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One does wonder why they didn't sculpt chest and thigh armor, throw on backpacks, and make a bunch of money selling them as Sisters of Battle.
I definitely would have bought them.
"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should."
AegisGrimm wrote: One does wonder why they didn't sculpt chest and thigh armor, throw on backpacks, and make a bunch of money selling them as Sisters of Battle.
I definitely would have bought them.
Obviously they didn't want to step on GW's toes or infringe upon anyones IP
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None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13
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Because that's not the market they're going after? I'd be curious to know what their retail sales numbers are and who's buying them though.
Obviously that's their strange choice, but they want us to believe that the market for not-Sisters of Battle that are 100% cheesecake is larger than the market that would buy cool-looking fully-armored ones? Pfft.
One of the main lines for Onslaught Games is their 6mm not-Sisters of Battle, just with additional terminator armored troops so they can easily be fielded mechanically as Space Marine forces. 28mm versions of that would be so cool.
Plus I actually really like the Prodos armor, with the added filigree like Scibor uses.
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"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should."
I'm not sure I'm buying your assumption of a large volume of SoB players gnashing at the bit for models that havent already blown their budget on TGG2 models.
Skinnereal wrote: Is it not easier to sculpt over a lack of armour than carve out to get at the flesh?
They may want to look at offering optional armour panels to stick on the standard models (or just offer both types). Making the panels cost-free would certainly make a lot of people's day.
This is what I imagined as the best solution, too. Having attachable armor pieces would appeal to a broader audience, maybe. It would make for neat customization, too. Though I'm sure most of the people that are upset already aren't going to be wooed back.
I'm not sure I'm buying your assumption of a large volume of SoB players gnashing at the bit for models that havent already blown their budget on TGG2 models.
Maybe it's the optimist in me that wants desperately to believe that while it's not a large volume, it could still be bigger than the ones buying these "because of the artistically presented boobies", lol.
I actually think the core of a lot of these models is actually really good looking. Whoever did the armor has some real skill with that.
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"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should."
Skinnereal wrote: Is it not easier to sculpt over a lack of armour than carve out to get at the flesh?
They may want to look at offering optional armour panels to stick on the standard models (or just offer both types). Making the panels cost-free would certainly make a lot of people's day.
This is what I imagined as the best solution, too. Having attachable armor pieces would appeal to a broader audience, maybe. It would make for neat customization, too. Though I'm sure most of the people that are upset already aren't going to be wooed back.
Easier still to not bother with these models.
Which is my personal intention - Prodos has now removed themselves from the list of companies that i would wish to do business with.
And it is not prudishness - I have a fair number of Raging Heroes models to bear (bare?) witness.
The Auld Grump
Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
skarsol wrote: Because that's not the market they're going after? I'd be curious to know what their retail sales numbers are and who's buying them though.
These aren't up for retail yet- they're just on preorder.
skarsol wrote: I'm not sure I'm buying your assumption of a large volume of SoB players gnashing at the bit for models that havent already blown their budget on TGG2 models.
skarsol wrote: Because that's not the market they're going after? I'd be curious to know what their retail sales numbers are and who's buying them though.
These aren't up for retail yet- they're just on preorder.
He stated they've gotten good numbers from their retail partners/distributors already.
skarsol wrote: Because that's not the market they're going after? I'd be curious to know what their retail sales numbers are and who's buying them though.
These aren't up for retail yet- they're just on preorder.
He stated they've gotten good numbers from their retail partners/distributors already.
Sales are better than WZR(preorders), while retail appears to be interested in the 16+ line.
Spoiler:
Warzone Resurrection wrote:Afternoon all, 5 pages already, wow that was quick.
So yes, we have taken a different approach for this product line, I understand that it may not be everybody cup of tea.
I wont really try to defend it as I don't want to get into any arguments about it. so to put it simply, the game is PG16, the models we have designed are not for every customer ( we know that). As for sales, sadly, SC models are selling better than one of the best WZR release we had have in last 2 years.
Why this approach, well there is lack of this kind of miniatures on the market and we wanted to fill the gap.
Warzone Resurrection wrote:
Hi there, product will be released, also now... there probably will be a PG13 version due 60+ emails I gone through this morning with a request to make this game more accessible for kids.
