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Ouze wrote: Man, this went to "Thanks, Obama" pretty fast, huh?
Well, in their defense, they are running out of time to use it. Then it will be "Thanks, Hillary" all day, every day.
Which is a shame, really, because "Thanks Hillary!" just doesn't have the same ring to it like "Thanks Obama!" does.
d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
Depending on how Obama acts next his legacy could have lasting influence on relations with Turkey and her neighbours. 'Thanks Obama' indeed!
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
CptJake wrote: Watching the way the tanks were maneuvering and seeing the actions of some of the other rebels, I was very much under the impression they did not want to be responsible for a lot of civilian bloodshed.
I think that may have hampered them, but was very much a 'good thing'. It could have been a lot worse.
Some of the soldiers arrested have been saying that they thought they were undertaking drill exercises.
CptJake wrote: Watching the way the tanks were maneuvering and seeing the actions of some of the other rebels, I was very much under the impression they did not want to be responsible for a lot of civilian bloodshed.
I think that may have hampered them, but was very much a 'good thing'. It could have been a lot worse.
Some of the soldiers arrested have been saying that they thought they were undertaking drill exercises.
Some soldiers have been lynched apparently.
A good day for Erdogan.
There have been public beheadings in the streets already. I wonder why people were opposed to giving Turkish civilians VISA free travel.
CptJake wrote: Watching the way the tanks were maneuvering and seeing the actions of some of the other rebels, I was very much under the impression they did not want to be responsible for a lot of civilian bloodshed.
I think that may have hampered them, but was very much a 'good thing'. It could have been a lot worse.
Some of the soldiers arrested have been saying that they thought they were undertaking drill exercises.
Some soldiers have been lynched apparently.
A good day for Erdogan.
There have been public beheadings in the streets already. I wonder why people were opposed to giving Turkish civilians VISA free travel.
Breotan wrote: So, President Obama, do you hand over this cleric as Erdogan is asking? If so, are you sending an innocent man to prison or death just because Erdogan wants all his enemies eliminated? Or are you sending an agitator to his rightful punishment? Given you were caught completely off guard by this failed coup attempt, how will you ever know?
Things like this are your legacy, Mr. President. Under your watch, the world has become a much more dangerous place.
The US has already said they would not extradite this bloke without evidence.
Breotan wrote: So, President Obama, do you hand over this cleric as Erdogan is asking? If so, are you sending an innocent man to prison or death just because Erdogan wants all his enemies eliminated? Or are you sending an agitator to his rightful punishment? Given you were caught completely off guard by this failed coup attempt, how will you ever know?
Things like this are your legacy, Mr. President. Under your watch, the world has become a much more dangerous place.
The US has already said they would not extradite this bloke without evidence.
Your reply is a little late. When I posted that the only statement was Kerry saying the US would consider Erdogan's request. The administration's "concerns" about Erdogan's crackdown were made after I posted. Even then, President Obama hasn't really used any leverage to reign in Erdogan, has he? Turkey moves from secular to fundamentalist and Obama sits on the sidelines.
However the question remains, what will the President do? Will he hand over a (probably) innocent man to appease a wannabe dictator? Or will he enforce the rule of law and risk Erdogan fomenting anti-western sentiment in Turkey - moving the country even more towards fundamentalism?
I'd still like to know if the false flag theory has any credible evidence to support it. People are starting to double down on it and evidence to the contrary has been lacking.
Breotan wrote: . Even then, President Obama hasn't really used any leverage to reign in Erdogan, has he? Turkey moves from secular to fundamentalist and Obama sits on the sidelines.
It's almost as if Turkey is a sovereign NATO country and Erdogan is the democratically elected leader of said country.
Don't let facts get in the way of your dislike for Obama though.
Please don't break rule 1, thanks
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Dreadwinter wrote: So wait, Obama is supposed to reign in the president of a completely different country now? Are we doing that Team America World Police thing again?
Well yes. Haven't you heard. If America acts we are bad. If America doesn't act we are bad. Go MERICA
Because we see the world with America not using its influence and you guys are apparently okay with that? Wow. Feth human rights and all that stuff, right? Go, Team Erdogan!!!!
Breotan wrote: So, President Obama, do you hand over this cleric as Erdogan is asking? If so, are you sending an innocent man to prison or death just because Erdogan wants all his enemies eliminated? Or are you sending an agitator to his rightful punishment? Given you were caught completely off guard by this failed coup attempt, how will you ever know?
