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The only reason DKoK have Commissars in the first place is to prevent them from fixing bayonets and charging the enemy at first sight.

 GKTiberius wrote:
I take most of my information form the Lexicanium website
vehicles : http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Adepta_Sororitas_Vehicles_(List) vs. the SM list: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Space_Marine_Weaponry_(List)
Weapons: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Adepta_Sororitas_Weaponry_(List) Vs the SM list: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Space_Marine_Vehicles_(List)

I did not ask for sources about that. I already addressed it. The new marine stuff pop up all the time coming out of nowhere, and suddenly it was there all along. New Sororitas stuff will do the same if they get a new codex. It is only related to how many Sisters miniature line GW wants to produce, not in any way a representation of the marines having a wider variety of wargear.

 GKTiberius wrote:
As far as being left to defend places

I did not ask for proofs of that either.

 GKTiberius wrote:
When I say forgotten about, I mean they are pretty much left to their own devices and expected to make do with what they have, not literally forgotten about. They are supported nominally, but don't receive near the gear and support as a space marine chapter does.

I would like a source on that.

 GKTiberius wrote:
as to their roles as guardians and protectors I direct you to the following passage from Lexicanium:

I do not need a source on that, I already know about it.

 GKTiberius wrote:
As far as quality of equipment is concerned, I hold up the example of the dreadnought to the penitent engine.

The penitent engine is from the Ecclesiarchy, not the Sororitas. They are like the big brothers of arcoflagellants. But anyway, you are comparing apple and oranges here.

 GKTiberius wrote:
SOB are extremely good at what they do, which is purge humanity of heresy and fight for the ecclesiarchy, but they are no where near on equal footings with SM chapters, as the SM are post humans and operate on a level that average humans cant match. if they could, the Space Marine would serve no purpose. you cannot compare a physically average human in power armor to a 7.5 foot tall post human that was literally genetically engineered to be the best fighters that humanity has to offer and is neurally connected to that suite of armor so it is literally an extension of his body. It is an empirical fact.

Well, that is, like, your opinion, man! And beside, you are using empirical wrong here.

 GKTiberius wrote:
Also in most fluff barring some sort of Deus Ex Machina from the Emperor or an external force, most stories about the SOB end with most or all of the sisters dying horribly but faithfully in the service of the Emperor, Its kind of their thing.

Nope.


Could you please provide some sources for those specific assumptions:
- The Ecclesiarchy spends more money on cathedrals that it does on sisters' wargear.
- The Ecclesiarchy sometime leave a whole priory to its own device and expect them to make to with what they have rather than give them access to the very best wargear available and treating them lavishly.
- In the eyes of the Ecclesiarchy, the Sisters are expendable.

 Wyzilla wrote:
A joke with no evidence you constantly fail to provide for. Either cough up evidence or don't bring it up.

A joke needs no evidence. It needs to be funny, that is all. But beside that, evidence of marines being turn-cloak ? Read any bit about Chaos Marines. Space Wolves seems super-good at that, I give them the Oxayotl Special Turn-Cloak Award.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

The Imperial Guard morale tends to hold when fighting the horrors of their galaxy, so I wouldn't count on that.

Not really, no. As soon as their commissars die, they crumble really fast (even DKoK are not immune to this). And who do you think would die first?

Oh, I know! I know the answer!
The marines would die first!

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

 GKTiberius wrote:
Even if the power armor is the same Astartes have access to terminator armor and centurion armor, which sisters certainly don't have. Also bikes, and drop pods. so it has been fairly well established that equipment and vehicle wise, the sisters are not up to the Astartes level

.. except when the Sororitas is used to decapitate a renegade Marine Chapter.

Note the convenient omission of numbers.

What numbers? He is saying that Sisters have drop pods when they decapitate a renegade Marine Chapter. Which they do.
And again, again, again, all this equipment will pop out of nowhere when GW decide it is time to release new Sisters models.

