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Genestealers and Tyranids used to be separate, right?

At what point were they linked together?

Ok. Here is my crazy prediction. The game will feature 10 deathwatch marines including 2 space wolves, an ultramarine, a blood Angel, an Iron Hand, a White scar, a Raven guard, a Salamander, an Imperial fist, and a Blood Raven. (They are the characters from the black library deathwatch series and Sad Panda said there would be a Blood Raven)

Yes, Genestealer Cults were seperate. Like Harlequins they had their own army lists.

Ruleswise they got linked in White Dwarf 145, with the first Tyranid army list.

So apparently I'm now a rumor source according to BoLS for saying that the preorders would be on the 27th.

I have no inside information or anything of that nature. If the preorders are next week, Saturday is the 27th.

Don't you dare add me to the tracker, Pretre!

Kan, how many minis are in the box? Do they look good?

 Kanluwen wrote:
So apparently I'm now a rumor source according to BoLS for saying that the preorders would be on the 27th.

I have no inside information or anything of that nature. If the preorders are next week, Saturday is the 27th.

Don't you dare add me to the tracker, Pretre!

Muhahahahaha!

While you're at it inspecting those box contents, what's the release date on that flyer for Sigmar's Quest?

See, this is what happens when I have a calendar handy.

 dan2026 wrote:
Genestealers and Tyranids used to be separate, right?

At what point were they linked together?

Like...2nd Edition I think? Genestealers were Tyranid for a very, very long time

The second edition Codex Tyranids had a second army list in the back, for genestealer cults. It was pretty neat.

Yes, an army that could combine all the heavy firepower of the Imperial Gard (and plenty that the Guard couldn't get any more, like tarantulas and rapiers) with the unholy combat monsters that were 2nd edition genestealers was horrible.

 Kanluwen wrote:
So apparently I'm now a rumor source according to BoLS for saying that the preorders would be on the 27th.

I have no inside information or anything of that nature. If the preorders are next week, Saturday is the 27th.

Don't you dare add me to the tracker, Pretre!

You've been quoted in two posts by them so far, alongside Sad Panda. I had a nice chuckle when I saw that on BOLS, since I've been following this thread pretty closely.

 Starfarer wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
So apparently I'm now a rumor source according to BoLS for saying that the preorders would be on the 27th.

I have no inside information or anything of that nature. If the preorders are next week, Saturday is the 27th.

Don't you dare add me to the tracker, Pretre!

You've been quoted in two posts by them so far, alongside Sad Panda. I had a nice chuckle when I saw that on BOLS, since I've been following this thread pretty closely.

Am I 2 for 2 then?

I'm glad I can piggyback off Sad Panda but man his back must be out from carrying my fat self around...

Kan, you should *totes* type up posts that allow for easy selective editing. Like so:

Just imagine:

Ten Deathwatch, 24 cultists, 8 purestrains and a Magus in the box, along with all the cool board pieces and dice for $99.

Boy, wouldn't that be great if it happened!

 Tyran wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Those nasty genestealers 'impregnate' victims with their DNA rather than just ripping them apart into tiny chunks of twitching flesh to be digested by the hive fleet.....

A bit rapey/sexual if you're being ultra sensitive which GW seems to be becoming with the hiding away of Slanesh and the toning down of the 15 year old boy 'Boobies' aesthetic in the art etc

That's more like a virus than anything sexual.

Yeah, it reminds me of Invasion of the Body Snatchers, actually.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Yes, an army that could combine all the heavy firepower of the Imperial Gard (and plenty that the Guard couldn't get any more, like tarantulas and rapiers) with the unholy combat monsters that were 2nd edition genestealers was horrible.

If by "horrible" you mean "awesome".

Genestealers in a Land Raider.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
So apparently I'm now a rumor source according to BoLS for saying that the preorders would be on the 27th.

I have no inside information or anything of that nature. If the preorders are next week, Saturday is the 27th.

Don't you dare add me to the tracker, Pretre!

You've been quoted in two posts by them so far, alongside Sad Panda. I had a nice chuckle when I saw that on BOLS, since I've been following this thread pretty closely.

Am I 2 for 2 then?

I'm glad I can piggyback off Sad Panda but man his back must be out from carrying my fat self around...

I mean at this point, you totally need to stand by that rumor. You're going to have 100% accuracy and can started being quoted as a "reliable source speaking to BOLS on condition of anonymity."

Ughhh still no pics yet?!

