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I'd expect you'll still have the option of using a generic Aleguzzler Gargant.

 EnTyme wrote:
It'll be interesting to see if Nurgle and Slaanesh get their own Monster of Chaos when their armies get updated. I could see a Jabberslythe of Nurgle or a Chimera of Slaanesh being thematic.

Assuming a new Great Unclean One, Nurgle already has it's own 'Monster' in the Glottkin.

 Ghaz wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
It'll be interesting to see if Nurgle and Slaanesh get their own Monster of Chaos when their armies get updated. I could see a Jabberslythe of Nurgle or a Chimera of Slaanesh being thematic.

Assuming a new Great Unclean One, Nurgle already has it's own 'Monster' in the Glottkin.

That's not a Monster of Chaos, it's a Rottbringer, and a hero. It seems to me that GW is starting to backtrack on splitting the WHFB factions into a thousand subfactions. In the last few months, Tzeentch, Stormcasts, and Khorne have each been combined from 2 subfactions into one. I'm expecting to see this continue. Something about this latest development makes me think the Monsters of Chaos subfaction is getting combined with some of the others. My prediction is that the Brayherds and Warherds will eventually be combined back into Beastmen and take Centigors and Razorgors, and Chaos Warhounds will be moved to Slaves to Darkness. The only monsters from that faction I haven't figured out yet are the Cockatrice and Harpies.

 EnTyme wrote:
I'd expect you'll still have the option of using a generic Aleguzzler Gargant.

Pete Foley just said on Twitter that they are working on something. A seperate ironjawz gargant warscroll would be good.

 EnTyme wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
It'll be interesting to see if Nurgle and Slaanesh get their own Monster of Chaos when their armies get updated. I could see a Jabberslythe of Nurgle or a Chimera of Slaanesh being thematic.

Assuming a new Great Unclean One, Nurgle already has it's own 'Monster' in the Glottkin.

That's not a Monster of Chaos, it's a Rottbringer, and a hero. It seems to me that GW is starting to backtrack on splitting the WHFB factions into a thousand subfactions. In the last few months, Tzeentch, Stormcasts, and Khorne have each been combined from 2 subfactions into one. I'm expecting to see this continue. Something about this latest development makes me think the Monsters of Chaos subfaction is getting combined with some of the others. My prediction is that the Brayherds and Warherds will eventually be combined back into Beastmen and take Centigors and Razorgors, and Chaos Warhounds will be moved to Slaves to Darkness. The only monsters from that faction I haven't figured out yet are the Cockatrice and Harpies.

You're overthinking it. All that matters is that its a big 'monster' that's not a Greater Daemon. The Glottkin fits that bill for Nurgle, just like the Slaughterbrute and the Mutalith Vortex Beast do for Khorne and Tzeentch.

 Ghaz wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
It'll be interesting to see if Nurgle and Slaanesh get their own Monster of Chaos when their armies get updated. I could see a Jabberslythe of Nurgle or a Chimera of Slaanesh being thematic.

Assuming a new Great Unclean One, Nurgle already has it's own 'Monster' in the Glottkin.

That's not a Monster of Chaos, it's a Rottbringer, and a hero. It seems to me that GW is starting to backtrack on splitting the WHFB factions into a thousand subfactions. In the last few months, Tzeentch, Stormcasts, and Khorne have each been combined from 2 subfactions into one. I'm expecting to see this continue. Something about this latest development makes me think the Monsters of Chaos subfaction is getting combined with some of the others. My prediction is that the Brayherds and Warherds will eventually be combined back into Beastmen and take Centigors and Razorgors, and Chaos Warhounds will be moved to Slaves to Darkness. The only monsters from that faction I haven't figured out yet are the Cockatrice and Harpies.

You're overthinking it. All that matters is that its a big 'monster' that's not a Greater Daemon. The Glottkin fits that bill for Nurgle, just like the Slaughterbrute and the Mutalith Vortex Beast do for Khorne and Tzeentch.

