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Surprising about revs since they're really the only original faction that Mantic has put together so far. Oh well, my wallet appears safe.

Onwards it goes

The Plague Mortars will be added to the 3rd Gen HIPS sprue 1 mortar with arm options per sprue.

 agnosto wrote:
Surprising about revs since they're really the only original faction that Mantic has put together so far. Oh well, my wallet appears safe.

You have seen Star Wars, the Last Starfighter, Defiance, etc right?
The old saying about original ideas is ever steady.

I personally feel like Asterians are a Tau twist on an Eldar idea, making them likable by me without feeling like I'm playing proxyhammer.


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Also.. a side question..
Are the dog drone's form Pathfinders legs poseable at the middle or just at the connection to the body?
Looking at 4 of them like that they seem super static and boardgamish.

I doubt bits that small and thin will be articulated and I'm glad of it, even if they end up a bit samey. Having said that, it looks like they switched the spot where the legs mount to the body to look more like enforcer shoulder/arms which may mean they've got ball joints which might give some more wiggle room.

Sounds like Mantic is looking for feedback as to whether people wanna see the Asterian flyer next or a GCPS/Plague(/rebs?) vehicle next.

It would be super easy to articulate though. A disc on either side creates an opening for a little ball joint. The door gun mounts on the Valkyrie heavy bolters are done that way and I've seen quite a few others as well. I don't want it to move just some kind of freedom. Is it at least HIPS so it can be trimmed off and reposed like Crisis suit legs? Come to think of it, Wave makes little disks like that. Worst case scenario I can just trim the legs down, add my own disks and articulate at will. Wow that was easy

Yeah, I'm sure that could work, and they're definitely hard plastic.

 MLaw wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
Surprising about revs since they're really the only original faction that Mantic has put together so far. Oh well, my wallet appears safe.

You have seen Star Wars, the Last Starfighter, Defiance, etc right?
The old saying about original ideas is ever steady.

I assume he meant original from a TTG perspective, which is mostly valid.

The only 2-player set will be Operation Heracles right? The wording is a little vague and I haven't been following super closely, there is no intent to introduce a different 2-player set in this KS?

 insaniak wrote:
I have to say, I like the look of the render considerably more than the sketch... The 'face' is more of a suggestion, rather than an actual head stuck on the front of the tank, and that works much better, IMO.
I don't mind the smaller gun, but I do like the big fuel tank on the sketch turret.

While I don't love it, I have to say I prefer the sketch rather than the render. I think I'm better off skipping these entirely until there's a final render or even a prototype.

I'm just pleased to see the campaign moving forward again. Here's hoping the momentum stays after all the Tyrant pledges are taken.

@Vermonter, It should. I mean 2x total war pledge is very similar to Tyrant. I think i'd rather do the 2x TW myself for the books and tank for 45 bucks. If I need 6 battlegroups, still thinking.

I mean, I doubt we necessarily do another 20-30k tomorrow.... but I think we should maybe see a steadier trickle than we have been since they added value to a lot of battlegroups and made getting more stuff easier/cheaper.

@plastictrees I'm like 95% sure there's just the operation heracles and battlegroups, though you could quite readily make your own 2 player game set by getting total war and picking stuff out you wanted to use. Third battlegroup may stick out a little funny but maybe not.

It's getting too complicated.

I'm just going to let my dollar ride and sort it all out in the pledge manager phase.

 GrimDork wrote:
@Vermonter, It should. I mean 2x total war pledge is very similar to Tyrant. I think i'd rather do the 2x TW myself for the books and tank for 45 bucks. If I need 6 battlegroups, still thinking.

Yeah, I see that 2 x total war reasoning appearing a lot right now. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense for me, though, as I don't want the extra books.

Also, I expect by the end that Tyrant will have exclusive items / perks that distinguish it from 2x total war.

I've decided to ride the Tyrant roller coaster for now, since I'm not beholden to anything until it ends, and there was very little chance that I was going to buy into the early bird pledge I had anyway. I tried costing out my ideal "a la carte" pledge, and while its contents weren't identical to Tyrant's, they were pretty close, and the price was about the same. (My needs for Deadzone are basically already met, but I'm looking to buy all the Mantic hard plastic soldiers I'll ever need for conversions and experimentation.) Whether or not I stick with Tyrant depends on what it turns into. In the meantime, it's a fun seat to ride at the fair. If I'm not convinced by the end, a smaller, purely a la carte order makes more sense than any early bird for me, and that option won't expire.

