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 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
From B&C

Wraithwing wrote:
HOW TO PAINT: DEATHWATCH (ENGLISH) 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £6.00
DEATHWATCH KILL TEAM CASSIUS 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £40.00
DEATHWATCH WATCH CAPTAIN 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £15.00
DEATHWATCH BIKERS 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £35.00
DEATHWATCH LAND RAIDER 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £48.00
DEATHWATCH TRANSPORT 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £25.00
DEATHWATCH WATCH CAPT./TERMINATOR ARMOUR 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £15.00

Apparently these are existing kits with a DW upgrade sprue. But those characters make me wonder, they're cheaper than the existing character models, so it would be super weird for GW to repack an old model with extra bits and lower the price.

I'm confused as to what the "Deathwatch Transport" is, at least at the 25 GBP price point.

Probably a Rhino, maybe a Razorback, with upgrade sprue.

Razorback with upgrade sprue

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
From B&C

Wraithwing wrote:
HOW TO PAINT: DEATHWATCH (ENGLISH) 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £6.00
DEATHWATCH KILL TEAM CASSIUS 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £40.00
DEATHWATCH WATCH CAPTAIN 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £15.00
DEATHWATCH BIKERS 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £35.00
DEATHWATCH LAND RAIDER 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £48.00
DEATHWATCH TRANSPORT 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £25.00
DEATHWATCH WATCH CAPT./TERMINATOR ARMOUR 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £15.00

Apparently these are existing kits with a DW upgrade sprue. But those characters make me wonder, they're cheaper than the existing character models, so it would be super weird for GW to repack an old model with extra bits and lower the price.

I'm confused as to what the "Deathwatch Transport" is, at least at the 25 GBP price point.

Probably a Rhino, maybe a Razorback, with upgrade sprue.

Would be very unlike GW to toss in an extra frame at the same price point for a regular Razorback.

 Insurgency Walker wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
From B&C

Wraithwing wrote:
HOW TO PAINT: DEATHWATCH (ENGLISH) 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £6.00
DEATHWATCH KILL TEAM CASSIUS 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £40.00
DEATHWATCH WATCH CAPTAIN 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £15.00
DEATHWATCH BIKERS 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £35.00
DEATHWATCH LAND RAIDER 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £48.00
DEATHWATCH TRANSPORT 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £25.00
DEATHWATCH WATCH CAPT./TERMINATOR ARMOUR 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £15.00

Apparently these are existing kits with a DW upgrade sprue. But those characters make me wonder, they're cheaper than the existing character models, so it would be super weird for GW to repack an old model with extra bits and lower the price.

I'm confused as to what the "Deathwatch Transport" is, at least at the 25 GBP price point.

Probably a Rhino, maybe a Razorback, with upgrade sprue.

Would be very unlike GW to toss in an extra frame at the same price point for a regular Razorback.

No, not at all. Look at all the Start Collecting! sets. They are not lowering prices of existing SKUs, but new SKUs may include additional items for the same or similiar price.

Maybe this is the new, friendlier GW under Rountree?

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
From B&C

Wraithwing wrote:
HOW TO PAINT: DEATHWATCH (ENGLISH) 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £6.00
DEATHWATCH KILL TEAM CASSIUS 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £40.00
DEATHWATCH WATCH CAPTAIN 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £15.00
DEATHWATCH BIKERS 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £35.00
DEATHWATCH LAND RAIDER 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £48.00
DEATHWATCH TRANSPORT 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £25.00
DEATHWATCH WATCH CAPT./TERMINATOR ARMOUR 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £15.00

Apparently these are existing kits with a DW upgrade sprue. But those characters make me wonder, they're cheaper than the existing character models, so it would be super weird for GW to repack an old model with extra bits and lower the price.

I'm confused as to what the "Deathwatch Transport" is, at least at the 25 GBP price point.

Probably a Rhino, maybe a Razorback, with upgrade sprue.

I'm thinking that you're right on this one.

25 GBP price bracket=$41 price bracket; which is around the same price as a Razorback($41.25).

Shame, as I was reeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaallly hoping it was a Corvus Blackstar.

So no picture of the DW upgrade frame yet? I really want to see what it looks like!

 Hanskrampf wrote:

 Insurgency Walker wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
From B&C

Wraithwing wrote:
HOW TO PAINT: DEATHWATCH (ENGLISH) 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £6.00
DEATHWATCH KILL TEAM CASSIUS 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £40.00
DEATHWATCH WATCH CAPTAIN 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £15.00
DEATHWATCH BIKERS 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £35.00
DEATHWATCH LAND RAIDER 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £48.00
DEATHWATCH TRANSPORT 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £25.00
DEATHWATCH WATCH CAPT./TERMINATOR ARMOUR 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £15.00

Apparently these are existing kits with a DW upgrade sprue. But those characters make me wonder, they're cheaper than the existing character models, so it would be super weird for GW to repack an old model with extra bits and lower the price.

