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 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Ah Talys, i know you like GW a lot (and that is an understatement ) But even you should agree that for people, who are not infatuated with GW,that this is quite steep for a single figure that is not as massive as a Glokin or as big as Nagash.

For 80$ i'll could just get a 54mm knight with some swirly putty and i have my Prime.

If you are willing to pay that OK, but i think a lot of people will not.

Well, keep in mind that he's cheaper than Nagash (one tier lower). My point is just that his pricing is totally within expectations (who really thought he would be cheaper than $80? People were saying he'd be more than Nagash). If someone thinks Liberators, Paladins, Judicators, Cstellants and Celestants are worth buying at the prices those models are, those same people will believe that Prime is worth his price tag (surely, he has more model in him than 2 Castellants, right?)

For the people who think all the Sigmarites are overpriced and/or ugly, and don't feel Ghal Maraz is worth its cover price, I get it. But if we're to be honest, at no price would Prime be attractive anyways to these folks, so what does it matter to GW what these people's opinion of pricing should be? GW made Prime for the people who DO like Sigmarites (at their prices), and as long as those fans are cool with it, the product is priced correctly. Because nobody else is going to buy the model anyways. They see it as swirly putty with a $5 model, while someone else sees an angelic hero airborne with pretty awesome wings and the coolest base.

I'm not trying to convince anyone that this model is aesthetically beautiful, or, if anyone thinks the swirls are stupid, that they aren't. I'm only saying that it's a model that is perfectly aligned with the faction in aesthetic, technically complex as a plastic character model, and priced in line with similar GW Fantasy models. It also has really, really good rules.

I like the artistry, and as you say, a lot of GW stuff (not Chaos, and, actually not most of their Fantasy range). But at the end of the day, let's be done with Sigmar's Summer and gimme 30k, Tau, and other 40k goodies.

"within expectations" = " i expect it to be way too expensive... oh look, his price is in my expectations.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:


And if you do buy it then avail yourself of up to 25% discount online......

Or, if you have an FLGS you enjoy and play in, buy it from them.

RoninXiC wrote:
"within expectations" = " i expect it to be way too expensive... oh look, his price is in my expectations.

Pretty much. The price is within my expectations for GW models, but that doesn't mean it's reasonable.

few more pics :

I honestly don't mind the model, but the swirly bull gak beneath him is just horrible.

I honestly loathe these kinds of "fancy robe" things. All I can think of is when he's NOT flying that he's going to trip over all his nonsense robes. Don't get me wrong - there are PARTS of the model that look great. The wings in particular are very striking. While I'm not a huge fan of how chunky the Sigmarines are - I can see how some would like the aesthetic. (IMHO, GW lost a great opportunity here to make the Sigmarines more truescale... this would have made them look even more otherworldy compared to the stumpy heroic proportions of the rest of the range).

I find it kind of hilarious is that the flying Sigmarines are armed with non-reach hand weapons. To me this is idiotic... You'd think that they'd be armed with spears and pole arms to take advantage of superior mobility and to avoid the necessity of BEING ALMOST AT GROUND LEVEL TO HIT YOUR OPPONENTS. This makes the Sigmarine Storm-boss(tm) even more stupid looking in my opinion, because if he wants to keep his Storm-Robes(tm) dirt free, he can't hit anything with his Storm-Hammer(tm) and Storm-Rod(tm).

I realize that the intent was to have a swirling maelstrom of Cosmic Storm-Dust(tm), but even the sparkly paintwork can't hide the fact that its bulbous Citadel Fine-shape(tm) looks more akin to a giant swirling trail of sludge with some charm bracelet stuff lodged in it. Does he leave a trail of sparkly Storm-Dust behind him when he's not flying?

Another Citadel Fine-Design(tm) from the brilliant minds of Games Workshop Fine-Designers(tm).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I honestly don't mind the model, but the swirly bull gak beneath him is just horrible.

Yup. I get the impression that is there simply to make him look much bigger than he really is so the price can be increased to 'big model' levels.

This was a model that could have strayed from the standard sigmarine look, but didn't. Space Marines do have a bit of the same profile syndrom going on, but terminators, dreads and vehicles do add variety into an army. With these guys even the big bad has the exact same look, I think its lazy design myself. Or cost cutting. Or possibly both. Its a shame really.

