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We did see a harem scene, including women hooked up to milking machines.

 easysauce wrote:
a harem scene or something to simply establish that joe has a harem, or *something* to flesh him out a bit is nice.

Did you not notice the women and milking machines? Or the conversation in the war rig stating the girls were from the harem? You already have both background visuals and people stating there's a harem, do you need a giant flashing neon sign saying Joe's rape lair here <---?

 stanman wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
a harem scene or something to simply establish that joe has a harem, or *something* to flesh him out a bit is nice.

Did you not notice the women and milking machines? Or the conversation in the war rig stating the girls were from the harem? You already have both background visuals and people stating there's a harem, do you need a giant flashing neon sign saying Joe's rape lair here <---?

Pfft, this is Mad Max. Any such sign would be shiny and chrome.

 stanman wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
a harem scene or something to simply establish that joe has a harem, or *something* to flesh him out a bit is nice.

Did you not notice the women and milking machines? Or the conversation in the war rig stating the girls were from the harem? You already have both background visuals and people stating there's a harem, do you need a giant flashing neon sign saying Joe's rape lair here <---?

lets try to keep the veiled "you are stupid for not seeing things as I do" type comments out of it shall we?


yes, I saw women being used like cattle for milk... Im not saying there were NO SCENES like this, im stating there was far too few scenes that explore the world/story in proportion to the huge amount of scenes that explore things like explosions and chases.
There was not enough scenes to establish the setting, let alone characters... when there are not enough scenes or something to establish proper setting/characters, it just makes the movie lack depth.

almost all of the setting/max's character is set from the other movies, the music box reference just gets shoved into FR with no explanation and just doesn't fit compared the non working shot shell one works better in that it fits into the scene.

 generalgrog wrote:
I definitely do not think Thunderdome was better..however

Am I alone in thinking Thunderdome wasn't a very good movie? The setting details and much of the film were great, but once the kids go back to Bartertown... well it's worse than the damn Ewoks at the end of Jedi.


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Nahh, From what I hear, each is stand alone. Not going to continue a story.

Which is awesome, because that's kind of the Mad Max thing - he blows in to town, plays his part in whatever post-apocalyptic struggle is taking place, and then moves on to the next.

 sebster wrote:

 generalgrog wrote:
I definitely do not think Thunderdome was better..however

Am I alone in thinking Thunderdome wasn't a very good movie? The setting details and much of the film were great, but once the kids go back to Bartertown... well it's worse than the damn Ewoks at the end of Jedi.

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nah that sums it up pretty good, awesome movie, love the tribe of the crashed plane, love how they go through the tribes culture with the records and so on.


then it turns into little kids beating the big bad deathworld barter town dudes very much like ewoks vs imperials

 sebster wrote:
Am I alone in thinking Thunderdome wasn't a very good movie?

It's a really cool movie right up until Savannah finds Max out in the desert. Then it gradually unravels into complete nonsense.

 Flashman wrote:
For those disappointed, I honestly don't know what you were expecting from the film. It's Mad Max done how Mad Max should be done. And as others have highlighted, there are definitely changes in the pace. I remember the slow bits all too well, because I was getting impatient at the lack of action.

Based on the reviews, I thought it was going to be the best movie ever made. It has an 89 on Metacritic, that puts it in the Top-200 movies of all time. Reviewers talk about it like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, not just another run of the mill action movie.

Saw it this weekend. One of the best movies I've seen in years. Saw it in AVX D-Box where the seat movies with the momentum of the car and you can feel the crashes. It added to the awesomeness.

Just got back from it. Definitely one of the best movies I've seen in years.

I realized my problem with this movie.
All the "Stuff"
I mean, all the supped up cars. How did they get those?
How was a town able to make gasoline? How did they get oil?
How was immortan Joe able to build into the citadel, tap into the aquaferss pump it up to the top of the citadel and then build a system to drop it from his alter.
How did he get 2 caddillac coup de villes in Australia?
How did he build that entire pulley system?

Its all "Cool Look at those awesome supped up cars" until you realize how implausible they are to exist.

 sebster wrote:

 Dreadwinter wrote:
I dunno, I thought the chase scene in to the large sand storm was pretty unique and a nice tempo change. As well as when they get to the part where they pretty much got away, but then got stuck in a bog and the tank vehicle was after them. Max then went and did some pretty shady stuff while they were working on it.

The car sequence in the storm was different, but it was still a car sequence. I'm not complaining about there being lots of car sequences (it's a Mad Max movie afterall), I'm just pointing out it could possibly have benefited from one of the big sequences being a different kind of action scene. It might have meant that the last sequence back through the canyon would have been a lot more exciting.

There were plenty of slow spots in the movie. It just had a lot of action, people tend to forget about them.

I'm not sure if you're talking to me or easysause, here's my comment;
"There were tempo shifts, and I think they were long enough, and the time was well spent expanding the story and setting."