I understand what you're saying, Ghaz. It's a Nurgle Monster . It is also a Hero and takes up a leader slot. The Slaughterbrute and Mutalith do not. The Glottkin is a cool model and an excellent addition to a Nurgle list, but it doesn't fill the same niche.

Again, it doesn't have to fill the same niche. Not all Chaos armies have to be the same.

The Glotkin is a unique one off unit. Nurgle needs a reoccurring monster that isn't a demon.

Exactly. That's what I've been trying to say. I suck at communication tonight. It's also worth noting that the Mutalith and Slaughterbrute are 220 points and 200 points respectively, while the Glottkin is 480 points. You can't exactly just slot the Glottkin into a list to beef it up the way you could the other two.

Slaughterbrute + Bloodsecrator + Bloodstoker = RAGE

The Mutalith didn't got a massive boost, but still it has always been a pain to fight against.

 EnTyme wrote:
It'll be interesting to see if Nurgle and Slaanesh get their own Monster of Chaos when their armies get updated. I could see a Jabberslythe of Nurgle or a Chimera of Slaanesh being thematic.

I was thinking about the same, however, Jabberslythes are currently resin kits. Hopefully will get a better idea of what's next for Nurgle on AoS alongside the coming Death Guard release. I'm still hoping that those Nurgle mutants can be built with upgrade sprues, like Tzaangors.

 EnTyme wrote:
I'm already trying to figure out what the best oval base size will be for it (not a fan of square/rectangle bases).

I don't like four-sided bases for the bigger models either.

The120x92mm base seems to be the most common oval base used for monsters and chariots. All the Seraphon monsters use it, Chaos Chariots, Manticores and Warshrines use them. The only monsters that use a different oval bases are Stardrakes, using 170x105mm bases, and Drycha and Treelords, using 105x70mm bases.

 Future War Cultist wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
I'm already trying to figure out what the best oval base size will be for it (not a fan of square/rectangle bases).

I'm not quite sure how big the Slaughterbrute is, but I'll assume that what we want is the 170x105mm base. This one here.

No, you don't want it. Only the Stardrakes, Imperial Knights and Stormsurges use that base size.

 EnTyme wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
I'm already trying to figure out what the best oval base size will be for it (not a fan of square/rectangle bases).

I'm not quite sure how big the Slaughterbrute is, but I'll assume that what we want is the 170x105mm base. This one here.

Actually just found a chart of all bases used for fantasy (I need to bookmark that when I get home), and it looks like the Slaughterbrute used the same size base as the Chaos Chariot, so it should fit on the same size base that that one uses now (120mmx92mm). The 170mmx105mm would be the same one used by Imperial Knights and the Tau Stormsurge. Though come to think of it, I could probably use one of those and have room left over for something else. Maybe a dead Stormcast or something. Hmmm.

I'd tell you to not base yourself entirely on it (no pun intended). As examples: Terradons and Spawns used 40mm square bases on Fantasy, but now use 50mm round bases on AoS, even while there are 40mm round bases; the Chaos Knights currently use bigger bases than the Marauders Horsemen, while they used the same base sizes on Fantasy; and the Slaves to Darkness Lord on Daemonic Mount use the same oval base as the Knights, while the Nurgle CL on Daemonic Mount, now Harbinger of Decay, uses a 60mm round base.

Chikout wrote:
Giants are getting a warscroll update too. Details not confirmed yet but may add ironjawz keyword.

I'd like to see if they get new options for different factions, but I don't think they have to be only for Ironjawz. I still can't understand why people think that the Ironjawz Battleforce' Gargant was useless when you can deploy any unit of any faction of your Grand Alliance. Your chosen allegiance do not affect which units you can deploy.

 EnTyme wrote:
In the last few months, Tzeentch, Stormcasts, and Khorne have each been combined from 2 subfactions into one.

Stormcasts never where splitted in subfactions. Extremis Chamber have never been a keyword. They were an expansion, even while GW had a filter for them, although unlike Chaos Mortals and Daemons, they never got an actual keyword to differentiate them.

Now the elves, on the other hand...

