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Wow, that Dossier is a pretty big step up in their editing. Still not error free, but much less irritating than the rule books have been.

Glad to see the new Deadzone starter set is 100% hard plastic and a much better entry price point than the 1st edition. Good work Mantic.

And I am in agreement with Alpharius, those Forge Father's look too good to resist.

The dossier is a fun read, and from a fluff perspective is a step up. I didn't get to read it until now.

The bit about bone density testing tied nicely into me watching Ajin on Netflix recently. I like the more cold war style conflict between the two factions as well.

New Enforcer Dossier
https://warpathuniverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/dossier-enforcers-002.pdf

I'm a retail Deadzone 1 buyer and emailed them awhile back about getting the new PDF. I got a response that sounded like a yes, but so far haven't got the PDF. Have any other retail buyers gotten it?

Is there any mention of the mat material (I assume just paper again?)

 Alpharius wrote:
As much as I might want to, I cannot resist the Forge Fathers stuff!

They do look really nice don't they..

Yeah it's paper, that and the rough halving of the terrain in the box compared to the original was their way to get the price of the 2 player starter down as close to impulse purchase price territory as possible.

 NTRabbit wrote:
Yeah it's paper, that and the rough halving of the terrain in the box compared to the original was their way to get the price of the 2 player starter down as close to impulse purchase price territory as possible.

That's smart though. Hell, I backed DZ1, passed on the rest, and even I'd be inclined at the right price point to pick up DZ2. I've got four restic factions, the dwarves look ace, and I'd have a decent chunk of terrain.

I just wish I knew where that nicer mat went...

For those actively playing dz2 NOS, is a 2'*2' field stil recommended? I have the sw board zo that's kind of important to me :-)

Did I hear that the GCPS Corporation would also have Deadzone rules in 2.0? I might be interested to pick it up if I can play them and build a few factions from hard plastic. The last edition of the game's rules were pretty lopsided in the campaign and the restic was the worst material I'd ever had to deal with (barring maybe finecast).

GCPS aren't in the book at printing, but I'd be shocked if we didn't get a GCPS-centric PDF a little further down the road, once the new stuff from the Warpath KS starts getting close to retail.


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 Bolognesus wrote:
For those actively playing dz2 NOS, is a 2'*2' field stil recommended? I have the sw board zo that's kind of important to me :-)

Yes, an 8x8 grid of 3" squares (ie 2'x2') is still the specified playing surface size, as per 'Set Up the Battlefield' on page 9. The only specific mention of multimat games so far is for a "challenge" level on a mission in the Infestation book, but there's a general bit about increasing points limits for fun in the main book.

Great, thanks.

 NTRabbit wrote:
Yeah it's paper, that and the rough halving of the terrain in the box compared to the original was their way to get the price of the 2 player starter down as close to impulse purchase price territory as possible.

OK thanks. Does V2 have the same board size as the original game, and if so are there any third party better mat types available? (i.e. mouse pad style?)

Nothing wrong with the paper as a starter but would like to have something a bit more heavy duty!

@Pacific

Mantic make two styles of them, but deadzone being re-released means that the urban one isn't up on the site again yet. The newer red mat should release sometime after may.

These are all assumptions, but seem reasonable seeing as the DZI lockdown pledge includes a 'deluxe' mat with the newer design.

Additionally mantic sell a tablescape board made specifically for deadzone, being HIPS it seems like it would be pretty sturdy.
http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/mantic-scenery-and-terrain/tablescapes-gaming-boards/product/deadzone-tablescapes-gaming-table-2x2.html

 NobodyXY wrote:
New Enforcer Dossier
https://warpathuniverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/dossier-enforcers-002.pdf

Ugh, that Enforcer fluff is still just so infuriatingly bad! That fluff PDF reads like something a teenager would have come up with and then tried to convince all his friends how cool they would be. "None of the super-secret soldiers using super secret technology are allowed to be seen without their helmets" (right underneath a picture of 5 Pathfinders showing their faces), "All of them have identical uniforms" (same picture showing some Enforcers wearing cloaks, wearing Peacekeeper armor, and wearing Pathfinder tanktop armor. With no helmets.) "And everything about them is a mystery, but they're really famous heroes and everybody knows how awesome they are and can tell the famous named units apart from the identically uniformed not-named not-famous ones, but remember nobody actually knows anything about them because they're super secret super soldiers! Their armor is the best and their ships are the best and they can't die, even when you shoot them a lot, but nobody knows they're actually super humans since nobody has seen them when they don't want to be seen! And there's even MORE super-elite ones and you can tell because they wear... (wait for it!) ALL BLACK!" /facepalm