As someone who has been in a tornado that scene was...surreal.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I realized my problem with this movie.
All the "Stuff"
I mean, all the supped up cars. How did they get those?
How was a town able to make gasoline? How did they get oil?
How was immortan Joe able to build into the citadel, tap into the aquaferss pump it up to the top of the citadel and then build a system to drop it from his alter.
How did he get 2 caddillac coup de villes in Australia?
How did he build that entire pulley system?

Its all "Cool Look at those awesome supped up cars" until you realize how implausible they are to exist.

When you watched Star Wars did you need a whole time line established in the movie? Did you need to see actual shipyards or have their whole R&D programs covering creation of fighters and star destroyers, or rather do you roll with what the universe presents and accept that there are resources in place to make such things? I can't recall one discussion about who designs or makes the x-wings in any of those movies, they are just there in the hangers so we assume somebody somewhere makes it. In the spaghetti westerns we don't need an long explanation about how the no name drifter managed to get a horse or his guns or who built the spanish mission in the middle of nowhere. Or in a fantasy movie like Hobbit how does Smaug actually get all that treasure into under mountain when he couldn't actually pick up a coin to save his life (big fumble fingers) We never see Ironman's whole logistics chain so it must be impossible for him to build his suit!

I think you're trying to nitpick at scenic elements that are largely irrelevant to the role of the characters and how they are expressed.


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 easysauce wrote:

lets try to keep the veiled "you are stupid for not seeing things as I do" type comments out of it shall we?


yes, I saw women being used like cattle for milk... Im not saying there were NO SCENES like this, im stating there was far too few scenes that explore the world/story in proportion to the huge amount of scenes that explore things like explosions and chases.
There was not enough scenes to establish the setting, let alone characters... when there are not enough scenes or something to establish proper setting/characters, it just makes the movie lack depth.

You specifically stated that the harem wasn't addressed, when clearly it was (at least twice). So what is your criteria for establishing something strongly enough within the film? To me it seems like you are intentionally ignoring the story elements that the director purposefully inserted yet at the same time claiming there isn't enough development. So I'm pretty confused as to where you are coming from since the harem details you cited as wanting are already in the film. What further elements of detail or expansion would you need for it to feel properly included in the background?

 stanman wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I realized my problem with this movie.
All the "Stuff"
I mean, all the supped up cars. How did they get those?
How was a town able to make gasoline? How did they get oil?
How was immortan Joe able to build into the citadel, tap into the aquaferss pump it up to the top of the citadel and then build a system to drop it from his alter.
How did he get 2 caddillac coup de villes in Australia?
How did he build that entire pulley system?

Its all "Cool Look at those awesome supped up cars" until you realize how implausible they are to exist.

When you watched Star Wars did you need a whole time line established in the movie? Did you need to see actual shipyards or have their whole R&D programs covering creation of fighters and star destroyers, or rather do you roll with what the universe presents and accept that there are resources in place to make such things? I can't recall one discussion about who designs or makes the x-wings in any of those movies, they are just there in the hangers so we assume somebody somewhere makes it. In the spaghetti westerns we don't need an long explanation about how the no name drifter managed to get a horse or his guns or who built the spanish mission in the middle of nowhere. Or in a fantasy movie like Hobbit how does Smaug actually get all that treasure into under mountain when he couldn't actually pick up a coin to save his life (big fumble fingers) We never see Ironman's whole logistics chain so it must be impossible for him to build his suit!

I think you're trying to nitpick at scenic elements that are largely irrelevant to the role of the characters and how they are expressed.

Not applicable. Because its in the future and i can think "At some point, a society with resources and advance Technology was able to do this" but its the post apocalypse. They shouldnt have resources like that. Look at Fallout. Everything is the same as when things wnet boom. People are living in this society with the tech they got.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 stanman wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I realized my problem with this movie.
All the "Stuff"
I mean, all the supped up cars. How did they get those?
How was a town able to make gasoline? How did they get oil?
How was immortan Joe able to build into the citadel, tap into the aquaferss pump it up to the top of the citadel and then build a system to drop it from his alter.
How did he get 2 caddillac coup de villes in Australia?
How did he build that entire pulley system?

Its all "Cool Look at those awesome supped up cars" until you realize how implausible they are to exist.

When you watched Star Wars did you need a whole time line established in the movie? Did you need to see actual shipyards or have their whole R&D programs covering creation of fighters and star destroyers, or rather do you roll with what the universe presents and accept that there are resources in place to make such things? I can't recall one discussion about who designs or makes the x-wings in any of those movies, they are just there in the hangers so we assume somebody somewhere makes it. In the spaghetti westerns we don't need an long explanation about how the no name drifter managed to get a horse or his guns or who built the spanish mission in the middle of nowhere. Or in a fantasy movie like Hobbit how does Smaug actually get all that treasure into under mountain when he couldn't actually pick up a coin to save his life (big fumble fingers) We never see Ironman's whole logistics chain so it must be impossible for him to build his suit!

