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2015/10/27 04:07:43
Subject: When will other factions get the Tau treatment
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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Now that Tau are on the same level as other rated B and A factions, when will C and D rated factions get the same level of power as factions like Eldar, Tau, Necrons, Marines, etc. I'm curious, I want to start my 2nd army towards the start of next year. So far I'm leaning towards Tau,
anyone want to persuade me to field a different faction? I'm open to all opinions.
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 War Coven of the Coruscating Gaze  ~3000pts
 Thrice-Damned Plague Corps  ~3250pts
 Admech (TBN) ~3500pts +30k Bots and Ulator
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2015/10/27 04:46:50
Subject: When will other factions get the Tau treatment
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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I really wished other armies such as Eldar, Necrons, and Marines get the Chaos Marine treatment. Most Brutal Nerf Bat I have ever seen. Make Scat Bikes 40ppm, Wraith Knigh 390pts, Necrons 20ppm. Cmon that bogus 5+++ fnp and the army wide gause has got to be 6pts. Just make everything cost more.
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2015/10/27 04:56:47
Subject: Re:When will other factions get the Tau treatment
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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Mmmmm....... no. Sorry but necron warriors are not worth 20pts each, the gauss isn't as well as it seems, they only have a 4+ armor save and a 5+ reanimation which fails more than you think it would, they may be durable but they're not 20ppm durable.
plus, i'd rather see everyone get buffed rather than nerfed, i think it would make a better game.
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<Dynasty> ~10500pts
War Coven of the Coruscating Gaze ~3000pts
Thrice-Damned Plague Corps ~3250pts
Admech (TBN) ~3500pts +30k Bots and Ulator
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2015/10/27 05:04:50
Subject: Re:When will other factions get the Tau treatment
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Grey Knight Psionic Stormraven Pilot
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Kharne the Befriender wrote:Mmmmm....... no. Sorry but necron warriors are not worth 20pts each, the gauss isn't as well as it seems, they only have a 4+ armor save and a 5+ reanimation which fails more than you think it would, they may be durable but they're not 20ppm durable.
plus, i'd rather see everyone get buffed rather than nerfed, i think it would make a better game.
See, that was sort of his point. Lower tier armies have units that are overcosted, so do the same thing to the top tier armies. You explaining why he's wrong is making the point he was trying to make.
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2015/10/27 05:10:47
Subject: When will other factions get the Tau treatment
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The Tau will get the Tau treatment and sooner than you think given our new found popularity.
Warzone: Monte'ka I'm betting we'll see unique models/suits/options for FSE in the book.
With Farssight stuff in it as well as the inevitable defeat of one of the largest crusades the Imperium of Man has ever launched at anything let alone the "weak" Tau Empire.
It will be defeated because it was foretold by a Grey Knight/Farsight/Prophecy.
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It remains to be seen who will win the Tau/Admech FW book though.
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2015/10/27 11:19:19
Subject: When will other factions get the Tau treatment
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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As soon as they finish giving every codex marine chapter a broken Decurion detachment.
Also if you think any currently weak faction is gonna be good with a decurion you're wrong.
Those armies are fundamentally underpowered. The decurion is just a blanket buff that doesn't fix any existing weak units (see storm guardians, vespids, etc) it just makes the strong ones stronger. GW isn't balancing to fix the weak units, and the decurion bonuses are "fluffy."
Think about GWs rules "fluff" for orks and CSM for a minute. Remember how often they win/get to have good rules.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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2015/10/27 12:14:02
Subject: When will other factions get the Tau treatment
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Fireknife Shas'el
Lisbon, Portugal
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Tyranids, IG and both Chaos books we'll get updated - if GW doesn't change style, they'll get at least powerful formations.
The others which came before Necrons... won't get anything till 8e, I'm afraid.
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 Unit1126PLL wrote:"FW is unbalanced and going to ruin tournaments."
"Name one where it did that."
"IT JUST DOES OKAY!"
 Shadenuat wrote:Voted Astra Militarum for a chance for them to get nerfed instead of my own army.
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2015/10/27 13:05:29
Subject: When will other factions get the Tau treatment
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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That's reassuring.
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2015/10/27 13:44:11
Subject: When will other factions get the Tau treatment
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Evasive Pleasureseeker
Lost in a blizzard, somewhere near Toronto
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 Vector Strike wrote:Tyranids, IG and both Chaos books we'll get updated - if GW doesn't change style, they'll get at least powerful formations.
The others which came before Necrons... won't get anything till 8e, I'm afraid.