Things like this are your legacy, Mr. President. Under your watch, the world has become a much more dangerous place.
The US has already said they would not extradite this bloke without evidence.
Your reply is a little late. When I posted that the only statement was Kerry saying the US would consider Erdogan's request. The administration's "concerns" about Erdogan's crackdown were made after I posted. Even then, President Obama hasn't really used any leverage to reign in Erdogan, has he? Turkey moves from secular to fundamentalist and Obama sits on the sidelines.
However the question remains, what will the President do? Will he hand over a (probably) innocent man to appease a wannabe dictator? Or will he enforce the rule of law and risk Erdogan fomenting anti-western sentiment in Turkey - moving the country even more towards fundamentalism?
I'd still like to know if the false flag theory has any credible evidence to support it. People are starting to double down on it and evidence to the contrary has been lacking.
Breotan wrote: So, President Obama, do you hand over this cleric as Erdogan is asking? If so, are you sending an innocent man to prison or death just because Erdogan wants all his enemies eliminated? Or are you sending an agitator to his rightful punishment? Given you were caught completely off guard by this failed coup attempt, how will you ever know?
Things like this are your legacy, Mr. President. Under your watch, the world has become a much more dangerous place.
The US has already said they would not extradite this bloke without evidence.
Your reply is a little late. When I posted that the only statement was Kerry saying the US would consider Erdogan's request. The administration's "concerns" about Erdogan's crackdown were made after I posted. Even then, President Obama hasn't really used any leverage to reign in Erdogan, has he? Turkey moves from secular to fundamentalist and Obama sits on the sidelines.
However the question remains, what will the President do? Will he hand over a (probably) innocent man to appease a wannabe dictator? Or will he enforce the rule of law and risk Erdogan fomenting anti-western sentiment in Turkey - moving the country even more towards fundamentalism?
I'd still like to know if the false flag theory has any credible evidence to support it. People are starting to double down on it and evidence to the contrary has been lacking.
False flag or not you don't just kick 2,5K judges (judges? wtf were 2,5K judges doing in a coup) overnight.
Evidently Erdogan had the mechanisms in place to weed out opponents at the slightest excuse.
Breotan wrote: Because we see the world with America not using its influence and you guys are apparently okay with that? Wow. Feth human rights and all that stuff, right? Go, Team Erdogan!!!!
Am I doing it right?
What exactly is Obama supposed to do here? I think before you criticize him for doing nothing you need to suggest a viable plan for getting involved in the situation, and it had better be a plan that acknowledges past screwups in picking a side in the middle east.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Dreadwinter wrote: So wait, Obama is supposed to reign in the president of a completely different country now? Are we doing that Team America World Police thing again?
Maybe the CIA should stage a coup...oh wait.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Iron_Captain wrote: This was going to end badly no matter the outcome. It would have been a sad day for democracy if the military had taken control, but it is an equally sad day for democracy that Erdogan remains in power. Erdogan may have been elected, but being elected does unfortenately not neccessarily make you a democratic leader. Hitler probably being the saddest example of this.
Erdogan is a dictator of the purest sort, and this failed coup will only serve to further his autocratic goals. It also stinks heavily of conspiracy. It reminds me a lot of the appartment bombings in Russia.
Erdogan being a villain is not a big deal if he's being voted out. Military coup is utterly evil no matter what and i am all against it.
But it is good that some two thousands corrupt jugdes lost their job and get caught. but should the persecutions extended to the public supporters of these renegades?
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Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
Iron_Captain wrote: This was going to end badly no matter the outcome. It would have been a sad day for democracy if the military had taken control, but it is an equally sad day for democracy that Erdogan remains in power. Erdogan may have been elected, but being elected does unfortenately not neccessarily make you a democratic leader. Hitler probably being the saddest example of this.
Erdogan is a dictator of the purest sort, and this failed coup will only serve to further his autocratic goals. It also stinks heavily of conspiracy. It reminds me a lot of the appartment bombings in Russia.
Erdogan being a villain is not a big deal if he's being voted out. Military coup is utterly evil no matter what and i am all against it.
But it is good that some two thousands corrupt jugdes lost their job and get caught. but should the persecutions extended to the public supporters of these renegades?