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 MLaw wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
Surprising about revs since they're really the only original faction that Mantic has put together so far. Oh well, my wallet appears safe.

You have seen Star Wars, the Last Starfighter, Defiance, etc right?
The old saying about original ideas is ever steady.

I assume he meant original from a TTG perspective, which is mostly valid.

The only 2-player set will be Operation Heracles right? The wording is a little vague and I haven't been following super closely, there is no intent to introduce a different 2-player set in this KS?

Yes, that is what I meant and I'm glad that you all understood that I was talking about Rebs after spellcorrect on my phone mangled it.

I want a big sprue of gcps infantry. I want renders so as to decide how I proceed with my pledge.

I dislike those Asterian Weapon Drones. They look bloated and top-heavy.

I expect that they are designed to hover rather than sit on their stumpy little legs.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Those are some value packed pledge levels right there.
I do not really understand the difference in levels though:
Total Warfare = 3 x battle groups = $225. Other stuff = $10
Ultimate Tyrant =5 x battle groups = $375. Other stuff (same as total warfare iirc =) $50. So the "free" battle group is $40 free.
Still good savings to be made.

Might be worth pointing that out to them? In the regular comments as well as the update comments. Perhaps they'll correct it in some way

I do wonder why they haven't added the MA terrain to the offers? Unless they're doing a 40k and deciding that smashed bricks have no place in space warfare.

That sort of thing certainly belongs on my table.



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 pretre wrote:
Why would the tyrants be limited?

Because PLEDGE NOW! RIGHT fething NOW!!!


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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
It's getting too complicated.

I'm just going to let my dollar ride and sort it all out in the pledge manager phase.

I did my Zombicide Black Plague this week, so I'm done until a few days after this ends. We'll see if I can make a loan to let my EB ride and look at other options once we get to the PM instead of dropping to a buck.

I'm just in this for the plastic Plague and Asterian kits to use in Deadzone. Not bothered at all by the rest of Warpath.

The Ultimate Tyrant pledges went very quickly this time around, thankfully they made sure to make 150 of the pledge level, rather than 5 like KoW.

It's a pretty great deal, reducing the cost of each battlegroup down to $62.50.

And you can get multiple Ultimate Tyrants in the pledge manager too, if you picked it during the campaign.

Some quick calculations on Operation:Heracles show it has $150 minimum retail value, so that's about a 60% discount.

If vehicles get an RRP of $40, then it's a 50% discount on vehicle battlegroups, with Ultimate Tyrant.

Hopefully they open up some more! Was really popular and resulted in a massive $45k surge in one day.

Upgrading from AW to UT adds $300 to the total, 150 x $300 = $45k.

It's a good way to encourage people to go big during the KS itself rather than the pledge manager... which is good since this time there won't be any pledge manager stretch goals.

 scarletsquig wrote:
If vehicles get an RRP of $40, then it's a 50% discount on vehicle battlegroups, with Ultimate Tyrant.

Hopefully they open up some more! Was really popular and resulted in a massive $45k surge in one day.

Upgrading from AW to UT adds $300 to the total, 150 x $300 = $45k.

It's a good way to encourage people to go big during the KS itself rather than the pledge manager... which is good since this time there won't be any pledge manager stretch goals.

If the vehicles are well produced, I assume $40 per vehicle would be a killer price vs. GW's stuff? I don't really pay attention to their vehicle line / prices. $40 RRP discounted would probably mean that the $30 per vehicle KS price isn't much of a deal at all, though.

I hope they add more, too, for the good of the campaign. If they don't, their having teased the possibility of doing so was pointlessly snarky.

And I think they do need some way of encouraging people to commit money during the actual campaign. I know $1 pledges aren't bad for them, since KS doesn't get a cut of what pledgers add-on in the PMs, but there won't be much to add-on if it never gets funded in the first place. And this thing about not adding stretch goals during the PM seems ridiculous to me. It's hard to imagine them not doing the GCPS at this point, whether or not it gets funded during the campaign, as long as it's close. But maybe it's better to say there won't be PM stretches even if they change their minds later, again, just to encourage people to pledge now.

