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Yes I have been excited for 30k since 2012. It has been done to a significantly higher standard to anything out of the GW past or present. Everything about it draws me in. The fluff, the models, the rules. I honestly couldn't care less if 40k taudarcron etc. crowd isn't into it. 30k isn't about competitive play, it's about having fun. 40k just isn't fun with the codex rat race and pants on head WAAC frothing players it seems to draw. The 30k crowd thus far seems to be much more mature and enjoyable. I'll stick with 30k until the end.

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For me, 30k is a historical re-enactment, we know the ending, we know who dies and who doesnt (for the most part). There is a huge focus on the marines, of course that is just natural, it is the heresy. If it didnt focus on marines then it wouldnt be the heresy where brother vs brother tore apart the galaxy, sure there are other races present but they are in the background, not the focus. People have mentioned in other threads that you can play in the crusade era, well that aint the heresy.

I am a chaos player, i love the setting of chaos 40k, in particular the customisation of warbands, paint jobs and the freedom of the fluff choices. From new renegades to heresy veterans, the those focused on the powers of the warp and those that dont give a fig for it. I have read the rule books and the accompanying fluff, the BL heresy series, anything i can get my hands on really. I love the fluff and the stories but for me there is no customisation in building something unique. Colour schemes are already established, where does my black armoured marines trimmed in brass with a completely silvere right arm fit in? They have lots of chaos symbols on them so loyalist is out of the question, I dont want to abuse the established fluff and make my own legion. We know that in the current heresy setting the two undefined legions do not exist so i wont be using them as my base and rules because that goes against established canon.

So am I excited for 30k, nope I am not. It has a huge focus on re-enacting battles with limited scope for doing stuff your own way with colour schemes and fluff. This does not mean i wont play my chaos marines and daemons vs a 30k list, i play almost anyone, it just means i wont be using a 30k list myself.
   
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Casti wrote:

So am I excited for 30k, nope I am not. It has a huge focus on re-enacting battles with limited scope for doing stuff your own way with colour schemes and fluff. This does not mean i wont play my chaos marines and daemons vs a 30k list, i play almost anyone, it just means i wont be using a 30k list myself.


Well I'm building WE traitor army that has started the path of damnation and dedicating them selfs to Khorne. I don't care if it is or isn't canon for 30k. Many legions have different color shemes indicating them been part of some campaign or other and if you want more chaosy legion, there is always Wordbearers...

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Casti wrote:
For me, 30k is a historical re-enactment, we know the ending, we know who dies and who doesnt (for the most part). There is a huge focus on the marines, of course that is just natural, it is the heresy. If it didnt focus on marines then it wouldnt be the heresy where brother vs brother tore apart the galaxy, sure there are other races present but they are in the background, not the focus. People have mentioned in other threads that you can play in the crusade era, well that aint the heresy.

I am a chaos player, i love the setting of chaos 40k, in particular the customisation of warbands, paint jobs and the freedom of the fluff choices. From new renegades to heresy veterans, the those focused on the powers of the warp and those that dont give a fig for it. I have read the rule books and the accompanying fluff, the BL heresy series, anything i can get my hands on really. I love the fluff and the stories but for me there is no customisation in building something unique. Colour schemes are already established, where does my black armoured marines trimmed in brass with a completely silvere right arm fit in? They have lots of chaos symbols on them so loyalist is out of the question, I dont want to abuse the established fluff and make my own legion. We know that in the current heresy setting the two undefined legions do not exist so i wont be using them as my base and rules because that goes against established canon.

So am I excited for 30k, nope I am not. It has a huge focus on re-enacting battles with limited scope for doing stuff your own way with colour schemes and fluff. This does not mean i wont play my chaos marines and daemons vs a 30k list, i play almost anyone, it just means i wont be using a 30k list myself.