Am I the only one to find the whole figure absolutely "fabulous"?

It reminds me of one of those Japanese enka drag queens in their traditional New Year's Eve show, whose costume elevates him on a tower of ribbons and sparkles.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Am I the only one to find the whole figure absolutely "fabulous"?

It reminds me of one of those Japanese enka drag queens in their traditional New Year's Eve show, whose costume elevates him on a tower of ribbons and sparkles.

Rose petal pattern on his cape and sculpt a kimono on over his armor. Do eeeet now!

What are the wings supposed to be anyway? Do they move when he flies or are they some kind of energy thingy like Tyrael from Diablo?

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Am I the only one to find the whole figure absolutely "fabulous"?

It reminds me of one of those Japanese enka drag queens in their traditional New Year's Eve show, whose costume elevates him on a tower of ribbons and sparkles.

Now all I can see is Divine...

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

 Bull0 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
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By the way guys - Yodhrin doesn't like AoS. Just in case you hadn't got that by now.

And this is problem why exactly?

I don't like it either, much for the same reasons; but I'm still curious to see what they're doing to this world I once very much loved if we're gonna go down the "Whatcha doin' in this thread if you don't like AoS!" .

If I came into every thread about Privateer Press and stated that "Well I suppose if you like it you like it, no accounting for taste"--I'd have people accusing me of trolling.

That's what Bull0 is likely referring to. There's a way to express the sentiment of "I don't like it but if you like it that's fine", and making what could be construed as personal attacks is not it.

Yeah, that's basically it. The horse is dead, the cat o'nine tails can safely be stowed away for now. Keeping an eye on what's going on doesn't have to mean gaking on everything incessantly nor doing it in such a condescending, insulting sort of way. It was really quite a light jab though, to say "we get it, you hate it". Could've gone harder, really.

I can't help it if you're so oversensitive that a commonly used phrase which in the context of discussing taste is the equivalent of a shrug comes off to you as "gaking on everything incessantly...in a condescending, insulting sort of way".

And as for "gaking on everything incessantly" - until the mods tell me I've broken the rules, or that only certain opinions on the quality of AoS releases are allowed on this forum, I will continue to discuss and opine on each individual AoS release as often as I see fit and on whatever criteria I choose, not on the basis of whatever frequency or issue you believe is appropriate. If you don't care for my views, ignore them; if you don't even want to read them, use the forum's ignore feature. For the record, if I have "gak" on an AoS release, it's because I dislike it specifically and on its own merits, not because of my total lack of interest in the "rules" of the "game" itself nor because of my disappointment in GW for trashing the Fantasy setting; when GW release an AoS kit I like and see a use for, I will buy it happily, as I did with the Bloodreavers from both the starter set(thank you bitz retailers) and the multipart box.

 Swastakowey wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Swas, you said other companies make plain models (boring models by my standards) because making something like this was stupid. That's pretty ridiculous. GW gets away with a lot of terrible behavior because they are one of the few companies that actually does produce minis that aren't plain, safe and boring, in plastic.

Now, I agree the price is wayyyyy too high for the Celestant Prime, but I'm very happy that GW still makes fun miniatures, even if I won't buy them. Who else is even trying to do that in plastic?

No because something like this isn't going to sell very well was my reasoning. I said that because he seems to think other companies can't. Im not annoyed they make them, im more annoyed at the price and then the people who try pull it off like that price is reasonable. Other than that I agree to an extent with what you say yea.

What reason besides the price makes you think this model wouldn't sell? I believe that is where the disagreement lies.

Other companies don't make boring models though, not at all.

Perry, Victrix, Warlord, and Gripping Beast would like to have a long, monotone word with you.

Well its not on the top of my list or anything like it ( probably will never buy it tbh), but its a decent model and quite fitting to AoS new faction.

As for prices I believe that with AoS the "Army" got replaced by the " Warband" I mean anyone with those 30 or 40 models regiments will split those in 3 or 4 groups and have the bulk of his AoS faction done.
What I'm trying to say here is that armies got downsized so much that the price of models will surely rise.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

migooo wrote:
I'm not impressed I honestly think the swirling mess detracts from the figure.