I'm currently sitting on a Tyrant pledge. It's not worth my while yet, due to my particular needs rather than it's actual value, but it's getting darned close. By the end it could be worth the trouble of selling off / trading away all the redundant things I won't need.

I think that pledge manager expectations are being factored into the campaign itself this time.

With 10 Kickstarters under their belt, Mantic will have a pretty good idea of a typical minimum % extra that will be added via pledge manager for any given campaign.

The latest stretch goals have been funding quite a lot of stuff for only $10k or $20k stretches, so it is likely that those are lowball stretches that don't quite cover the manufacturing cost, but with Mantic factoring in some future pledge manager additions (with their own healthy capital to fall back on).

Doing it that way keeps the campaign more exciting and funds more stuff, which people can then add-on right away.

 scarletsquig wrote:
I think that pledge manager expectations are being factored into the campaign itself this time.

With 10 Kickstarters under their belt, Mantic will have a pretty good idea of a typical minimum % extra that will be added via pledge manager for any given campaign.

The latest stretch goals have been funding quite a lot of stuff for only $10k or $20k stretches, so it is likely that those are lowball stretches that don't quite cover the manufacturing cost, but with Mantic factoring in some future pledge manager additions (with their own healthy capital to fall back on).

Doing it that way keeps the campaign more exciting and funds more stuff, which people can then add-on right away.

It could also cause some rather serious problems down the road, if their formulas and assumptions (!) are a bit off...

 scarletsquig wrote:
I think that pledge manager expectations are being factored into the campaign itself this time.

With 10 Kickstarters under their belt, Mantic will have a pretty good idea of a typical minimum % extra that will be added via pledge manager for any given campaign.

The latest stretch goals have been funding quite a lot of stuff for only $10k or $20k stretches, so it is likely that those are lowball stretches that don't quite cover the manufacturing cost, but with Mantic factoring in some future pledge manager additions (with their own healthy capital to fall back on).

Doing it that way keeps the campaign more exciting and funds more stuff, which people can then add-on right away.

I think you've nailed it, that makes a lot of sense. I knew they were doing some funny juggling with those low stretch goals for hard plastic.

This would be the reason why they can't even consider doing more hard plastic factions (beyond GCPS) until they get beyond $750k.

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Yeah, how about a Deadzone Variety Pack Battlegroup, with maybe 10 of each new HIPS model and the metal upgrade packs.

oh man... might have to jump in if they did this!!!

...with official 100% mispack rate

Hey guys, just curious... is there a way to get only the jetbikes? And do they have a similar size to 40k Eldar Jetbikes?

 Vector Strike wrote:
Hey guys, just curious... is there a way to get only the jetbikes? And do they have a similar size to 40k Eldar Jetbikes?

If you pledge for $1, you can just add another $39 plus shipping in the pledge manager to get the 10 bikes for $40 add on.



That's a 3D print of the Jetbike next to a guy on a 25mm base. Should be easy to guess the length of it - I don't have any new Eldar jetbikes so I don't know how big they are.

Well, I'm both glad and sad that I waffled on the Tyrant pledge. :(

 Azazelx wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Those are some value packed pledge levels right there.
I do not really understand the difference in levels though:
Total Warfare = 3 x battle groups = $225. Other stuff = $10
Ultimate Tyrant =5 x battle groups = $375. Other stuff (same as total warfare iirc =) $50. So the "free" battle group is $40 free.
Still good savings to be made.

Might be worth pointing that out to them? In the regular comments as well as the update comments. Perhaps they'll correct it in some way
.

I assume I have missed something there especially as if you double up on TW you get 2x vehicles and 2x rulebooks etc. A great way to introduce a gaming group/friends too. Will be great to see this smash 300k this weekend.

Can't believe I'm saying this, but those pathfinders actually look like really nice sculpts. Might have to pick those up at retail. When are we expecting the items from this kickstarter to hit retail?

The Pathfinders were actually funded by the Deadzone: Infestation KS. Word seems to be a retail release of the DZ: Infestation miniatures for first quarter 2016, so not too long to wait. As for the other stuff funded by this KS they say a delivery date of September 2016, as for retail maybe some for Xmas 2016 but more than likely 2017.

As for this KS, am I ok to drop a $1 pledge and then upgrade to Total War in the pledge manager? And any firm dates on when the pledge manager will run?