Chaos will get absolutely nothing...
The real reason being that our model line is too old and mostly stuck back in 3rd edition. It would take too much effort and too big a financial risk for GW to properly address just how utterly useless the bulk of our kits are.
The "real" reason though as we all know, is that Chaos players aren't allowed to have any nice toys, because it's more important that Imperial players keep walking all over us with 0 effort so that GW can keep selling 'oodles of Space Marines to Little Timmy! 
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2015/10/27 13:57:40
Subject: When will other factions get the Tau treatment
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I'm holding out hope!
Don't suck, please!
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2015/10/27 14:18:49
Subject: When will other factions get the Tau treatment
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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Every Warhammer fans chants this before a release. 
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2015/10/27 14:24:44
Subject: When will other factions get the Tau treatment
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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All praise Phil Kelly.
May 6's be upon him.
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2015/10/28 05:45:36
Subject: When will other factions get the Tau treatment
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Dakka Veteran
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Well, you could ask for an Age of Sigmar style rule set and then none of your models are bad if you and your opponent agree to fair games of your own design. Just saying. I'm down for that.
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2015/10/28 05:59:34
Subject: When will other factions get the Tau treatment
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Tzeentch Veteran Marine with Psychic Potential
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 Filch wrote:I really wished other armies such as Eldar, Necrons, and Marines get the Chaos Marine treatment. Most Brutal Nerf Bat I have ever seen. Make Scat Bikes 40ppm, Wraith Knigh 390pts, Necrons 20ppm. Cmon that bogus 5+++ fnp and the army wide gause has got to be 6pts. Just make everything cost more.
Wouldn't Wraithknights need to be like 888 pts to have been nerfed as much as CSMs?
Chaos isn't allowed to have nice things. Not since we took over the galaxy back in 2003 during the Eye of Terror campaign and proved Chaos was superior to the smurf fanboys GW caters to. Chaos isn't allowed to win anymore. We reached for the sun and in doing so burned our wings.
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2015/10/28 07:36:21
Subject: When will other factions get the Tau treatment
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Jovial Plaguebearer of Nurgle
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As a lover of all things entropic, chaos are awesome since if you ever lose all you say is my Dex is so weak I could never have a hope of beating that army "soft win" or if you do win the game you can be like jeez didn't think this really weak list would have beaten your power gamer list "hard win".
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2015/10/28 08:24:01
Subject: Re:When will other factions get the Tau treatment
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Pulsating Possessed Space Marine of Slaanesh
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One day, in the distant future, GW might remember that CSM is an army. And on that day, they will give us a half-assed release and three mediocre formations. They will talk about how they've switched to "focusing on game balance", before buffing Necrons again a fortnight later. And we, the CSM players, the battered, worn-down, discarded hive scum of the crumbling GW empire, will look up from amongst the filth and say to each other; "Hey guys, we've got one gimmicky build that kind of works..."
But hey, as long as Xenos is selling kits, right?
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 The Spiky Grot Legion
 The Heavily-Ignored Pedro and Friends
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2015/10/28 08:33:31
Subject: When will other factions get the Tau treatment
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I promise to buy orks again when they are in too 
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2015/10/28 08:36:32
Subject: When will other factions get the Tau treatment
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Kharne the Befriender wrote:Now that Tau are on the same level as other rated B and A factions, when will C and D rated factions get the same level of power as factions like Eldar, Tau, Necrons, Marines, etc. I'm curious, I want to start my 2nd army towards the start of next year. So far I'm leaning towards Tau,
anyone want to persuade me to field a different faction? I'm open to all opinions.
What models do you like/want to buy?
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2015/10/28 08:37:04
Subject: When will other factions get the Tau treatment
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Pulsating Possessed Space Marine of Slaanesh
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True that. Naturally, my second army is Orks and I dislike SM as more than a modelling project. Because apparently good codexes are for other players...
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CSM/Daemon Party
The Spiky Grot Legion
The Heavily-Ignored Pedro and Friends
In the grim darkness of the 41st Millenium, there are no indicators. |
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2015/10/28 09:24:07
Subject: When will other factions get the Tau treatment
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Pulsating Possessed Chaos Marine
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Filch wrote:I really wished other armies such as Eldar, Necrons, and Marines get the Chaos Marine treatment. Most Brutal Nerf Bat I have ever seen. Make Scat Bikes 40ppm, Wraith Knigh 390pts, Necrons 20ppm. Cmon that bogus 5+++ fnp and the army wide gause has got to be 6pts. Just make everything cost more.