Surprisingly, retail is more interested in 18+ version.
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Hi there, yes, we have been working hard in last 3 years to build and grow an audience for WZR, but surprisingly (and sadly as it's pointing out that MAYBE just maybe our design direction with WZR was wrong) we are selling more.
To answer next question : No we won't change direction of design for WZR, regardless of how good SC will sell.
Source is our web-store and retails newsletter orders...
Hi there, yes, we have been working hard in last 3 years to build and grow an audience for WZR, but surprisingly (and sadly as it's pointing out that MAYBE just maybe our design direction with WZR was wrong) we are selling more.
To answer next question : No we won't change direction of design for WZR, regardless of how good SC will sell.
Source is our web-store and retails newsletter orders...
"Retail Newsletter Orders": is that retail orders, customer orders through a shop, or something else?
Well, I can say that this pushed me into making an order for Dream Forge figures... females in full armor - whoda thunk it?!
The Auld Grump
Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
Hi there, yes, we have been working hard in last 3 years to build and grow an audience for WZR, but surprisingly (and sadly as it's pointing out that MAYBE just maybe our design direction with WZR was wrong) we are selling more.
To answer next question : No we won't change direction of design for WZR, regardless of how good SC will sell.
Source is our web-store and retails newsletter orders...
I guess it depends on whatever "retails newsletter orders" means.
Lockark wrote: It's to bad WZR isn't doing well, I bought a ton of models in the kick starter but no one has realy touched the game. I only had one friend consider getting into it, but decided not to after watching the Beasts of War review of it. He felt the vheclies were to fragile were his words.
Hi there, thanks for your comment, as mentioned above, Warzone is doing well and it's growing, however we got two releases at the same day SC and WZR and SC is far better seller than WZR :(
Not to pile on, but it's probably best not to talk about sales figures when your shop uses live stocking. Your box set seems to have sold a mighty 5 boxes, so if it's selling "far better" than WRZ, and you think Warzone is doing well then you are far more easily pleased than I am
Bad form to quote yourself but it's kind of amusing that live stocking has disappeared from your website this morning. I'm sure that's just a coincidence
TheAuldGrump wrote: Well, I can say that this pushed me into making an order for Dream Forge figures... females in full armor - whoda thunk it?!
The Auld Grump
Are they back in stock?
No, and I just discovered that The War Store seems to think that they have been 'discontinued' instead of just out of stock - so they did not accept my back order. (For the record, they are out of stock, not discontinued - but I think that The War Store is going by Wargames Factory, not Dream Forge.)
The Auld Grump, grumble, grumble, gripe, gripe, gripe....
Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
Right aim, GREAT concept, awesome adeia... And a execution who would have made GW proud (and this is not a cumpliment).
Serious Prodos?
Would that be so hard to make womans in practical armor?
IF we assume the "armours" are actually just a set of servo arms/legs, and those girls are actually some sort of "amazons in space", who love the female body and dont like to cover it (for sacred reasons, maybe), why botter to cover their nipples and groins?
If my post show some BAD spelling issues, please forgive-me, english is not my natural language, and i never received formal education on it...
My take on Demiurgs (enjoy the reading):
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/537654.page Please, if you think im wrong, correct me (i will try to take it constructively).
Because there is a difference PG-13 vs Rated R in not only the movies but in how games are marketed, bought and sold (varies depending on country/state laws). It is why Kingdom Death, other than the high price point, tends to be behind the counter or only having the name shown on the shelf.
Because there is a difference PG-13 vs Rated R in not only the movies but in how games are marketed, bought and sold (varies depending on country/state laws). It is why Kingdom Death, other than the high price point, tends to be behind the counter or only having the name shown on the shelf.
Got it, i was kinda of making a joke...
BUT actually, putting the "moralism" aside: those girls are not wearing armor, just servo-arms/legs (in the case of the big armors, at least), with buit in "personal shield generators" at the back pack, which make the whole ideia of "cover myself in bulky sheets of plate" a nonsense. The lack of clothes is just a preference of the warriors themselves. Maybe with cultural roots? As someone pointed out, that smooth skin may be just a tight cloth (you know, real womans rarelly have skin so perfect).