For a character he seems just as bland as the other Sigmar guys.

I think if he had a different paint job to the studio one, he'd look amazing. I think all too often, the studio scheme can make a model look like gak.

I think it would take something along the lines of marble armour and a significant conversion to save it .

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Swas, you said other companies make plain models (boring models by my standards) because making something like this was stupid. That's pretty ridiculous. GW gets away with a lot of terrible behavior because they are one of the few companies that actually does produce minis that aren't plain, safe and boring, in plastic.

Now, I agree the price is wayyyyy too high for the Celestant Prime, but I'm very happy that GW still makes fun miniatures, even if I won't buy them. Who else is even trying to do that in plastic?

No because something like this isn't going to sell very well was my reasoning. I said that because he seems to think other companies can't. Im not annoyed they make them, im more annoyed at the price and then the people who try pull it off like that price is reasonable. Other than that I agree to an extent with what you say yea.

What reason besides the price makes you think this model wouldn't sell? I believe that is where the disagreement lies.

who
Because of the narrow range of possible sales targets. The venn diagram of people who will buy it is either painters like it (and will likely buy only one) and people who like AoS. play Sigmarines, like the model and can justify the expense (and again, may only buy a single one as a general - I suppose with non-existent army construction rules there is room for the possiblity for more, unless they're unique?)

So we're potentially looking at a veritable set of Russian Dolls of niches within niches, each step of which will narrow the potential pool of purchasers.

Other companies don't make boring models though, not at all.

Perry, Victrix, Warlord, and Gripping Beast would like to have a long, monotone word with you.

Starting to argue aesthetics is the path to madness, but the fact remains that 'monotone' British WW2 infantry have a multitude of applications, and therefore a much wider pool of potential purchasers.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Am I the only one to find the whole figure absolutely "fabulous"?

It reminds me of one of those Japanese enka drag queens in their traditional New Year's Eve show, whose costume elevates him on a tower of ribbons and sparkles.

You are not. However, I do like some fabulous god-warriors in my armies; the fancier the hats, the more likely I am to buy them. Feathers are a plus.

I use Dark Angels and Sanguinary Guard for my space marines. And now I can add some Stormcast Eternals. It's raining supermen. Hallelujah!


Like everything GW does, I think this just goes back to 80's music, where the toughest guys were the ones with eye liner, scarves, spandex and that hair.

 Azreal13 wrote:

Because of the narrow range of possible sales targets. The venn diagram of people who will buy it is either painters like it (and will likely buy only one) and people who like AoS. play Sigmarines, like the model and can justify the expense (and again, may only buy a single one as a general - I suppose with non-existent army construction rules there is room for the possiblity for more, unless they're unique?)

We got the rules for the Celestant-Prime the other day.

He has no Command Ability(which makes him less than ideal as a General), starts the game off of the board, and is limited to one per army.
For all intents and purposes, this guy will be the equivalent of a Greater Daemon for a Stormcast player--or any kind of Order player for that matter, provided people are using the Realm of Fire rules--which make it so that Order or Destruction players can at any point essentially "pray for Sigmar's Deliverance" and roll a number of D6 equal to the turn number. Any 3+ allows the Order/Destruction player to place a Stormcast Eternal unit--but only one Hero or Monster.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

MacMuckles wrote:
Is this Prime going to be the last AoS release for the time being or is there still more? September is approaching fast and rumours said either Tau or Tzeentch, yeah?

At this point, who knows? Though we have got some idea of the near future releases. Air brush paints, a 30K era game (which we've seen sprues for)

Original rumours said AoS would see releases through to October which is when 40k gets a release. Some say its tau but cant say I care either way. After October gw will just do releases as and when. Stormcast and chaos plus whatever repacks are rolling out until them. Someone specified stormcast and khorne will see more releases til middle of September which suggests that the last few weeks of September will see a different force which should be tzeentch but could be something else entirely

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

Because of the narrow range of possible sales targets. The venn diagram of people who will buy it is either painters like it (and will likely buy only one) and people who like AoS. play Sigmarines, like the model and can justify the expense (and again, may only buy a single one as a general - I suppose with non-existent army construction rules there is room for the possiblity for more, unless they're unique?)

We got the rules for the Celestant-Prime the other day.