SIsters of Battle do not have the power armour Space Marines possess. I'm not sure if this is a serious argument but SM definitely have better equipment than sisters do and a lot of the reason for that is because SM are super human, Sisters are not. Here's a link from Lexicanum about power armour, read overview.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Power_Armour

 jhe90 wrote:
one marine vs 100 guard, wel marines are alot more skilled, and capable so they would not take on 100, pick off Smaller groups, ambush, insurgency warfare, traps and has one key advantage, they can go anywhere, they can cross toxic areas no trouble or take them into places humans are going to suffer.

they can beat 100, maybe even 1000 in right place but not quick, over weeks, months of attrition warfare.

And by the same token, once spotted, the Marine can be engaged, pinned in place by superior numbers and fire, surrounded quite easily, and killed. Supply problems become a huge issue (how many bolter rounds is he carrying? how many grenades? how long will his armor remain powered? what if a servo breaks? etc).

Numbers become real huge force multipliers.

I mean, yeah, German Tiger Tanks were scary machines, often with kill ratios of 10-1 or better on the Eastern Front, but when the Soviet's ultimately were producing 80 T-34's for every Tiger produced, they can shove 11 at the Tiger to kill it with 69 of them simply go around it and engage weaker opposition and destroy rear area logistical support and leave the Tiger stuck 8km behind enemy lines by the time the day is over.

Same applies to Space Marines.

It's not like the Guardsmen also aren't capable of ambushes, traps, etc.

Besides, it's hard to be stealthy and set ambushes and engage in insurgency style warfare when you're 8 feet tall sporting blazingly bright colored armor

 Lord Tarkin wrote:
SIsters of Battle do not have the power armour Space Marines possess. I'm not sure if this is a serious argument but SM definitely have better equipment than sisters do and a lot of the reason for that is because SM are super human, Sisters are not. Here's a link from Lexicanum about power armour, read overview.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Power_Armour

From that very article you linked:

Lexicanum, "Power Armour" wrote:
The Adepta Sororitas use a version of power armour designed for the human shape and size, known as Sororitas Power Armour. Sororitas Power Armour is the only enduring legacy of the reign of Goge Vandire, who commissioned the armour for his Brides of the Emperor, where today it serves the Sisters of Battle. Crafted by the forges of Mars, Sororitas Power Armour is relatively lighter than most suits, providing excellent protection and increased strength at negligible loss to the user's mobility and agility. It uses the same power source as the Astartes, and thus will effectively last forever if properly maintained and undamaged.[5]

Though Sororitas Power Armour provides the same level of protection as suits worn by the Space Marines, the lack of a Black Carapace means the Battle Sister cannot fully interface with the armour and so lacks the same strength enhancement and other advanced life-support features found in Astartes power armour.[3] Still, Sororitas Power Armour does improve the user's strength and allows them to better handle heavy weapons more easily.[5]

The 'Sabbat' Pattern Sororitas Helm has been a standard part of this power armour since the mid-38th Millennium. In addition to a comm-link and rebreather unit for limited operation in a total vacuum, the helmet includes full-spectrum filtering and psycho-oculal buffering to assist the (less physically durable) human mind from being rendered insensible by battlefield conditions.[3] For the Battle Sisters of the Calixis Sector, this helm is issued only after they have proven themselves worthy of wearing it.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Soroitas do have drop pods.........same as they have ships.

The Astartes having Superheavies in current 40k is very new - hence the refrence to GW doig new stuff - as you are no doubt aware - the 40k universe is changing on a weekly basis - witness all the new stuff about the Skitari etc recently.

Skitari have augmentations that make them as close to robots as their magos can - Sororitas - like Asrates can and do have cybernetic replacements.

All GW sources say that Power armour for the Sisters gives same protection but not the same level of cool stuff as the Astartes mainly due to the black carapace interface.

Game mechanics state it has the same armor rating, and only on TT. FFG rates their armor lower, plus Sisters tend to get slaughtered in the Black Library with very little fuss. Not to mention in simple design Sister power armor is godawful and will lead to the wearer being extremely vulnerable to blunt trauma. And the boobplate works like a massive shot trap that will cause things like bolts to glance right into the sternum.

And no, neither Astartes or Sisters have augmentation anywhere near the level of Skitarii elite besides Space Marine Dreadnoughts. Skitarii of high enough rank get to the level where they have Astartes grade armor for skin and have assault cannons for arms. Not to mention are on a constant high of combat stims that render them fully immune to pain. Skitarii can get to the level where you need multiple Space Marines to equal ONE of those brutes.