Not every chapter of every legion painted themselves the same, and entire Legions changed their official paint scheme during the crusade as well - see the XVII Legion going from their all silver Imperial Heralds days to repainting themselves in the Dried-blood Red with Black Shoulders after one of their Chapters colour schemes, who became the first to venture into the Eye of Terror and discover the Primordial Truth. The Word Bearers are a prime example of it.

And the Forgeworld books make explicit mention that the Horus Heresy wasn't exactly a clear-cut time of 9 Loyalist vs 9 Traitor legions. It was a time of chaos, with divided loyalties and betrayal rampant all throughout the Imperium. There were companies and even chapters all throughout the Legions that didn't follow their brothers in supporting the Emperor or siding with Horus. Want to play Space Wolves that turned Traitor? Do it. World Eaters that stayed Loyal? Forgeworld says yes. I believe the next Horus Heresy book is even going to have specific rules to represent this.
   
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 GoonBandito wrote:
I believe the next Horus Heresy book is even going to have specific rules to represent this.


'That what rumour servitors are saying.

Aren't there at sewral special characters that can only be played in army opposing their legions loyalty? I think there is one for World Eaters, example. First book seems to have 4 loyalist characters of traitor legions.
   
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I use archmagos draykavac, he has to be your warlord and if you ally, it has to be a traitor legion. Hopefully they come up with a way to play any legion as traitors so I'm not restricted to certain chapters.
   
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If I start 30k Knights, then it will be that neutral pirate house, because I love their fluff and paint scheme.

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 TheCustomLime wrote:
Nice job moving those goal posts. First it was that 30k is just SM vs SM. Now it's that 30k is almost all about SM vs SM.

So it is just very very very boring ! This changes everything!

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 TheCustomLime wrote:
Nice job moving those goal posts. First it was that 30k is just SM vs SM. Now it's that 30k is almost all about SM vs SM.

So it is just very very very boring ! This changes everything!


You know, if you really really really don't like balls, maybe you should look into playing something else than football instead of telling the players that there is too much ball involved!

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Why are you posting in this section if you don't like 30k?

I don't spam Warmachine forums or other forums for games I don't play. "LOL! You're all losers that like steam punk and sorcery!"

Some people just don't like other people to have fun that is different from their idea of fun.

Those people are sad and should spend more time with girls so they aren't angry/bitter all of the time.

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Holy Terra.

By 30k, do you mean BaC?

The marines are not mono pose. They are awesome.



The OP Needs a lesson on 30k. noob

   
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El Torro wrote:
Space Marines have always been one of the least interesting factions for me in 40K. So a game that focusses on them even more really doesn't appeal.

We can't really blame GW for doing this though, they're just doing what sells (and ultimately giving consumers what they want).


I will have to agree with you on this one. While I do enjoy some Space Marine fiction, they aren't an interesting army to me on the tabletop.
   
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What a shame, I'm very excited about getting into HH and so are the 4 other people who just started collecting with me.

The legion specific units, tactics, special rules and Rites of War do enough to differentiate the legions for me and keeps everything interesting.

Oh well, each to their own I guess...

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Regarding the boredom, I'm just tired of Space Marines and Power Armour. The new Calth set looks nice and all.
I just don't want any Space Marines any more. I plan to sell my Space Wolves soon but that's unrelated to the new Space Wolve 13Co leaked pictures. I have several armies I'm just sick of looking at. I had thought to wait for the Dark Angels Legion to get rules and then start but with them being so (seemingly) late in the series I don't think I will. My Orks can scrap with 30K legions just fine. Don't need another beaky collection to do that.
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The only reason BaC marines may seem monopose is because whoever in the studio assembled them for official pictures had like no imagination whatsoever. They are fully possible but, unfortunately, not to the same extent as the 40k marine kit.

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Man, if only there were five or six other armies that weren't power armour you all could play in the Heresy.

It'd be cool if they had Ordo Reductor, Taghmata Omnissiah, Legio Cybernetica, Questoris Knights, Adeptus Titanicus, Solar Auxilia, Chaos Cult and Imperial Army armies. All of these are such missed opportunities for Forge World to really emphasize the non-marine aspects of the heresy. Also, Daemons.