This.
I would have actually preferred that Necrons, Mehreens, Eldar and Tau had been brought down to a "middle class" state that actually made the whole bunch of codices somewhat balanced. Instead not only many of their units got buffed but also received free cost, all-profit overpowered formations to top it all.
The arms race keeps going and the codex creep follows suit. Mostly because the players want the shiny new toys and as long as their factions get the shiniest toys they're willing to throw as much money as necessary to GW's feet.
Then some proceed to complain about "pay to win" Forgeworld lol.
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Progress is like a herd of pigs: everybody is interested in the produced benefits, but nobody wants to deal with all the resulting gak.
GW customers deserve every bit of outrageous princing they get. |
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2015/10/28 10:03:49
Subject: When will other factions get the Tau treatment
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Revving Ravenwing Biker
England
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KnuckleWolf wrote:Well, you could ask for an Age of Sigmar style rule set and then none of your models are bad if you and your opponent agree to fair games of your own design. Just saying. I'm down for that.
No you couldn't because that would mean literally NO balance at all and no baseline to even work from, worse than even the darkest parts of 7E.
People really need to stop saying this...
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2015/10/28 10:36:05
Subject: When will other factions get the Tau treatment
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald
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KnuckleWolf wrote:Well, you could ask for an Age of Sigmar style rule set and then none of your models are bad if you and your opponent agree to fair games of your own design. Just saying. I'm down for that.
You don't need to play a game with no rules for both players to be civil and adjust the game to your own accord.
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2015/10/28 10:45:28
Subject: When will other factions get the Tau treatment
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Hellacious Havoc
Kansas, USA
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Filch wrote:I really wished other armies such as Eldar, Necrons, and Marines get the Chaos Marine treatment. Most Brutal Nerf Bat I have ever seen. Make Scat Bikes 40ppm, Wraith Knigh 390pts, Necrons 20ppm. Cmon that bogus 5+++ fnp and the army wide gause has got to be 6pts. Just make everything cost more.
Once again Filch, I find myself agreeing with you here. It would be nice if each codex was designed with some sort of balance in mind, but GW isn't interested in who wins games as long as it sells models. Yet, with every poll I see posted on dakka about what armies are played the most.. CSM is almost always second. If that's any indication of how big the whole playerbase is, a decent CSM release would increase profits for GW significantly. That being said, a crappy release is just gonna push more people away from the game and hurt profits even more. This may be the reason CSM has been getting shafted so hard by codex scheduling. (Cause Eldar and Tau really need to be updated  TWICE before CSM.) Of course, this trail of thinking also assumes GW does market research, or is aware of anything besides the depth of their coin vault that they often go scrooge mcducking in.
Sad thing is, The only thing that would keep me playing is a decent CSM release. Most of my friends have quit the game, so any games I do find tend to be pick up games at the FLGS. Which tend to be pretty one sided. Even in friendly games, I only have a chance if I bring powerhouse staples. Anything fluffy may as well be an automatic loss unless its a scenario game, and people who agree to play scenario's are a dime a dozen. So, If the CSM release is disappointing (Which everyone is already assuming it will be, me included), I think i'm finally just dropping the game for good. In the end, you can always vote with your feet, and if I walk away, The game can't hurt me any more. 
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"Because we couldn't be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We've all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we've all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher's Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls.
The Wolves will always come to the heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn't behave that way. Only a dog does.
That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."
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2015/10/28 14:54:15
Subject: When will other factions get the Tau treatment
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Give my Chaos army mobility. Drop Pods. Dreadclaw Drop pods. Anything!
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2015/10/28 15:12:21
Subject: When will other factions get the Tau treatment
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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With regard to the 7th vs 7.5 books, I have mixed feelings.
On the one hand, the 7.5 books are hideously overpowered compared to the pre-Necron ones.
But, on the other, they also have much better internal balance and seem a lot more fluffy. Certainly an improvement on, say, the DE book - which I could have written myself by ripping several pages out of my 5th edition codex and then scribbling out anything remotely fluffy or interesting with a permanent marker.
I'd like all books to have the power level of the pre-Necron books,but with the internal balance and fluff of the 7.5 ones.
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 Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
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"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
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You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
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2015/10/28 15:45:56
Subject: When will other factions get the Tau treatment
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 Arkaine wrote:
Chaos isn't allowed to have nice things. Not since we took over the galaxy back in 2003 during the Eye of Terror campaign and proved Chaos was superior to the smurf fanboys GW caters to. Chaos isn't allowed to win anymore. We reached for the sun and in doing so burned our wings.