FFG is not GW - GW have Always stated in ALL their fluff that the level of protection is equal to Astartes - FFG changed it a bit for their RPG -for "reasons" like quite alot of things in fact.

The practilacilites of the armour as we perceive them are irrelevent - their are bullet traps all over the place for all sorts of 4ok things - but again lets go back to the actual GW fluff - and that says.............same level of protection - always.

Game mechanics have no bearing on the actual universe. Saves, weapon skill, strength, etc mean absolutely nothing as they cannot translate into any greater understanding of the universe. They're stats, and they exist for a game. They have no bearing on the "reality" of 40K.

Also, FFG is directly overseen by GW and most of their material is copied from other GW material.

If you read what I said you will note that I confirmed that all FLUFF not game stats confirms that the Sororitas armour provides same level of PROTECTION - only in FFG's rpg did this change which strangely enough is a game stat - which we (according to you) should ignore - so that all sorted then - even 40k Lex confirms the same level of protection.

The difference is that the Marine is already superhuman and the armour makes them even more formidable - more so than a Sororitas.

Marine fanboys (which includes, by their own admission, the Fantasy Flight team) are contractually incapable of admitting that Sororitas power armour (and everything else Sororitas-related) is anything other than inferior in every way, there's just no arguing with them.

I mean, come on, FFG went so far as to state that Sisters have to earn their helmets in battle. So much for "a standart part of the armour".

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Marine fanboys (which includes, by their own admission, the Fantasy Flight team) are contractually incapable of admitting that Sororitas power armour (and everything else Sororitas-related) is anything other than inferior in every way, there's just no arguing with them.

Welcome to the 40k Background forum, where fanboys & fangirls have their mosh pit. I am pretty sure no one in this thread is innocent in this, and the Marine fans certainly don't seem the worst.

Yes, but Ashi, you self-admit to having an overblown personal 40k. :p

The other factors with marines is, whilst they may be incapacitated by guardsmen in the battle field, the incapacitation may only be seconds, minutes or hours... The likely hood of the guardsmen being about to stop and confirm the kill are slim to none.

Visa versa, the marines may not kill the guardsmen by punching them straight in the face with their power armour, but the guardsmen may be a total vegetable afterwords, a much more unlikely outcome for a marine.

You can cut a marines arms and legs off, it probably won't kill him though as they don't tend to bleed out, a marine doing the same to a guardsmen, or sister of battle is a different story.

I think the fluff is correct that a hunkered down, well defended and prepared squad of marines could probably confront 1000 basically armed guardsmen, visa versa, depending on deployment mechanism, those same 10 marines could probably clear a building of 1000 guardsmen, or a ship.

On the open battlefield though, no.... no chance. It's all context.

There's been a lot of comparison between marines and guardsman and sisters in this thread but this has been discussed for ever in other articles.

How do you think Scitarii and Tempestus Scions compare to Marines?

Scions fit a similar roles to Marines preferring not to fight long drawn out battles while Scitarii are augmented to have a lot of characteristics Marines have such as being programmed warriors and very tough even if the reason they have these traits is different.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
The other factors with marines is, whilst they may be incapacitated by guardsmen in the battle field, the incapacitation may only be seconds, minutes or hours... The likely hood of the guardsmen being about to stop and confirm the kill are slim to none.

Visa versa, the marines may not kill the guardsmen by punching them straight in the face with their power armour, but the guardsmen may be a total vegetable afterwords, a much more unlikely outcome for a marine.

You can cut a marines arms and legs off, it probably won't kill him though as they don't tend to bleed out, a marine doing the same to a guardsmen, or sister of battle is a different story.

I think the fluff is correct that a hunkered down, well defended and prepared squad of marines could probably confront 1000 basically armed guardsmen, visa versa, depending on deployment mechanism, those same 10 marines could probably clear a building of 1000 guardsmen, or a ship.

On the open battlefield though, no.... no chance. It's all context.

Indeed - Wearing Power Armour is not what makes Marines awesome - being a Marine makes the awesome - a naked marine - armed or unmared is extremely dangerous- adding extremely effective armour just makes them even more so.