GW is not toning down anything. The Chaos familiars rerelease from January 2016 - INCLUDING the naked woman (link is NSFW)

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Chaos-Familiars-2016

Also lots of Slaanesh art in Curse of the Wulfen. That is a hoax. They are not changing to kids-friendly.

That Familiar is older than most of my models, so I don't think it's them not toning it down. As for curse of the wulfen, I haven't seen that artwork to tell, is it just blood and stuff, or naked dogs?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Mordiggian wrote:
I'd like to think there's a possibility of a GS Cult army. I think GW was short-sighted when they said Tyranids couldn't ally with Imperial Guard, which would have been an easy way to bring the cults back.

Imperial Guard != Genestealer Cults. Genestealer Cults can include PDF, but you're not going to see Guardsmen in their ranks.

It's really better for them to either build a dedicated "Genestealer Cultist" unit or a Codex rather than just do the whole "Ally in X" thing.

Additionally? Nothing is stopping you from allying Guard and Tyranids. They're "Come the Apocalypse" allies, which means that the "One Eye Open" rule is in effect and they cannot deploy within 12" of each other when deploying for battle.

Exactly. Tyranids infect a local populace. Guardsmen could be drafted from such places, I suppose, but I honestly doubt they'd get very far before being found out. Having read Ciaphas Cain: The Greater Good, one thing that was made clear to me was that the Astra Militarum conducts routine gene-testing at the first suspicion of alien infiltration. So, even though they'd be the most likely faction to be infiltrated, they're also not at all likely to be infiltrated.

So yeah, Genestealer Cults would need to be a self-contained army. Its own codex, really. Made entirely of unique models. It would definitely be the only army in the game that'd be Battle Brothers with Tyranids, which would be something.

 Quarterdime wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Mordiggian wrote:
I'd like to think there's a possibility of a GS Cult army. I think GW was short-sighted when they said Tyranids couldn't ally with Imperial Guard, which would have been an easy way to bring the cults back.

Imperial Guard != Genestealer Cults. Genestealer Cults can include PDF, but you're not going to see Guardsmen in their ranks.

It's really better for them to either build a dedicated "Genestealer Cultist" unit or a Codex rather than just do the whole "Ally in X" thing.

Additionally? Nothing is stopping you from allying Guard and Tyranids. They're "Come the Apocalypse" allies, which means that the "One Eye Open" rule is in effect and they cannot deploy within 12" of each other when deploying for battle.

Exactly. Tyranids infect a local populace. Guardsmen could be drafted from such places, I suppose, but I honestly doubt they'd get very far before being found out. Having read Ciaphas Cain: The Greater Good, one thing that was made clear to me was that the Astra Militarum conducts routine gene-testing at the first suspicion of alien infiltration. So, even though they'd be the most likely faction to be infiltrated, they're also not at all likely to be infiltrated.

So yeah, Genestealer Cults would need to be a self-contained army. Its own codex, really. Made entirely of unique models. It would definitely be the only army in the game that'd be Battle Brothers with Tyranids, which would be something.

Some (I would say many) Planetary Defense Forces aren't that different in equipment and organization from the Imperial Guard. Go heavy on conscripts, light on Leman Russes, and avoid things like Commissars and sanctioned psykers and you have the makings of your average PDF force. No need for fluff contortions about drafting infected Guardsmen, "counts-as" is still a thing!

 Ashiraya wrote:
Maybe it's an Eldar genestealer cult. Genestealers are hardly specialised to target humans, no?

No, I know, of course it will be human cultists. But it is a cool idea.

I heard it will be Necron Cultists and hybrids.

 CalgarsPimpHand wrote:
Some (I would say many) Planetary Defense Forces aren't that different in equipment and organization from the Imperial Guard. Go heavy on conscripts, light on Leman Russes, and avoid things like Commissars and sanctioned psykers and you have the makings of your average PDF force. No need for fluff contortions about drafting infected Guardsmen, "counts-as" is still a thing!

The issue with that is that there's no such thing as a structured or codified "PDF". A planet's defensive forces are whatever they can muster from whatever sort of world they are. The Cadian PDF is going to reflect the Cadian military in every way, but so too are those of a primitive world throwing spears and rocks at local wildlife.