CMLR wrote:
Slaughterbrute + Bloodsecrator + Bloodstoker = RAGE

The Mutalith didn't got a massive boost, but still it has always been a pain to fight against.

 EnTyme wrote:
It'll be interesting to see if Nurgle and Slaanesh get their own Monster of Chaos when their armies get updated. I could see a Jabberslythe of Nurgle or a Chimera of Slaanesh being thematic.

I was thinking about the same, however, Jabberslythes are currently resin kits. Hopefully will get a better idea of what's next for Nurgle on AoS alongside the coming Death Guard release. I'm still hoping that those Nurgle mutants can be built with upgrade sprues, like Tzaangors.

Tzeentch is my favorite Dark Power, but I can't wait to see what Nurgle has coming down the pipe! He always has the most interesting models!

CMLR wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
I'm already trying to figure out what the best oval base size will be for it (not a fan of square/rectangle bases).

I'm not quite sure how big the Slaughterbrute is, but I'll assume that what we want is the 170x105mm base. This one here.

Actually just found a chart of all bases used for fantasy (I need to bookmark that when I get home), and it looks like the Slaughterbrute used the same size base as the Chaos Chariot, so it should fit on the same size base that that one uses now (120mmx92mm). The 170mmx105mm would be the same one used by Imperial Knights and the Tau Stormsurge. Though come to think of it, I could probably use one of those and have room left over for something else. Maybe a dead Stormcast or something. Hmmm.

I'd tell you to not base yourself entirely on it (no pun intended). Terradons and Spawns used 40x40mm square bases on Fantasy, but no use 50x50mm round bases on AoS, even while there are 40x40mm round bases.

Good to know. It'll still make a good baseline.

CMLR wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
In the last few months, Tzeentch, Stormcasts, and Khorne have each been combined from 2 subfactions into one.

Stormcasts never where splitted in subfactions. Extremis Chamber have never been a keyword. They were an expansion, even while GW had a filter for them, although unlike Chaos Mortals and Daemons, they never got an actual keyword to differentiate them.

Now the elves, on the other hand...

Extremis still got its own Battletome, so combining it with the rest of the Stormcast line and the Vanguard chamber (can't quite remember the name) definitely simplifies things. And yeah. Elves are an absolute mess right now. Four subfactions for Dark Elves, five for High Elves, and one for Wood Elves (two if you count Sylvaneth, which you probably shouldn't based on the Sylvanth fluff). Hoping to see that cleaned up soon.

On the Facebook announcement post of the Vortex Beast and Slaughterbrute, I saw someone comment about the Jabberslythe being perfect for Nurgle and the page owner responded with "Oh, good shout!". We might see that one turn to Nurgle soon.

Future War Cultist wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
I'm already trying to figure out what the best oval base size will be for it (not a fan of square/rectangle bases).

I'm not quite sure how big the Slaughterbrute is, but I'll assume that what we want is the 170x105mm base. This one here.

It just barley fits on a 100x50, the front and back feet touching the base are 100mm apart. You could fit it on a base one size smaller (120x92mm), but it will overhang a lot (like it does on the rectangle).

CMLR wrote:
The Mutalith didn't got a massive boost, but still it has always been a pain to fight against.

It's a little better with destiny dice.

 EnTyme wrote:
It'll be interesting to see if Nurgle and Slaanesh get their own Monster of Chaos when their armies get updated. I could see a Jabberslythe of Nurgle or a Chimera of Slaanesh being thematic.

Yes! How do we make this happen?

 DarkBlack wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
It'll be interesting to see if Nurgle and Slaanesh get their own Monster of Chaos when their armies get updated. I could see a Jabberslythe of Nurgle or a Chimera of Slaanesh being thematic.

Yes! How do we make this happen?

We rush Warhammer World with picks and torches shouting "LONG LIVE PAPA NURGLE! GIVE US OUR JABBERSLYTHE!"

Common guys*, we can do this!


*Excluding Tzeentch

I like the Chimera as a Slaanesh model too, its fast and fragile so will fit in well.