Someone on the forum wrote a cool piece on how a releitvely few Night Lords would be able to destroy an entire modern city with little to no causitlies using their strengths..........

Scitarii are a new thing to consider really - they have always been there but until very recently except for a few novels - very little info.

High grade Scitarii are definately very effective and can match or even exceed a Marine in one area - say speed, strength, senses, combat skill but not all of them - plus Scitarri are often not hugely inteligent - or at least thats how it used to be..........

Taffy17 wrote:
There's been a lot of comparison between marines and guardsman and sisters in this thread but this has been discussed for ever in other articles.

How do you think Scitarii and Tempestus Scions compare to Marines?

Scions fit a similar roles to Marines preferring not to fight long drawn out battles while Scitarii are augmented to have a lot of characteristics Marines have such as being programmed warriors and very tough even if the reason they have these traits is different.

Can't you kick Scions out of a spaceship and expect them to survive re-entry ready to stab the nearest bloke who looks at them funny? They're a pretty hardcore lot.

You can, but it's a rather stupid piece of fluff. I can buy them survive in space, but atmospheric entry is a little too much

 Tyran wrote:

 Exergy wrote:

Taffy17 wrote:
I think its said that 1 Marine is worth 100 guardsman, so how many Scions, Skitarii or Sisters do you think 1 Marine would be worth?

There are some scale issues. Marines get better the larger the scale.

A single marine might only be able to take 10 guardsmen
10 marines could probably handle 500 guardsmen.

The increase in scale makes the marines better and better

Its actually the inverse. At a small scale the Space Marine will do far better. That's why Space Marines are the IoM's precise surgical tool while the Imperial Guard is the IoM's hammer.

I disagree. At large scale a lot of the guard end up being to far away to effectively fight or if they clump it makes shooting for the marines easier.
In large scale a lot of guardsmen would end up shooting the same marine who might already be knocked out of action.

Also at large scale, the guardsmen will be more likely to break in fear.

Think of medieval knights. 10 peasants could probably take out a knight on horseback if they were deterimed. 100 knights can trample/cut down a nearly limitless amount of peasants.

 Lord Tarkin wrote:
SIsters of Battle do not have the power armour Space Marines possess.

Yeah, they have a different one, which lacks stuff like recycling urine into nutriment, monitoring the adrenaline level and such stuff. But it does provide the same level of protection and strength enhancement.
Because Sisters do not have holes in their (black carapace) skin to wire all the sensors and stuff from astartes power armor

 Lord Tarkin wrote:
I'm not sure if this is a serious argument but SM definitely have better equipment than sisters do and a lot of the reason for that is because SM are super human

How does being super human gives you better gun?

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Soroitas do have drop pods.........same as they have ships.

The Astartes having Superheavies in current 40k is very new - hence the refrence to GW doig new stuff - as you are no doubt aware - the 40k universe is changing on a weekly basis - witness all the new stuff about the Skitari etc recently.

Skitari have augmentations that make them as close to robots as their magos can - Sororitas - like Asrates can and do have cybernetic replacements.

All GW sources say that Power armour for the Sisters gives same protection but not the same level of cool stuff as the Astartes mainly due to the black carapace interface.

Game mechanics state it has the same armor rating, and only on TT. FFG rates their armor lower, plus Sisters tend to get slaughtered in the Black Library with very little fuss. Not to mention in simple design Sister power armor is godawful and will lead to the wearer being extremely vulnerable to blunt trauma. And the boobplate works like a massive shot trap that will cause things like bolts to glance right into the sternum.

And no, neither Astartes or Sisters have augmentation anywhere near the level of Skitarii elite besides Space Marine Dreadnoughts. Skitarii of high enough rank get to the level where they have Astartes grade armor for skin and have assault cannons for arms. Not to mention are on a constant high of combat stims that render them fully immune to pain. Skitarii can get to the level where you need multiple Space Marines to equal ONE of those brutes.

FFG is not GW - GW have Always stated in ALL their fluff that the level of protection is equal to Astartes - FFG changed it a bit for their RPG -for "reasons" like quite alot of things in fact.

The practilacilites of the armour as we perceive them are irrelevent - their are bullet traps all over the place for all sorts of 4ok things - but again lets go back to the actual GW fluff - and that says.............same level of protection - always.