Forces from a PDF can be inducted into a Genestealer Cult, hell even Guard units stationed on a world could find members of their ranks subverted/infected by the Cult, but it would be a mistake to think that Genestealer Cult just = Subverted Guardsmen. There are far too many variables to account for.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 CalgarsPimpHand wrote:
Some (I would say many) Planetary Defense Forces aren't that different in equipment and organization from the Imperial Guard. Go heavy on conscripts, light on Leman Russes, and avoid things like Commissars and sanctioned psykers and you have the makings of your average PDF force. No need for fluff contortions about drafting infected Guardsmen, "counts-as" is still a thing!

The issue with that is that there's no such thing as a structured or codified "PDF". A planet's defensive forces are whatever they can muster from whatever sort of world they are. The Cadian PDF is going to reflect the Cadian military in every way, but so too are those of a primitive world throwing spears and rocks at local wildlife.

Forces from a PDF can be inducted into a Genestealer Cult, hell even Guard units stationed on a world could find members of their ranks subverted/infected by the Cult, but it would be a mistake to think that Genestealer Cult just = Subverted Guardsmen. There are far too many variables to account for.

Yeah. Which is why it should be unique models, seeing as how as varied a model range 40k is, we still tend to lack any fitting alternative miniatures given GW's "Heroic Scale". Non-GW models would just look out of place. Unless they were heavily geared or something. To be honest, the sheer amount of hobby gymnastics you'd have to do to make a custom PDF force work is intimidating at best, impossible at worst. Take your conscript spam idea, for example. Alright. So we have an army of T-Shirt/Flashlights. Just, like, 1000 points of T-Shirt/Flashlight guys. Now find models for them. Are you going to use those Cadians? So now they look like Imperial Guard, play like Imperial Guard, but you're just going to pretend they're PDF because you said so? What are we doing this for again? Genestealer Cults?

I used to make up my Brood Brother squads using Necromunda minis. Worked a treat because they were anything but regimented.

If anyone is interested in Genestealer Cultists I just discovered this great little range from a company called Macrocosm (small British company), well worth checking out

http://www.macrocosm.co.uk/product-category/macrocosm/the-malignancy/

Warhams-77 wrote:
GW is not toning down anything. The Chaos familiars rerelease from January 2016 - INCLUDING the naked woman (link is NSFW)

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Chaos-Familiars-2016

Also lots of Slaanesh art in Curse of the Wulfen. That is a hoax. They are not changing to kids-friendly.

To be fair those sculpts are ancient, I would say probably at least 20 years or so? Possibly even older.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Yes, an army that could combine all the heavy firepower of the Imperial Gard (and plenty that the Guard couldn't get any more, like tarantulas and rapiers) with the unholy combat monsters that were 2nd edition genestealers was horrible.

If by "horrible" you mean "awesome".

Genestealers in a Land Raider.

No, I mean "horrible", because I was on the other end of it. No Land Raider, but the conga line of genestealers behind the Rhino was always a nuisance.


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 CalgarsPimpHand wrote:
Some (I would say many) Planetary Defense Forces aren't that different in equipment and organization from the Imperial Guard. Go heavy on conscripts, light on Leman Russes, and avoid things like Commissars and sanctioned psykers and you have the makings of your average PDF force. No need for fluff contortions about drafting infected Guardsmen, "counts-as" is still a thing!

All the Imperial Guard regiments released since the first metal Catachans in the mid 90s have been equipped with their original local uniforms and gear - in effect they'd be entirely suitable to use as PDF troops for their respective worlds. In the case of the Steel Legion, Armageddon is a major manufacturer of chimeras, Leman Russ tanks and others. Their PDF forces are motorised, and I'm sure they have a decent number of tanks as well.

Warhams-77 wrote:
GW is not toning down anything. The Chaos familiars rerelease from January 2016 - INCLUDING the naked woman (link is NSFW)

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Chaos-Familiars-2016

Also lots of Slaanesh art in Curse of the Wulfen. That is a hoax. They are not changing to kids-friendly.

Those familiars are 're releases from the 90s (i believe) you know that right ?

Stop excusing the fact Slaanesh is basically gone from AoS. That female figures are so toned down by GW ( I think the last ones were those archers for high elves? Or the very plain witch elves compared to the metals they replaced )

I can see slaanesh going in a year or two and what will the excuse be then? oh its just a revamp.. yeah its killing parts of the franchise they are scared of bringing controversy to GW

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

Genestealers in a Land Raider.

No, I mean "horrible", because I was on the other end of it. No Land Raider, but the conga line of genestealers behind the Rhino was always a nuisance.

Rhino conga? Land Raiders? Why bother when you had the Gate psychic power to play with in front of your mahooosive mob of purestrain?