Why can't they please just be the Corporations' elite super-soldiers, used by the larger Corporations for their own specal interests? Instead of some Mystery-Military bull, why couldn't they have been rare and elite because even large corporations can only afford to make and equip small amounts of them? Please? Nope, they're super-secret commandos using super-secret technology and answerable only to the super-secret Council. Which is not only incredibly uninteresting but also means there is absolutely NO reason for an Enforcer on Enforcer battle, ever. There's even less justification than Space Marine vs Space Marine battles. *sigh*






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 NobodyXY wrote:
Additionally mantic sell a tablescape board made specifically for deadzone, being HIPS it seems like it would be pretty sturdy.
http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/mantic-scenery-and-terrain/tablescapes-gaming-boards/product/deadzone-tablescapes-gaming-table-2x2.html

They're made by Secret Weapon Miniatures and have been available since Deadzone1 KS for $80 USD, but being able to get them from Mantic if you live in the EU is a nice option, won't have to pay such high shipping and import taxes. If you're in the US and never saw those before, you can get them here since Mantic does't ship them outside EU

http://www.secretweaponminiatures.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=706

@Kal
The most common in universe reason for enforcers to fight is field training. Imagine modern day exercises on a smaller scale. Actually It's probably closer to how tactical response teams train. This gives a pretty good reason as to why you'd see different markings and colours. Shirts vs Skins basically.

That being said the enforcers are my least favourite fluff wise. But I think thats mostly because I can't personalize them as easily. It can be done though.

For example a strike team that has been tasked time and again with cleansing veermyn infested cargo ships. After a prolonged deep space op, cleansing countless cargo ships they've developed ticks. essentially I said "okay, enforcers must have a breaking point right? What happens when they cross it and how would that look?"

I came to the conclusion that certain enforcers would develop nervous ticks, some would become sullen or depressed, others would take trophies. all this cumulates into a strike team perfect for cleaning out rat nests, but one that shouldn't or can't reintegrate back into the main enforcer army. You've got an apocalypse now style enforcer team basically being swept under the rug and eventually a shiny new enforcer team is being sent to cleanse the first...


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Yeah I would have linked to the main site too, but I figured that would be fine for @Pacific

Miniature Market carries those, too:

http://www.miniaturemarket.com/swmts0406.html?gclid=CjwKEAjwgPe4BRCB66GG8PO69QkSJAC4EhHhodbqaUixyGJCalcZ8AAZO86K3ixs6sQ_vIo02nzq5hoCFefw_wcB

I don't know of any third party makers off hand that produce Deadzone mats already, but most mouse mat/vinyl makers offer the ability to put a hex grid over one of their existing pictures as a custom order, it's not that much of a stretch to get a 3" square grid.

So the Enforcers are lacking personality and individuality while at the same time being too powerful in the fluff for the tabletop?


Here's the solution: have the enforcers overthrow the four largest companies and keep their CEOs in cages, then model their civilization after Egyptian dynasties and Dr Doom. Boom, solved.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
So the Enforcers are lacking personality and individuality while at the same time being too powerful in the fluff for the tabletop?


Here's the solution: have the enforcers overthrow the four largest companies and keep their CEOs in cages, then model their civilization after Egyptian dynasties and Dr Doom. Boom, solved.

Between this and the dalek drawing a while back I vote Bob for mantic art director

...but seriously, ugh. Baaaad fluff.

Eh, the enforcer fluff is fine in concept. The idea of an elite detachment of soldiers who polices the other corporations to make sure they behave sounds alright.

The problem though is how its written. Like, they can't show their faces? Then why does that enforcer in that Deadzone art have his mask lifted? What about those light enforcer infantry, who don't wear helmets at all.
I also like how they are unmatched in the galaxy, and yet in the Forge Father dossier there's a story about an enforcer detachment getting beaten hard by Forge Fathers

It's a parody of GW's Space Marine fluff, but done in such a way that it's really unfunny.

Warpath fluff is a response to the times, just like 40k fluff was: 40k was a response to the fascism of Thatcher's Britain, while Warpath is a response to the current corporate dystopia.