I'm confused as to what the "Deathwatch Transport" is, at least at the 25 GBP price point.

Probably a Rhino, maybe a Razorback, with upgrade sprue.

Would be very unlike GW to toss in an extra frame at the same price point for a regular Razorback.

No, not at all. Look at all the Start Collecting! sets. They are not lowering prices of existing SKUs, but new SKUs may include additional items for the same or similiar price.

Yes, the start collecting sets are a good value, but so are the old starter army sets.
If they sell a razorback, and a DW razorback for the same price no one would ever buy the bog standard razorback because you could always sell or trade the DW upgrades if you wanted to build a non DW razorback.
Makes more sense to have the vehicle upgrade in the rhino kit, so you need to buy both kits if you want a razorback.

 Hanskrampf wrote:

 Insurgency Walker wrote:


Would be very unlike GW to toss in an extra frame at the same price point for a regular Razorback.

No, not at all. Look at all the Start Collecting! sets. They are not lowering prices of existing SKUs, but new SKUs may include additional items for the same or similiar price.

Or various AoS repacks of existing kits, where they increase the model count but price at an overall lower per model price, e.g Skullcrushers going from 3 for $60 USD to 6 for $100 USD.

Gw does not care which kit money comes as long as it comes. Who buys lone knight when renegade is?

 Insurgency Walker wrote:

Spoiler:

 Hanskrampf wrote:

 Insurgency Walker wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
From B&C

Wraithwing wrote:
HOW TO PAINT: DEATHWATCH (ENGLISH) 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £6.00
DEATHWATCH KILL TEAM CASSIUS 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £40.00
DEATHWATCH WATCH CAPTAIN 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £15.00
DEATHWATCH BIKERS 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £35.00
DEATHWATCH LAND RAIDER 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £48.00
DEATHWATCH TRANSPORT 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £25.00
DEATHWATCH WATCH CAPT./TERMINATOR ARMOUR 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £15.00

Apparently these are existing kits with a DW upgrade sprue. But those characters make me wonder, they're cheaper than the existing character models, so it would be super weird for GW to repack an old model with extra bits and lower the price.

I'm confused as to what the "Deathwatch Transport" is, at least at the 25 GBP price point.

Probably a Rhino, maybe a Razorback, with upgrade sprue.

Would be very unlike GW to toss in an extra frame at the same price point for a regular Razorback.

No, not at all. Look at all the Start Collecting! sets. They are not lowering prices of existing SKUs, but new SKUs may include additional items for the same or similiar price.

Yes, the start collecting sets are a good value, but so are the old starter army sets.
If they sell a razorback, and a DW razorback for the same price no one would ever buy the bog standard razorback because you could always sell or trade the DW upgrades if you wanted to build a non DW razorback.
Makes more sense to have the vehicle upgrade in the rhino kit, so you need to buy both kits if you want a razorback.

The SC! are doing this exact thing. For example, Sekeleton Horde is a few bucks more than the Mortarch alone. Sell off the Black Knights and Skeletons and you have the Mortarch for ~40€ instead of 62€. Same could be said about the normal Rhino, the Razorback comes with the turret sprue, which can be sold off for more than the price difference between the two sets.

 Insurgency Walker wrote:

Yes, the start collecting sets are a good value, but so are the old starter army sets.
If they sell a razorback, and a DW razorback for the same price no one would ever buy the bog standard razorback because you could always sell or trade the DW upgrades if you wanted to build a non DW razorback.
Makes more sense to have the vehicle upgrade in the rhino kit, so you need to buy both kits if you want a razorback.

Considering they've been talking about how to reduce SKUs, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Rhino kit removed from sale at some point.

A Razorback builds a Razorback or Rhino. So why keep the Rhino on the shelves?

 Hanskrampf wrote:

 Insurgency Walker wrote:

Spoiler:

 Hanskrampf wrote:

 Insurgency Walker wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
From B&C

Wraithwing wrote:
HOW TO PAINT: DEATHWATCH (ENGLISH) 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £6.00
DEATHWATCH KILL TEAM CASSIUS 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £40.00
DEATHWATCH WATCH CAPTAIN 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £15.00
DEATHWATCH BIKERS 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £35.00
DEATHWATCH LAND RAIDER 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £48.00
DEATHWATCH TRANSPORT 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £25.00
DEATHWATCH WATCH CAPT./TERMINATOR ARMOUR 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £15.00

Apparently these are existing kits with a DW upgrade sprue. But those characters make me wonder, they're cheaper than the existing character models, so it would be super weird for GW to repack an old model with extra bits and lower the price.