Spoiler:

He has no Command Ability(which makes him less than ideal as a General), starts the game off of the board, and is limited to one per army.
For all intents and purposes, this guy will be the equivalent of a Greater Daemon for a Stormcast player--or any kind of Order player for that matter, provided people are using the Realm of Fire rules--which make it so that Order or Destruction players can at any point essentially "pray for Sigmar's Deliverance" and roll a number of D6 equal to the turn number. Any 3+ allows the Order/Destruction player to place a Stormcast Eternal unit--but only one Hero or Monster.

You're being too literal, plus you're speaking to someone so disinterested I've not even bothered to read the free rules, so I've no real clue what you're on about.

Would "centre piece" make it clearer what i meant?

Areal, you are arguing against making heroes in general and not this guy in specific. If his price wasn't so ridiculous, he would be a great base for conversions. Companies like Wyrd do alright producing even more niche minis for much smaller customer bases, and while their prices are high, they aren't this high. If the Celestant Prime cost only as much as Izamu the Armor, people would buy multiples just for conversions, parts, color schemes, or whatever. The only part of this mini that's a bad idea is the price...and maybe the blue swirling meatball rain.

I wasn't trying to argue or anything.

I was basically agreeing with what you're saying. The Celestant-Prime isn't going to be a "must have" purchase for a brand new player or anything like that, IMO.

He'll be a purchase that someone gets to eventually.

Well, like I said Az, Celestant Prime is squarely targeted at people who want, like and buy Sigmarites. Within that context, I don't think the price is an issue (if you'll pay $40 for Celestant, you'll certainly pay $80 for Celestant Prime).

If you don't think there's a market that's large enough to support Sigmarites, perhaps you are right, though I suspect that it has a lot of the same draws as space marines (superhuman knights in armor), and will sell better than, say, Empire models within the same period in recent years, or even Brettonians in years past. In absolute numbers, if you're right, and nobody (not absolutely nobody, but such a tiny number that it's insignificant) wants them, eventually, GW will squat them.

If it's like what Bob's saying, and you're arguing against character models -- well, I don't think this is what you're saying, but that position is not supportable by evidence, as most scifi/fantasy wargame companies charge more for their generals, that don't sell a lot of units compared to troops, and people pay for them, whether to have them on a shelf or to field them.

It looks like a cake topper. Happy Birthday.

Anyone notice Nurgle's Deluge pack go up in price? It was basically 2 free packs of nurgling before, now no savings.

 Sammoth wrote:
It looks like a cake topper. Happy Birthday.

hahahaha yeah, that it does If the cometsrike were held vertically, you could light a candle on it

 Talys wrote:

Well, keep in mind that he's cheaper than Nagash (one tier lower). My point is just that his pricing is totally within expectations (who really thought he would be cheaper than $80? People were saying he'd be more than Nagash).

I would have. Unless I'm missing how big he is, I wouldnt have expected him to cost more than something like the Thudertusk or Coven Throne, which are what, like $60? Maybe it's been a while since I looked at the cost of GW's big kits. He's a nice enough model, but I think a lot of that has to do with the really bang up paint job. Those magic swirls will look a lot less amazing with your average paint job.

$80 buys this from Mierce, which is in resin and is, IMO a more detailed sculpt.

 Talys wrote:
Well, like I said Az, Celestant Prime is squarely targeted at people who want, like and buy Sigmarites. Within that context, I don't think the price is an issue (if you'll pay $40 for Celestant, you'll certainly pay $80 for Celestant Prime).

And like Swas says that probably isn't all that many people!

That's not hard to grasp is it?

Is it?

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Talys wrote:
Well, like I said Az, Celestant Prime is squarely targeted at people who want, like and buy Sigmarites. Within that context, I don't think the price is an issue (if you'll pay $40 for Celestant, you'll certainly pay $80 for Celestant Prime).

And like Swas says that probably isn't all that many people!

That's not hard to grasp is it?

Is it?

No, it's not. and I said that in the paragraph that you didn't quote. Either it will draw people who like that kind of thing (hey, space marines sell, right?), or it won't and GW will squat it. I also said, they will probably sell better than Empire did in the last few years.

That's not hard to grasp, is it?

Is it?