Game mechanics have no bearing on the actual universe. Saves, weapon skill, strength, etc mean absolutely nothing as they cannot translate into any greater understanding of the universe. They're stats, and they exist for a game. They have no bearing on the "reality" of 40K.

Also, FFG is directly overseen by GW and most of their material is copied from other GW material.

If you read what I said you will note that I confirmed that all FLUFF not game stats confirms that the Sororitas armour provides same level of PROTECTION - only in FFG's rpg did this change which strangely enough is a game stat - which we (according to you) should ignore - so that all sorted then - even 40k Lex confirms the same level of protection.

The difference is that the Marine is already superhuman and the armour makes them even more formidable - more so than a Sororitas.

You mean outdated 3rd edition fluff that's behind by four editions? Oh right. That fluff. Old gets tossed in favor of the new- especially when it doesn't even make sense that Sister power armor could be the same grade as Astartes or Iinquisitors. Again, it's too thin and form fitting. That's bad.

It is also not only inferior in strength. Absence of Black Carapace also makes it far more clumsy and unwieldy. The difference is massive.

 Exergy wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

 Exergy wrote:

Taffy17 wrote:
I think its said that 1 Marine is worth 100 guardsman, so how many Scions, Skitarii or Sisters do you think 1 Marine would be worth?

There are some scale issues. Marines get better the larger the scale.

A single marine might only be able to take 10 guardsmen
10 marines could probably handle 500 guardsmen.

The increase in scale makes the marines better and better

Its actually the inverse. At a small scale the Space Marine will do far better. That's why Space Marines are the IoM's precise surgical tool while the Imperial Guard is the IoM's hammer.

I disagree. At large scale a lot of the guard end up being to far away to effectively fight or if they clump it makes shooting for the marines easier.
In large scale a lot of guardsmen would end up shooting the same marine who might already be knocked out of action.

Also at large scale, the guardsmen will be more likely to break in fear.

Think of medieval knights. 10 peasants could probably take out a knight on horseback if they were deterimed. 100 knights can trample/cut down a nearly limitless amount of peasants.

This is far different than Medieval warfare. The Marines excel at small scale engagements (boarding, taking out enemy leadership, etc.), while the Guard excels at large scale ones.

The thing is that in large scale engagement the Marines expose themselves to weapons that can easily kill them (Medieval Knights didn't have this problem), that combined with their very few numbers mean that the Marines suck at attrition warfare. As one example, in the third book of the World Bearers trilogy several thousands World Bearers went against the Imperial Guard. The kill ratio was 1 Marine for every 50 Guardsmen, which was hilariously in the Guards' favor as they had billions of guardsmen.

The only way the Marines can defeat the Guard in a large scale engagement is if the morale of the Guard fails. But if it holds the Marines are steamrolled.

 Wyzilla wrote:
especially when it doesn't even make sense that Sister power armor could be the same grade as Astartes or Iinquisitors. Again, it's too thin and form fitting. That's bad.

How does it not make sense, and how is this thin and form-fitting?

 Ashiraya wrote:
It is also not only inferior in strength.

It is not inferior in strength.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Absence of Black Carapace also makes it far more clumsy and unwieldy.

It is not clumsy or unwieldy, it just does not act as a second skin. This mean that if a marine and a sister wanted to read something in braille, then the sister would need to remove the armor, while the marine could keep it. So, it is indeed an advantage for the marine. But usually, on a battlefield, people do not read braille. The aim, pull triggers, run, hide and all that. In which scenario is the second skin stuff going to help?

The difference is that the Sister's armor doesn't boost their natural abilities, they are essentially humans in power armor. That's why they are S3 T3 while the Marines are S4 T4.

 Tyran wrote:
The difference is that the Sister's armor doesn't boost their natural abilities

I have no idea what you mean by abilities. The armor hugely enhance their strength. Just look at them carrying heavy bolters like it is nothing.
It also involves a ton of targeting and visual enhancement stuff in the helmet.
So, what do you mean here?

 Tyran wrote:
That's why they are S3 T3 while the Marines are S4 T4.

The S4 T4 is completely unrelated to the armor, it only comes from the implant. See scouts for that.