I'm confused as to what the "Deathwatch Transport" is, at least at the 25 GBP price point.

Probably a Rhino, maybe a Razorback, with upgrade sprue.

Would be very unlike GW to toss in an extra frame at the same price point for a regular Razorback.

No, not at all. Look at all the Start Collecting! sets. They are not lowering prices of existing SKUs, but new SKUs may include additional items for the same or similiar price.

Yes, the start collecting sets are a good value, but so are the old starter army sets.
If they sell a razorback, and a DW razorback for the same price no one would ever buy the bog standard razorback because you could always sell or trade the DW upgrades if you wanted to build a non DW razorback.
Makes more sense to have the vehicle upgrade in the rhino kit, so you need to buy both kits if you want a razorback.

The SC! are doing this exact thing. For example, Sekeleton Horde is a few bucks more than the Mortarch alone. Sell off the Black Knights and Skeletons and you have the Mortarch for ~40€ instead of 62€. Same could be said about the normal Rhino, the Razorback comes with the turret sprue, which can be sold off for more than the price difference between the two sets.

I know, I have not purchased a rhino since the razorback came out. More for less works well when pushing the out side of the price envelope, but I don't think they would obsolete the basic razorback.


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 Kanluwen wrote:

 Insurgency Walker wrote:

Yes, the start collecting sets are a good value, but so are the old starter army sets.
If they sell a razorback, and a DW razorback for the same price no one would ever buy the bog standard razorback because you could always sell or trade the DW upgrades if you wanted to build a non DW razorback.
Makes more sense to have the vehicle upgrade in the rhino kit, so you need to buy both kits if you want a razorback.

Considering they've been talking about how to reduce SKUs, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Rhino kit removed from sale at some point.

A Razorback builds a Razorback or Rhino. So why keep the Rhino on the shelves?

I could see that happening.

Alendrel wrote:

 Hanskrampf wrote:

 Insurgency Walker wrote:


Would be very unlike GW to toss in an extra frame at the same price point for a regular Razorback.

No, not at all. Look at all the Start Collecting! sets. They are not lowering prices of existing SKUs, but new SKUs may include additional items for the same or similiar price.

Or various AoS repacks of existing kits, where they increase the model count but price at an overall lower per model price, e.g Skullcrushers going from 3 for $60 USD to 6 for $100 USD.

They're doing that because the older molds long ago paid off their R&D and material costs, so selling them is essentially free money for GW(minus the pittance for plastic pellets and delivery to stores) - they could be selling those boxes for a tenner and still make a profit. It's a good move don't get me wrong, but it doesn't cost them very much and the price for these bundles seems to be a continuation of their mental pricing policy for everything new.

It's just so odd, you'd expect them to have an organised system with SKUs organised into sensible categories that all sell at the same pricepoint, then just modify prices periodically to account for inflation.

I just want to know how much overtime I need to put in for some of the Corvus flyers.

 Thud wrote:

fresus wrote:
Maybe I messed up, but I find the troupes cheaper than they should, even though there's a bonus…
So it's either a freebee, or the named troupe masters have different stats (one fewer wound?).

The voidweaver has to be more armored, otherwise it's +10pts for nothing, which seems unlikely. Also, the fluff description hints towards that.

I think you did. Or maybe I am.

I'm getting the opposite. The first unit would be 131 points with those upgrades, and the second 145 points.

I get exactly 15 points more than you for each troupe. Did you count the additional player? Even though the box comes with 6 guys, the base cost in the codex only covers for the master + 4 players.

Yeah.....those fliers are too sexy to not have at least three.

The fact that they are dedicated transports for the troop veterans is just icing on the cake.

I mean, that is just so awesome!!! A flight of three in formation flying onto the battlefield guns blazing before setting down and disgorging the special forces!!!!

Makes me so happy to think about it, forging the HARDEST of narratives right now.

Need to see specific wording but overall I am pretty excited to play it in the competitive scene. It gives you what most space marine units lack, the ability to specialize across the board without the other taxes. Their tactics help every model in most situations, so on and so forth. As someone who likes to win with solid tactical play rather than general brute force this really appeals to me.

If stormbolters finally get special ammunition I might finally be able to throw down some terminators. Also, it looks like they get a terminator captain, is it possible they can get the cataphracti terminator upgrade?

Think about it, Terminator, one or two vangaurd with power weapons, a biker. Now you get to rapid fire your bolters into one target, split fire a bolt pistol into another and then still charge!

Not got a lot of info on the packages but it's definitely a razorback with upgrade sprue.

They are limited releases though so maybe it's not a big deal to give the sprue away if it drives up sales on the other stuff?