I think you're trying to nitpick at scenic elements that are largely irrelevant to the role of the characters and how they are expressed.

Not applicable. Because its in the future and i can think "At some point, a society with resources and advance Technology was able to do this" but its the post apocalypse. They shouldnt have resources like that. Look at Fallout. Everything is the same as when things wnet boom. People are living in this society with the tech they got.

Here's my suggestion:

Think of it this way... how reliant on technology are we? How quickly would things go to complete gak if things in MM started happening? (as in, multiple nuclear launches, detonations, mass destruction, etc) as the beginning of the movie discusses.... people turned on each other, and the most successful at protecting themselves gained power. With that power, they further solidified that power in their own way. IMO, Joe the "boss" from Bullet farm, and the oil town each had an industrial base that they were able to coordinate and maintain some trade relations, as each had need of each other.

These older guys, Max, Joe, Bulletfarm dude, oil town dude, etc all lived in a time before the flashes, and have that knowledge of how to operate things. As such, I think that the knowledge base for things like suping up cars still exists, but it has gone from being a current knowledge to one similar to the Odyssey, where it's an "oral tradition"

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Not applicable. Because its in the future and i can think "At some point, a society with resources and advance Technology was able to do this" but its the post apocalypse. They shouldnt have resources like that. Look at Fallout. Everything is the same as when things wnet boom. People are living in this society with the tech they got.

Pulleys and chains are hardly advanced technology, they've been around for several thousand years. It wouldn't take much to build them, the kids working the wheels is an adaptation of a treadwheel crane which dates back to roman times. There are some survivors from before the fall some of which would be mechanics and engineers and would have the skills to rebuild to a certain degree.

It's fairly obvious that they salvage whatever they can, so they probably loot parts from every junkyard and highway wreck they find. After Max is captured they do show that warboy mechanics immediately set about salvaging and repairing the interceptor and within a very short time have it fully running again as it's in the big chase. A full body restoration after being flipped and wrecked like that would not be an easy task. It's post apoc so while they've lost a lot of industry in regard to making new things, it's established that salvage and repair is very common as it's one of the few things that's keeping the survivors alive.

Also classic cars are easier to repair as there are fewer electronic parts to worry about, while they may be gas guzzlers you can fix amost any part on them with some basic tools and a welders set. Modern plastic and electronic components, not so much. Unlike the previous films nothing in fury road says this occurs in Australia, it's just a big wasteland, they also drive on the right unlike in previous films.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 stanman wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I realized my problem with this movie.
All the "Stuff"
I mean, all the supped up cars. How did they get those?
How was a town able to make gasoline? How did they get oil?
How was immortan Joe able to build into the citadel, tap into the aquaferss pump it up to the top of the citadel and then build a system to drop it from his alter.
How did he get 2 caddillac coup de villes in Australia?
How did he build that entire pulley system?

Its all "Cool Look at those awesome supped up cars" until you realize how implausible they are to exist.

When you watched Star Wars did you need a whole time line established in the movie? Did you need to see actual shipyards or have their whole R&D programs covering creation of fighters and star destroyers, or rather do you roll with what the universe presents and accept that there are resources in place to make such things? I can't recall one discussion about who designs or makes the x-wings in any of those movies, they are just there in the hangers so we assume somebody somewhere makes it. In the spaghetti westerns we don't need an long explanation about how the no name drifter managed to get a horse or his guns or who built the spanish mission in the middle of nowhere. Or in a fantasy movie like Hobbit how does Smaug actually get all that treasure into under mountain when he couldn't actually pick up a coin to save his life (big fumble fingers) We never see Ironman's whole logistics chain so it must be impossible for him to build his suit!

I think you're trying to nitpick at scenic elements that are largely irrelevant to the role of the characters and how they are expressed.

Not applicable. Because its in the future and i can think "At some point, a society with resources and advance Technology was able to do this" but its the post apocalypse. They shouldnt have resources like that. Look at Fallout. Everything is the same as when things wnet boom. People are living in this society with the tech they got.

Here's my suggestion:

Think of it this way... how reliant on technology are we? How quickly would things go to complete gak if things in MM started happening? (as in, multiple nuclear launches, detonations, mass destruction, etc) as the beginning of the movie discusses.... people turned on each other, and the most successful at protecting themselves gained power. With that power, they further solidified that power in their own way. IMO, Joe the "boss" from Bullet farm, and the oil town each had an industrial base that they were able to coordinate and maintain some trade relations, as each had need of each other.