This, i cannot Exalt it more then once, and i wish i could.
Someone else brought the fact that maybe we will have powerfull formations.
How i see it is no matter what if the base units taken in the formation are worthless, the formation, no matter their special rules, will be worthless.
Looks at the Brazen onslaugth and the Raptors, Warp talons and Drake formations..., their special rules for the formation while not, stellar are at most nice or honest, but since the base material sucks, the whole thing sucks.
Its like doing a dish using Gordon Ramsey recipy but you only have rotten ingriedents, do you think the dish will be anything else then Horrid and rotten?
Too many things in CSM needs an overhaul or a complete scrap and start over, but alos what we need is Rules to cover the different playstyles, and thats also part of the problem, with 9 Legions and all the warbands, there is too much to cover, even Marines don't all have their own codex( even if you can play and allign a Force that is in the spirit or theme of a said chapter).
They could have fixed this or at least start to work on that in previous editions, but no instead we got nerf bat on nerf bat since 4th Ed, we got sprinkles of new toys in 6th and 7th then the Meta changed so drastically that we end up once again like the passif dude in a gangbang involving tabasco and gravel and no lub on sight anywhere...
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2015/10/28 16:00:05
Subject: When will other factions get the Tau treatment
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Evasive Pleasureseeker
Lost in a blizzard, somewhere near Toronto
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 Slayer le boucher wrote: Arkaine wrote:
Chaos isn't allowed to have nice things. Not since we took over the galaxy back in 2003 during the Eye of Terror campaign and proved Chaos was superior to the smurf fanboys GW caters to. Chaos isn't allowed to win anymore. We reached for the sun and in doing so burned our wings.
This, i cannot Exalt it more then once, and i wish i could.
Someone else brought the fact that maybe we will have powerfull formations.
How i see it is no matter what if the base units taken in the formation are worthless, the formation, no matter their special rules, will be worthless.
Looks at the Brazen onslaugth and the Raptors, Warp talons and Drake formations..., their special rules for the formation while not, stellar are at most nice or honest, but since the base material sucks, the whole thing sucks.
Its like doing a dish using Gordon Ramsey recipy but you only have rotten ingriedents, do you think the dish will be anything else then Horrid and rotten?
Too many things in CSM needs an overhaul or a complete scrap and start over, but alos what we need is Rules to cover the different playstyles, and thats also part of the problem, with 9 Legions and all the warbands, there is too much to cover, even Marines don't all have their own codex( even if you can play and allign a Force that is in the spirit or theme of a said chapter).
They could have fixed this or at least start to work on that in previous editions, but no instead we got nerf bat on nerf bat since 4th Ed, we got sprinkles of new toys in 6th and 7th then the Meta changed so drastically that we end up once again like the passif dude in a gangbang involving tabasco and gravel and no lub on sight anywhere...
The biggest roadblock to us poor Chaos players finally catching up to everyone else, is our abysmal model line...
Dinobots/Hellturkey aside, we have not had anything more than a very occasional polish of our 3rd edition model line. I'm sorry, but after almost 18 years, we just need a complete overhaul!
While everyone else gets to play 7th edition, Chaos is the only army that's been forced to keep playing 3 editions behind the times.
Formations simply cannot fix the rotten core of our army. When everyone else is toting about scads new age toys from Grav weaponry to easily spammed 3/4 shot S5/6 weaponry, our pathetic Autocannons & Plasma guns have 0 chance of competing.
Add in all the other myriad problems from general overcosting to the 'Mark of Chaos Tax' & total lack of synergies within our army, and it's little wonder that Chaos is perpetually stuck as a smear beneath the heels of our Imperial oppressors. 
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2015/10/28 16:06:00
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Discriminating Deathmark Assassin
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 kronk wrote:I'm holding out hope!
Don't suck, please!
[url=http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/573636-Chaos%2C%20Forgefiend%2C%20Forgefiend.html] [/url]
If Chaos comes out and is awesome, I may feel a little bad about selling off my Chaos army, but probably not. That update is taking way to long.
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2015/10/28 16:10:39
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
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The "showcase" in the Daemonkin book really drives home how much help the Chaos range needs.
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2015/10/28 18:01:45
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Vector Strike wrote:Tyranids, IG and both Chaos books we'll get updated - if GW doesn't change style, they'll get at least powerful formations.
The others which came before Necrons... won't get anything till 8e, I'm afraid.
That sounds awesome, can you send a link to your source?
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