I think the new Tau Barracuda is still better than their transports, but not by much. Which is a good thing. Meaning they're transport is probably in the top 10 best flyers. As it should be. I don't necessarily need something to be crazy OP as long as it's competitive (even though I can't play).

I'll likely end up getting two or three when I start DW army.

 Leth wrote:


Makes me so happy to think about it, forging the HARDEST of narratives right now.

Ded. This killed me.

Also agree with your points.

Kijamon wrote:
Not got a lot of info on the packages but it's definitely a razorback with upgrade sprue.

They are limited releases though so maybe it's not a big deal to give the sprue away if it drives up sales on the other stuff?

Thanks for this. So it's a splash release.

I'm surprised they are releasing the Watch-Captain blister(Artemis from the box) this quickly though. Unless they mislabeled the Watch Master with the halberd?

fresus wrote:

 Thud wrote:

fresus wrote:
Maybe I messed up, but I find the troupes cheaper than they should, even though there's a bonus…
So it's either a freebee, or the named troupe masters have different stats (one fewer wound?).

The voidweaver has to be more armored, otherwise it's +10pts for nothing, which seems unlikely. Also, the fluff description hints towards that.

I think you did. Or maybe I am.

I'm getting the opposite. The first unit would be 131 points with those upgrades, and the second 145 points.

I get exactly 15 points more than you for each troupe. Did you count the additional player? Even though the box comes with 6 guys, the base cost in the codex only covers for the master + 4 players.

I did not count the extra player, because I am dumb.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Kijamon wrote:
Not got a lot of info on the packages but it's definitely a razorback with upgrade sprue.

They are limited releases though so maybe it's not a big deal to give the sprue away if it drives up sales on the other stuff?

Thanks for this. So it's a splash release.

I'm surprised they are releasing the Watch-Captain blister(Artemis from the box) this quickly though. Unless they mislabeled the Watch Master with the halberd?

Do we know for sure that it is Artemis? Could be a different model. Heck, the SM Commander kit came with a DW pad, could just be him.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Kijamon wrote:
Not got a lot of info on the packages but it's definitely a razorback with upgrade sprue.

They are limited releases though so maybe it's not a big deal to give the sprue away if it drives up sales on the other stuff?

Thanks for this. So it's a splash release.

I'm surprised they are releasing the Watch-Captain blister(Artemis from the box) this quickly though. Unless they mislabeled the Watch Master with the halberd?

Do we know for sure that it is Artemis? Could be a different model. Heck, the SM Commander kit came with a DW pad, could just be him.

Artemis isn't in the codex, the model shows up in quite a few of the preview images that got posted last week.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Kijamon wrote:
Not got a lot of info on the packages but it's definitely a razorback with upgrade sprue.

They are limited releases though so maybe it's not a big deal to give the sprue away if it drives up sales on the other stuff?

Thanks for this. So it's a splash release.

I'm surprised they are releasing the Watch-Captain blister(Artemis from the box) this quickly though. Unless they mislabeled the Watch Master with the halberd?

Do we know for sure that it is Artemis? Could be a different model. Heck, the SM Commander kit came with a DW pad, could just be him.

Artemis isn't in the codex, the model shows up in quite a few of the preview images that got posted last week.

Yeah, but they had a similar thing happen with Krom and Karlaen. Not saying it ISN'T Artemis, just that it doesn't necessarily need to be him.

Haven't seen this posted here yet...

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Kijamon wrote:
Not got a lot of info on the packages but it's definitely a razorback with upgrade sprue.

They are limited releases though so maybe it's not a big deal to give the sprue away if it drives up sales on the other stuff?

Thanks for this. So it's a splash release.

I'm surprised they are releasing the Watch-Captain blister(Artemis from the box) this quickly though. Unless they mislabeled the Watch Master with the halberd?

Do we know for sure that it is Artemis? Could be a different model. Heck, the SM Commander kit came with a DW pad, could just be him.

Artemis isn't in the codex, the model shows up in quite a few of the preview images that got posted last week.

Yeah, but they had a similar thing happen with Krom and Karlaen. Not saying it ISN'T Artemis, just that it doesn't necessarily need to be him.

Karlaen is sold as a generic but Krom isn't.

Reminds me a little of the aliens dropship.

Thanks Gaz. That's a dropship.

The Harlequin's voidweaver has a BS of 5 (so +10pts for +1 BS).

And the named troupe master from the Dusk's troupe (the one that can run and charge) has the stats of a normal player, with an additional wound (so -1 WS, A, I, and Ld compared to a normal troupe master). The other named guy has normal stats. I think it's a really weird move, and one more thing to remember when playing...

Oh feth me, that just keeps looking better.

My only hope is that those white-ish panels are litanies of something and not skull panels. Or just grates. That's be great.