So because an increasingly authoritarian and dictatorial leader tells that 6000+ people are corrupt, you believe him ?
At the height of the attempt to overthrow Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the rebel pilots of two F-16 fighter jets had Erdogan's plane in their sights. And yet he was able to fly on.
The Turkish leader was returning to Istanbul from a holiday near the coastal resort of Marmaris after a faction in the military launched the coup attempt on Friday night, sealing off a bridge across the Bosphorus, trying to capture Istanbul's main airport and sending tanks to parliament in Ankara.
"At least two F-16s harassed Erdogan's plane while it was in the air and en route to Istanbul. They locked their radars on his plane and on two other F-16s protecting him," a former military officer with knowledge of the events told Reuters. "Why they didn't fire is a mystery."
A successful overthrow of Erdogan, who has ruled the country of about 80 million people since 2003, could have sent Turkey spiraling into conflict and marked another seismic shift in the Middle East, five years after the Arab Spring uprisings erupted and plunged its southern neighbor Syria into civil war.
A senior Turkish official confirmed to Reuters that Erdogan's business jet had been harassed while flying from the airport that serves Marmaris by two F-16s commandeered by the coup plotters but that he had managed to reach Istanbul safely.
A second senior official also said the presidential jet had been "in trouble in the air" but gave no details.
Flight tracker websites showed a Gulfstream IV aircraft, a type of business jet owned by the Turkish government, take off from Dalaman airport, which is about an hour and a quarter's drive from Marmaris, on Friday night.
It later circled in what appeared to be a holding pattern just south of Istanbul, around the time when a Reuters witness in the airport was still hearing bursts of gunfire, before finally coming in to land.
But the attempt crumbled as forces loyal to Erdogan pushed the rebels back and as the Turkish leader, at one point appearing on broadcaster CNN Turk in a video call from a mobile phone, urged people to take to the streets to support him.
A former air force commander was among those being interrogated Monday amid suspicions he was the coup's ringleader.
When you have a coup... you bring down the leader.
At the height of the attempt to overthrow Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the rebel pilots of two F-16 fighter jets had Erdogan's plane in their sights. And yet he was able to fly on.
The Turkish leader was returning to Istanbul from a holiday near the coastal resort of Marmaris after a faction in the military launched the coup attempt on Friday night, sealing off a bridge across the Bosphorus, trying to capture Istanbul's main airport and sending tanks to parliament in Ankara.
"At least two F-16s harassed Erdogan's plane while it was in the air and en route to Istanbul. They locked their radars on his plane and on two other F-16s protecting him," a former military officer with knowledge of the events told Reuters. "Why they didn't fire is a mystery."
A successful overthrow of Erdogan, who has ruled the country of about 80 million people since 2003, could have sent Turkey spiraling into conflict and marked another seismic shift in the Middle East, five years after the Arab Spring uprisings erupted and plunged its southern neighbor Syria into civil war.
A senior Turkish official confirmed to Reuters that Erdogan's business jet had been harassed while flying from the airport that serves Marmaris by two F-16s commandeered by the coup plotters but that he had managed to reach Istanbul safely.
A second senior official also said the presidential jet had been "in trouble in the air" but gave no details.
Flight tracker websites showed a Gulfstream IV aircraft, a type of business jet owned by the Turkish government, take off from Dalaman airport, which is about an hour and a quarter's drive from Marmaris, on Friday night.
It later circled in what appeared to be a holding pattern just south of Istanbul, around the time when a Reuters witness in the airport was still hearing bursts of gunfire, before finally coming in to land.
But the attempt crumbled as forces loyal to Erdogan pushed the rebels back and as the Turkish leader, at one point appearing on broadcaster CNN Turk in a video call from a mobile phone, urged people to take to the streets to support him.
A former air force commander was among those being interrogated Monday amid suspicions he was the coup's ringleader.
When you have a coup... you bring down the leader.
That's...surprising, if true. Once you put your proverbial dick on the table and attempt a coup, you go balls in, not pull out lamely.
6000 in the military and judiciary arrested, 8000 police suspended. It's not credible, there should be international observers there to check that the investigation is above board.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: The Police too? Fething hell. I find it hard to believe the Coup had that many people involved.
Smells like he's taking the opportunity to purge not just the coup actors, but certain rivals and "sticky wickets" as well.
Thats how democracy dies, with thunderous applause.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