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 TheCustomLime wrote:
Nice job moving those goal posts. First it was that 30k is just SM vs SM. Now it's that 30k is almost all about SM vs SM.

So it is just very very very boring ! This changes everything!


What did you expect the Horus Heresy to be about? The minor Orks fighting off the minor Xeno empire far away from where all the huge battles are taking place?

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 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Man, if only there were five or six other armies that weren't power armour you all could play in the Heresy.

It'd be cool if they had Ordo Reductor, Taghmata Omnissiah, Legio Cybernetica, Questoris Knights, Adeptus Titanicus, Solar Auxilia, Chaos Cult and Imperial Army armies. All of these are such missed opportunities for Forge World to really emphasize the non-marine aspects of the heresy.


No Dæmons then?

Also, I am quietly hoping to see the liberation of Stygies VIII to appear and to feature some unusual allies.
   
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 Ashiraya wrote:
You know, if you really really really don't like balls, maybe you should look into playing something else than football instead of telling the players that there is too much ball involved!

 kronk wrote:
Why are you posting in this section if you don't like 30k?

Have you looked at the title of the thread? I am answering OP's question. No, OP is not the only one that is not excited about Warhammer 30k, I am not either.
 TheCustomLime wrote:
What did you expect the Horus Heresy to be about?

Boring stuff involving too many space marines. I was not surprised, and it was exactly just that.

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I think the main issue for me is with 30k has been mentioned several times. There is very little variety in what you can take.

You can have...
1. Humans in Power Armour
2. Humans not in Power Armour
3. Bad Humans in Power Armour
4. Bad Humans not in Power Armour
5. Small Robots made by Humans
6. Large Robots piloted by Humans

Am I missing anything?

My three main armies are Tyranids, Tau Empire and Necrons. Given the fluff, none of these will ever be featured in 30k.

Full disclosure... I used to work at Games Workshop. When I worked there, they had rules about what sort of events could be run. The main rule is that it had to include every potential player. You weren't allowed to run an event where every player had to bring Space Marines. From a 40k perspective, 30k feels like an exclusive event where only the Space Marines players are allowed to play. If you're a Xenos fan, you're out of luck. You either stay home, or buy some Space Marines.

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zedmeister wrote:
 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Man, if only there were five or six other armies that weren't power armour you all could play in the Heresy.

It'd be cool if they had Ordo Reductor, Taghmata Omnissiah, Legio Cybernetica, Questoris Knights, Adeptus Titanicus, Solar Auxilia, Chaos Cult and Imperial Army armies. All of these are such missed opportunities for Forge World to really emphasize the non-marine aspects of the heresy.


No Dæmons then?

Also, I am quietly hoping to see the liberation of Stygies VIII to appear and to feature some unusual allies.


I fixed it.

Kriswall wrote:I think the main issue for me is with 30k has been mentioned several times. There is very little variety in what you can take.

You can have...
1. Humans in Power Armour
2. Humans not in Power Armour
3. Bad Humans in Power Armour
4. Bad Humans not in Power Armour
5. Small Robots made by Humans
6. Large Robots piloted by Humans

Am I missing anything?

My three main armies are Tyranids, Tau Empire and Necrons. Given the fluff, none of these will ever be featured in 30k.

Full disclosure... I used to work at Games Workshop. When I worked there, they had rules about what sort of events could be run. The main rule is that it had to include every potential player. You weren't allowed to run an event where every player had to bring Space Marines. From a 40k perspective, 30k feels like an exclusive event where only the Space Marines players are allowed to play. If you're a Xenos fan, you're out of luck. You either stay home, or buy some Space Marines.


1) As mentioned, you're missing Daemons.