The GCPS armies are PMCs that are now the legitimate armed forces in the absence of national identities, the evolution of today's SerCo, G4S, etc while the Enforcers are an extension of the special forces of today - mysterious, revered, everyone wants to be in them (half the internet pretends to be on forums), and in Warpath they've continued serving the central governments long after those governments transitioned from being political, to corporate boards. The pharmacological, biological, and technological 'augmentations' have followed the trajectory they're already steaming along.

I think it's very suitable fluff.


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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Like, they can't show their faces? Then why does that enforcer in that Deadzone art have his mask lifted?

When you see video footage of US SWAT teams, Carabinieri, Gendarmes, Guardia Civil, any of those special units they use for anything from counter-terror raids to suppression of protest groups, do you ever see their faces? Have you never noticed that every single one of them is always wearing a balaclava under their tactical helmet whenever there's public and/or cameras nearby? Same goes for special forces in Afghanistan. That's what the can't show their faces thing is about.

The Enforcer Pathfinders are always in the field, never near cameras, that's why they don't have masks, regular Enforcers and Peacekeepers are in the fluff being called in for civil work like busting up riots.

The only one who ever shows his face is the stern captain, the face of authority whose necessity exceeds the facelessness required of all the other troopers.


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 BrookM wrote:
It's a parody of GW's Space Marine fluff, but done in such a way that it's really unfunny.

It's really not

When I opened my Enforcer stuff back in V,1 I set all the bits down, and just completely lost the only non covered head in the entire force.

Pathfinders would look strange with helmets. Might give it a try when I can just to see though.

 NTRabbit wrote:


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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Like, they can't show their faces? Then why does that enforcer in that Deadzone art have his mask lifted?

When you see video footage of US SWAT teams, Carabinieri, Gendarmes, Guardia Civil, any of those special units they use for anything from counter-terror raids to suppression of protest groups, do you ever see their faces? Have you never noticed that every single one of them is always wearing a balaclava under their tactical helmet whenever there's public and/or cameras nearby? Same goes for special forces in Afghanistan. That's what the can't show their faces thing is about.

The Enforcer Pathfinders are always in the field, never near cameras, that's why they don't have masks, regular Enforcers and Peacekeepers are in the fluff being called in for civil work like busting up riots.

The only one who ever shows his face is the stern captain, the face of authority whose necessity exceeds the facelessness required of all the other troopers.

You misunderstand; I'm not complaning that they can't show their faces in lore, I'm saying its inconsistent with what they have shown us.
Good point about the pathfinders though. Makes sense.

I don't think it's inconsistent - aside from the Pathfinders, the only unmasked Peacekeeper we've ever seen is the one in Peacekeeper that features on the origina box art. I just flicked through the new rules and the dossier, the rules have only the same captain art, and the dossier has one Peacekeeper with assault gear and the same fliptop head. Which is what the dossier says

"Every man is identically uniformed, and only the field commanders are
allowed to show their faces from behind their enclosed helmets"

I think the Enforcer Engineer came with an option to build him with his face hanging out? That or I built him wrong. The pathfinder monocyclist had her face out too on the mounted version, I think, and the new hard plastic pathfinders have a couple of faces too- though fluff-wise, pathfinders might be a different kettle of fish.

 Taaloc wrote:
I think the Enforcer Engineer came with an option to build him with his face hanging out? That or I built him wrong. The pathfinder monocyclist had her face out too on the mounted version, I think, and the new hard plastic pathfinders have a couple of faces too- though fluff-wise, pathfinders might be a different kettle of fish.

I think that was a headswap with the peacekeeper captain from the KS. I'm not 100% sure about that but I did the same thing IIRC.

You may not be familiar with such items as "everyone has to wear helmets in Dreadball"....*Asterian team is sculpted*

Mantic hasn't got to grips with a consistent string running through concept art, fluff, rules and sculpts yet.

 MLaw wrote:

 Taaloc wrote:
I think the Enforcer Engineer came with an option to build him with his face hanging out? That or I built him wrong. The pathfinder monocyclist had her face out too on the mounted version, I think, and the new hard plastic pathfinders have a couple of faces too- though fluff-wise, pathfinders might be a different kettle of fish.

I think that was a headswap with the peacekeeper captain from the KS. I'm not 100% sure about that but I did the same thing IIRC.

the headswap was definitely for the Captain. Considering the plastic sprues for regular and peace keeper Enforcers have all masked heads, I suppose that at least is keeping with the fluff. And, to be fair, the original Pathfinder figure was wearing a mask as well. They probably should've included a few of those with the Pathfinder sprues as well.