You mean outdated 3rd edition fluff that's behind by four editions? Oh right. That fluff. Old gets tossed in favor of the new- especially when it doesn't even make sense that Sister power armor could be the same grade as Astartes or Iinquisitors. Again, it's too thin and form fitting. That's bad.

So you know what the Sororitas armour is made from - you have worked out the specific material's strengths and weaknesses - oh wait no you haven't..... cos you can't, none of us can

Its 40k - lots of stuff doesn;t make sense to us - Leman Russ tanks - seen the recent arguments about its design, chainswords that would work?

ah so now you are changing your argument (yet again) so we should ignore both the fluff and the rules and instead go with whatever you believe is correct in the abscence of anything new - thats an awesome way to look at it - very sensible and not at all stupid..........

Going back to the axctual discussion:

Its pretty clear from all the actual GW (rather than wishlsiting) material that the Sororitas armour does not have all of the strength enchancements, the reaction time is not as good as Astartes due to the lack of the black carapace. The Marine power armour is like a second skin as I understand it - they are able to keep their ultra fast reaction time.

Astartes Marine armour is awesome - not as awesome as the wearers and only a bit more awesome than that worn by the Sororitas.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
The difference is that the Sister's armor doesn't boost their natural abilities

I have no idea what you mean by abilities. The armor hugely enhance their strength. Just look at them carrying heavy bolters like it is nothing.
It also involves a ton of targeting and visual enhancement stuff in the helmet.
So, what do you mean here?

 Tyran wrote:
That's why they are S3 T3 while the Marines are S4 T4.

The S4 T4 is completely unrelated to the armor, it only comes from the implant. See scouts for that.

Yeah I fethed up that second part. I meant that the SoB are humans (S3 T3) while the SM aren't (S4 T4). And that's one of the reasons why SM are superior.

Yeah, but the Sisters have greater willpower and dedication, and possibly finer wargear.

 Tyran wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
The difference is that the Sister's armor doesn't boost their natural abilities

I have no idea what you mean by abilities. The armor hugely enhance their strength. Just look at them carrying heavy bolters like it is nothing.
It also involves a ton of targeting and visual enhancement stuff in the helmet.
So, what do you mean here?

 Tyran wrote:
That's why they are S3 T3 while the Marines are S4 T4.

The S4 T4 is completely unrelated to the armor, it only comes from the implant. See scouts for that.

Yeah I fethed up that second part. I meant that the SoB are humans (S3 T3) while the SM aren't (S4 T4). And that's one of the reasons why SM are superior.

Only in the sense they are faster, stronger, more durable, heal really quickly, Eidetic memory, dont really suffer ageing issues, can spit acid, have redundant organs - apart from that what have the Astartes ever done for us

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Yeah, but the Sisters have greater willpower and dedication, and possibly finer wargear.

Eh... what? Marines dedicate all their lives (which can be quite long) and have the best wargear available. (aside of GK's special stuff)

The only thing the Sisters do better is that they pray harder.

 Tyran wrote:
Marines dedicate all their lives (which can be quite long) and have the best wargear available.

Actually, “best wargear” is certainly very unclear here. An imperial guard carrying a plasma pistol has better wargear than a marine holding a bolt pistol. And I stand by my point : the Sisters have more willpower and more dedication. Marines care for personal power, marines care for their life, and all that. Sisters will put their faith above all that. The end result is that Sisters can reach the Marine's level without any implant. And also that they do not Badad War or Wolf of Fenris against the Imperium.

No Sisters have fallen to Chaos in canon.

Plenty of Marines have.

That speaks to greater willpower and faith.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
Marines dedicate all their lives (which can be quite long) and have the best wargear available.

Actually, “best wargear” is certainly very unclear here. An imperial guard carrying a plasma pistol has better wargear than a marine holding a bolt pistol. And I stand by my point : the Sisters have more willpower and more dedication. Marines care for personal power, marines care for their life, and all that. Sisters will put their faith above all that. The end result is that Sisters can reach the Marine's level without any implant. And also that they do not Badad War or Wolf of Fenris against the Imperium.

No, the end result is that Sisters are far more resistant to chaos corruption. That doesn't means they are at the same level as the Marines.