2) I've played tons of xenos armies with my 30k army, and even written narratives about it. The Tau were a noncompliant, high-tech human empire that my Mechanicum were sent to steal tech from during the Great Crusade, the Necrons were a machine-intelligence controlled remnant from the Dark Age of Technology like the Faze V controller, and the Tyranids were indigenous life-forms on an unexplored but habitable world that resisted colonization.
   
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What does HH offer people who don't really care about the fluff and don't like Space Marines (or even the Imperium in general)?
   
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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
What does HH offer people who don't really care about the fluff and don't like Space Marines (or even the Imperium in general)?


Comprehensive and balanced army-building and list restrictions, well designed scenarios, and kickass models?
   
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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Ashiraya wrote:
You know, if you really really really don't like balls, maybe you should look into playing something else than football instead of telling the players that there is too much ball involved!

 kronk wrote:
Why are you posting in this section if you don't like 30k?

Have you looked at the title of the thread? I am answering OP's question. No, OP is not the only one that is not excited about Warhammer 30k, I am not either.


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 kronk wrote:
Why are you posting in this section if you don't like 30k?

I don't spam Warmachine forums or other forums for games I don't play. "LOL! You're all losers that like steam punk and sorcery!"

Some people just don't like other people to have fun that is different from their idea of fun.

Those people are sad and should spend more time with girls so they aren't angry/bitter all of the time.



I've always thought that they must be either sad or lonely. Potentially some of both.

Either you're lonely and have so much free time in your life that you can spend some of it typing about how uninterested you are in something, or you're a sad individual who gets off peeing on other people's fun.

Neither is any way to live.

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 Unit1126PLL wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
What does HH offer people who don't really care about the fluff and don't like Space Marines (or even the Imperium in general)?


Comprehensive and balanced army-building and list restrictions, well designed scenarios, and kickass models?


Why would you even play a game called the 'Horus Heresy' and ask for things that are not the Horus Heresy?

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 Unit1126PLL wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
What does HH offer people who don't really care about the fluff and don't like Space Marines (or even the Imperium in general)?


Comprehensive and balanced army-building and list restrictions, well designed scenarios, and kickass models?
What sort of restrictions are we talking?

And "kickass models" seems to only really apply to Space Marines and a couple of Imperial sub-factions.

It would be interesting to see a poll of what people are interested in or like (like 40k dislike 30k, like 40k like 30k, dislike 40k like 30k, indifferent to 40k, like 30k, etc etc).

It seems there's a lot of noise of people loving HH, but I don't know how much of that is just the same people saying the same thing over and over
   
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 Ashiraya wrote:
 Unit1126PLL wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
What does HH offer people who don't really care about the fluff and don't like Space Marines (or even the Imperium in general)?


Comprehensive and balanced army-building and list restrictions, well designed scenarios, and kickass models?


Why would you even play a game called the 'Horus Heresy' and ask for things that are not the Horus Heresy?


I dunno. I see a lot of people playing 40k and asking for balanced rules, though, which seems to suffer from the same problem.


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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 Unit1126PLL wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
What does HH offer people who don't really care about the fluff and don't like Space Marines (or even the Imperium in general)?


Comprehensive and balanced army-building and list restrictions, well designed scenarios, and kickass models?
What sort of restrictions are we talking?

And "kickass models" seems to only really apply to Space Marines and a couple of Imperial sub-factions.

It would be interesting to see a poll of what people are interested in or like (like 40k dislike 30k, like 40k like 30k, dislike 40k like 30k, indifferent to 40k, like 30k, etc etc).

It seems there's a lot of noise of people loving HH, but I don't know how much of that is just the same people saying the same thing over and over


As far as restrictions go, they include but are not limited to:

1) You must choose between one of several detachments. Each detachment clearly outlines what it includes, and what the primary and secondary detachments may be. You can't just bring 4 of the same detachment or whatever like in 40k. There are also no formations.

2) Only troops are scoring, other units may only contest, as 5th and 6th editions.

3) No Lords of War below 2k points and each choice may not cost more than 25% of your army.

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