These older guys, Max, Joe, Bulletfarm dude, oil town dude, etc all lived in a time before the flashes, and have that knowledge of how to operate things. As such, I think that the knowledge base for things like suping up cars still exists, but it has gone from being a current knowledge to one similar to the Odyssey, where it's an "oral tradition"

But Immortan Joe and Kalishnikov(The bullet farm guy) where said to be career generals. and they stumbled across the citadel when they where fighting the original inhabitants. it was said to be barren and nothing before that. It just makes no sense.


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 stanman wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:


Also classic cars are easier to repair as there are fewer electronic parts to worry about, while they may be gas guzzlers you can fix amost any part on them with some basic tools and a welders set. Modern plastic and electronic components, not so much. Unlike the previous films nothing in fury road says this occurs in Australia, it's just a big wasteland, they also drive on the right unlike in previous films.

Nope, most cars where actually on the right hand side. Only Joes and the War Rig where different.
And it take place in Australia because I doubt mad max was able to cross the ocean in the intermission

delete

Nope. It was in the prequel comic.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Nope. It was in the prequel comic.

The comic which was not the movie?

Yes, in the comic it is shown bullet guy and joe stumble upon it. and it was nothing.

So you are judging the movie by what is in a comic? And not the judging the movie within it's own context, seems legit.

 TheSilo wrote:

 Flashman wrote:
For those disappointed, I honestly don't know what you were expecting from the film. It's Mad Max done how Mad Max should be done. And as others have highlighted, there are definitely changes in the pace. I remember the slow bits all too well, because I was getting impatient at the lack of action.

Based on the reviews, I thought it was going to be the best movie ever made. It has an 89 on Metacritic, that puts it in the Top-200 movies of all time. Reviewers talk about it like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, not just another run of the mill action movie.

It isn't a run of the mill action movie. There is a lot going on, but since it isn't communicated in traditional modes some people don't notice or just don't enjoy it.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 stanman wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I realized my problem with this movie.
All the "Stuff"
I mean, all the supped up cars. How did they get those?
How was a town able to make gasoline? How did they get oil?
How was immortan Joe able to build into the citadel, tap into the aquaferss pump it up to the top of the citadel and then build a system to drop it from his alter.
How did he get 2 caddillac coup de villes in Australia?
How did he build that entire pulley system?

Its all "Cool Look at those awesome supped up cars" until you realize how implausible they are to exist.

When you watched Star Wars did you need a whole time line established in the movie? Did you need to see actual shipyards or have their whole R&D programs covering creation of fighters and star destroyers, or rather do you roll with what the universe presents and accept that there are resources in place to make such things? I can't recall one discussion about who designs or makes the x-wings in any of those movies, they are just there in the hangers so we assume somebody somewhere makes it. In the spaghetti westerns we don't need an long explanation about how the no name drifter managed to get a horse or his guns or who built the spanish mission in the middle of nowhere. Or in a fantasy movie like Hobbit how does Smaug actually get all that treasure into under mountain when he couldn't actually pick up a coin to save his life (big fumble fingers) We never see Ironman's whole logistics chain so it must be impossible for him to build his suit!

I think you're trying to nitpick at scenic elements that are largely irrelevant to the role of the characters and how they are expressed.

Not applicable. Because its in the future and i can think "At some point, a society with resources and advance Technology was able to do this" but its the post apocalypse. They shouldnt have resources like that. Look at Fallout. Everything is the same as when things wnet boom. People are living in this society with the tech they got.

Star Wars takes place in the past.

 TheSilo wrote:
I Nicholas Hoult is very good, except that his character does a 180-degree personality turn for no apparent reason.

Yeah, that's more of that 'plague of modern movies' thing I mentioned above. We don't need to have absolutely every goddamn thing explained. Pacing and focus matter way more than explaining detail.

This, oh god this!

They could always have introduced a scene like the one with the Architect in Matrix Reloaded, that explained everything down to the level of mathematical equation and IIRC was extremely popular

My thoughts:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/650015.page#7858089

That aside..........what DO people eat?

Didn't see many scenes of people eating, except live two headed lizards and spiders.

Well then there's your answer...

Kidding, we saw the greenery which I took to be massive food stocks being grown, when he was rushing to the harem to check on his wives. I had imagined the food would be done like the water (Well not exactly). It'd be sent down on the lift or something.

 Swastakowey wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok, explain it. Explain how we know her motivation.
It isnt that clear. Why did she steal the wives in the first place.
Hell, HOW did she get into the vault?


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I mean Nux was the best Char in the movie

Nux was the only actual character in the movie really. But he died.

But we didnt see his body.

Then again it was a heroic sacrifice so....

Seeing only a couple people disliking it, I think I'm gonna pick up the 2 pack of Mad Max from Walmart, watch it before the weekend, then go see it over the weekend. Girlfriend has no interest in it, and friends already saw it, so I'm gonna be flying solo for it. Looking forward to it.