sergeanrs.

Except that was already shown not to be the case with the assault sergeants.

Maybe if we pray really hard to the Emperor and Guilliman, the assault marine rules will just be filler for a week? And veteran sergeants really will get +1 ws, bs, w, a, ld and a special rule like exarchs all for 10pts?

 Crazyterran wrote:

Maybe if we pray really hard to the Emperor and Guilliman, the assault marine rules will just be filler for a week? And veteran sergeants really will get +1 ws, bs, w, a, ld and a special rule like exarchs all for 10pts?

The Chaos gods are punishing our hubris for thinking that all Codexes going forward will have Eldar-level increases in strength.

 Talys wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Unless the full story is that someone else would really like it, and as it would make them happy this poster is buying it purely so they won't get it!

Wow, Az, my head hurts. I don't know what that means, hahaha.

That's because nobody in your dimension is ever that mean, you simply cannot comprehend it!

I just picked up my Assault Marines today, and the box is pretty sweet. A couple of thoughts:

- The scenic bases are fantastic. The detail is exquisite, much better than currently available sculpted 32mms bases, and they are really perfect for "launching" aerial/jump models. Here is a close-up.



- The 2-part legs have the square-cut pegs, which are really nice. You can use the default, "optimal" pose by just using the notches, or you can cut off the notch and rotate it to the angle you want. However, each right leg is paired with a left leg, and most of them aren't interchangeable.

- The plastic is very clean, with some surprisingly nice chest pieces of the non-jump-harness variety.

- Two, cool new blank shoulderpads with a half aquilla on the bottom of the border. One Mk 5 shoulderpad, yay. But 9 blank shoulder pads :(

- Plain, very boring jump packs. All the same.

- Eviscerator is BIG!

- The Power Axe is a really nice sculpt.

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 Crazyterran wrote:

Maybe if we pray really hard to the Emperor and Guilliman, the assault marine rules will just be filler for a week? And veteran sergeants really will get +1 ws, bs, w, a, ld and a special rule like exarchs all for 10pts?

And just like Rogue Trader have the option to have a Vortex Grenade, too.

The devil is in the details; so much depends on the force org and chapter tactics. As it is though, ASM look to be no better than they've ever been. Which is to say, "not on vanilla marines". Heck, I would rather have scouts for 11 points than ASM for 14.

Those decorative base bits are awesome.

wow yeah, those decorative bases look really sweet lol, why don't they sell those by them Selves!

So the Gladius Strike Force is basically the same thing as the Blooded Demi-Company (BDC let's you swap the Command Squad and Captain for a Chaplain and Furioso Dreadnought). So no small loss for my BA, but now I need another Tactical Squad for my CF to allow them to make use of the Gladius Strike Force.

Those scenic bases are pretty dang neat. Hmm, maybe a should pick up a chump-jump squad.

I hope these new detachments and formations finally gives a reason for Black Templars to use bikes

I always felt bikes would fit the BT fluff nicely, I'm a little jealous of Dark Angels and White Scars....

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
So the Gladius Strike Force is basically the same thing as the Blooded Demi-Company (BDC let's you swap the Command Squad and Captain for a Chaplain and Furioso Dreadnought). So no small loss for my BA, but now I need another Tactical Squad for my CF to allow them to make use of the Gladius Strike Force.

No, I don't think so. Blooded Demi-Company has very strict requirements (1 captain/chaplain, 3 tac, 1 assault, et cetera). On the other hand, Gladius says: that the captain/chaplain may "request a unit of veterans to teleport to the heart of the enemy's position" or "call upon an Armored Task Force of Vindicators and Thunderfire Cannons to lay siege to an enemy fortification." The WD goes on to say, "Not only does this give you the massive flexibility when creating your Space Marine army, it is also great fun creating a story to go with it."

One can only assume you have more flexibility than CAD, otherwise that would make no sense at all

My guess is that it will be Core-Command-Auxiliary, with 1+ command and 1+ core. Then one of the command slots will say 1 Captain, another one will say 1 Chaplain, etc. One of the Core options will probably be 2+ tactical squads, another will be 2+ assault, another will be 2+ bike, etc.

Then, if you have the Tactical Core, it will trigger/unlock the command doctrine, Tactical Doctrine. So, if you take Ultramarines + Tactical Core, you get 2x Tactical Doctrine (one being unlocked from the CT).

That's my guess, anyhow!! It seems like 2015GW is all about giving people formations within formations, each with free gak.

 Talys wrote:
- The scenic bases are fantastic. The detail is exquisite, much better than currently available sculpted 32mms bases, and they are really perfect for "launching" aerial/jump models. Here is a close-up..

If they were in a 'scenic base' kit, that would be great.

Really not a fan of either every squad having identical bases, or every jump model in the army being perched on a piece of terrain.


They are nicely detailed, though.

@Insaniak - yeah, you're right about not basing your assault marines the same way. There are actually 2 styles of bases, too -- one stone, one metal, which would look better on 2 different groups IMO.

On the bright side, the bases are large enough to put many regular (non jump) models on.

 RedFox wrote:
I hope these new detachments and formations finally gives a reason for Black Templars to use bikes

I always felt bikes would fit the BT fluff nicely, I'm a little jealous of Dark Angels and White Scars....

That's if we end up in the same book or as a supplement.

A decent pic of the Devastators from today's blog post

I wonder if that little cherub thing is purely decorative or a new item of wargear....

Check this:




but to be honest I'm quite disappointed. The previous one was much better.

6e cover was way better.

Still very cool though.

Pity to see they changed artists.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
6e cover was way better.

I dunno I actually like the 7th ed more.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
I wonder if that little cherub thing is purely decorative or a new item of wargear....

Would be fun if it was an 1 use only 12" range meltabomb.
Like the little guy flys and drop it on the enemy.

Looks good to me.

I like it also, previous one was one giant pointing fist

 BrookM wrote:
Pity to see they changed artists.

Looks the same to me?

I really like that cover actually. Better than 6th, and definitely better than the BA one.

Basic cover looks better than last one to me, Ltd Edition covers much worse.

I'm interested in seeing the points for a squad of grav cannon devastators will by, the necessity of buying two boxes for the required grav cannons is also a pain

Basic TAC marine firing a bolt pistol. Hmmm not particularly epic or evocative. Disappointed meself.

Any news on Termies/Dreads, did they get any sort of buff/love?

 Ratius wrote:
Basic TAC marine firing a bolt pistol. Hmmm not particularly epic or evocative. Disappointed meself.

Any news on Termies/Dreads, did they get any sort of buff/love?

GW knows that everyone has buckets of termies and dreads in their closet, so I'm betting no. God how I'd love to be wrong.

I don't know what they have against changing marines. They seem okay with mixing it up with all the xenos, but they seem to have an iron law stating marines MUST be the same meh statline with the same bad gun every edition.

It'd be nice if Dreads got the MC treatment but I doubt it.