If my post show some BAD spelling issues, please forgive-me, english is not my natural language, and i never received formal education on it...
My take on Demiurgs (enjoy the reading):
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/537654.page Please, if you think im wrong, correct me (i will try to take it constructively).
Wow i never would have thought that the SJW's would have reached dakkadakka in droves. I never seen this outrage on Brother Vinnie's, Raging heroes stuff or Hasslefree miniatures.
Now i will certainly have to get them just to see SJW's foaming at the gaming table.
I wonder those that are the biggest opponents are the ones that throw money at the pole dancers?
Hi there, yes, we have been working hard in last 3 years to build and grow an audience for WZR, but surprisingly (and sadly as it's pointing out that MAYBE just maybe our design direction with WZR was wrong) we are selling more.
To answer next question : No we won't change direction of design for WZR, regardless of how good SC will sell.
Source is our web-store and retails newsletter orders...
I guess it depends on whatever "retails newsletter orders" means.
Lockark wrote: It's to bad WZR isn't doing well, I bought a ton of models in the kick starter but no one has realy touched the game. I only had one friend consider getting into it, but decided not to after watching the Beasts of War review of it. He felt the vheclies were to fragile were his words.
Hi there, thanks for your comment, as mentioned above, Warzone is doing well and it's growing, however we got two releases at the same day SC and WZR and SC is far better seller than WZR :(
Not to pile on, but it's probably best not to talk about sales figures when your shop uses live stocking. Your box set seems to have sold a mighty 5 boxes, so if it's selling "far better" than WRZ, and you think Warzone is doing well then you are far more easily pleased than I am
Bad form to quote yourself but it's kind of amusing that live stocking has disappeared from your website this morning. I'm sure that's just a coincidence
I think it means 'If we pretend it's selling well, we may get other people to pile on the imaginary bandwagon'
When you remove a function of your own webshop just to avoid contradicting your own story then I think it's a little past 'pinch of salt' time.
Jehan-reznor wrote: Wow i never would have thought that the SJW's would have reached dakkadakka in droves. I never seen this outrage on Brother Vinnie's, Raging heroes stuff or Hasslefree miniatures.
I don't think you were paying attention, then, because Vinnie's more 'exploitative' stuff has certainly copped its fair share of flak, and Raging Heroes likewise took a lot of criticism over the exagerated proportions of their females. Hasslfree tends to get a pass from most people as Kev's stuff tends to stick to more realistic proportions.
Now i will certainly have to get them just to see SJW's foaming at the gaming table.
Because going out of your way to deliberately annoy people is clearly the best way for everyone to enjoy their hobby time, no?
Alternatively, you could try actually reading the thread, at which point you might notice that most of the complaints about these minis have nothing whatsoever to do with 'social justice' ...
Jehan-reznor wrote: Wow i never would have thought that the SJW's would have reached dakkadakka in droves. I never seen this outrage on Brother Vinnie's, Raging heroes stuff or Hasslefree miniatures.
I don't think you were paying attention, then, because Vinnie's more 'exploitative' stuff has certainly copped its fair share of flak, and Raging Heroes likewise took a lot of criticism over the exagerated proportions of their females. Hasslfree tends to get a pass from most people as Kev's stuff tends to stick to more realistic proportions.
Now i will certainly have to get them just to see SJW's foaming at the gaming table.
Because going out of your way to deliberately annoy people is clearly the best way for everyone to enjoy their hobby time, no?
Alternatively, you could try actually reading the thread, at which point you might notice that most of the complaints about these minis have nothing whatsoever to do with 'social justice' ...
Don't they? a few years back people would say, too campy for me, but now we already have already 10 pages of people who gak over it, the sculpts aren't worse than other kick starters i have seen, i am just saying that people are over reacting, like you are over reacting to my post, if people are head over heals in this thread what will happen if i would field them?
And yes IMHOPC and SJW's have changed the landscape, everyone is so quickly offended these days, or maybe i am just an insensitive prick.
But i have seen the strange reactions to my Hello Kitty army and there were no boobs there, so i have to change my army or make disclaimers to not offend other people?
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