The multiple heads can make it carry multiple or variable marks too though.

Unlike the Slaughterbrute/Mutalith which had obvious bias towards certain gods, the Jabberslythe and Chimera are more generic monsters of chaos. I would rather see something that gives them (and other chaos monsters like giants) the Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle, or Slaanesh keyword if it is included in an army with that allegiance. That way armies with generic Chaos allegiance get the un-marked version while they can also be taken in mono-god armies as well (as a reward for mon-god dedication as it were). Perhaps some beasts could be missing certain keywords, like a Jabberslythe lacking the option to gain the Khorne keyword since it isn't really Khorney at all.

So when is Kharadron pre-order?

 RyanAvx wrote:
So when is Kharadron pre-order?

According to Warhammer TV's Facebook, next weekend.

 RyanAvx wrote:
So when is Kharadron pre-order?

15th of April

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Unlike the Slaughterbrute/Mutalith which had obvious bias towards certain gods, the Jabberslythe and Chimera are more generic monsters of chaos. I would rather see something that gives them (and other chaos monsters like giants) the Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle, or Slaanesh keyword if it is included in an army with that allegiance. That way armies with generic Chaos allegiance get the un-marked version while they can also be taken in mono-god armies as well (as a reward for mon-god dedication as it were). Perhaps some beasts could be missing certain keywords, like a Jabberslythe lacking the option to gain the Khorne keyword since it isn't really Khorney at all.

Yeah I like the idea of giving a few of the more 'generic' monsters the ability to pick some different keywords - i.e. it would be great if Gargants were given the ability to choose from a bunch of different keywords so that most Chaos armies could include one without then having to give up a specific allegiance

They doing the whole lot of Skydorfs in one week, or splitting the pre-orders over two?

I do hope they do some Silver Tower rules for these guys. Any excuse to get hold of this guy.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They doing the whole lot of Skydorfs in one week, or splitting the pre-orders over two?

I do hope they do some Silver Tower rules for these guys. Any excuse to get hold of this guy.

First wave goes up this weekend it seems - from Community-

The first of the Kharadron Overlords touch down next weekend. We can’t wait!

 DarkBlack wrote:

Future War Cultist wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
I'm already trying to figure out what the best oval base size will be for it (not a fan of square/rectangle bases).

I'm not quite sure how big the Slaughterbrute is, but I'll assume that what we want is the 170x105mm base. This one here.

It just barley fits on a 100x50, the front and back feet touching the base are 100mm apart. You could fit it on a base one size smaller (120x92mm), but it will overhang a lot (like it does on the rectangle).

It dosen't matter if some part hangout a bit. My Carnosaurs' tails hang out a lot. In fact, a whole lot of models on big bases have parts hanging out: the whole Stonehorn face, Mortarchs' abyssals, Terrorgheists and basically any winged model suffer from that.

The point is that a 170mm oval base is just way, way too big for them.

CMLR wrote:
The Mutalith didn't got a massive boost, but still it has always been a pain to fight against.

It's a little better with destiny dice.

If it has not been scooped...

For next week:

Battletome: Kharadron Overlords £25
Warscrolls: Kharadron Overlords £10
Kharadron Overlords: Arkanaut Frigate £50
Kharadron Overlords: Arkanaut Company £27.50
Kharadron Overlords: Arkanaut Admiral £15

No price on the big ship yet, but £80 was 'suggested'.

Oh, and Shadow War... Box set not coming back but the forthcoming book will be the new entry for it.

A little bit more expensive than expected but not the worst - the company is a couple of pounds more than hoped, the frigate is a bit more, not horrendous - its a big kit though? I'll definitely be getting these through DarkSphere rather than GW. I hope the other two infantry kits are around £20-25, the IronClad being £80 wouldn't be a surprise at all.

Source on the prices? (as ever, standard question!)

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Source on the prices? (as ever, standard question!)

Straight from GW (hawking for pre-orders, so prices need to be given!).

Cool

Thanks Matt!

Puts the Skydorf infantry at the same price as the Tzaangors for 10 of 'em. Not horrible.