[40k] Death Masque Starter/Boxed Set & Deathwatch Codex - Pics, luchiban's info, NEW pics in OP

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**Thraxas Of Turai**

They are certainly taller, here is a pic Crimson:

Vanguard Vet/ Betrayal At Calth Marine and Deathwatch Kill Team member:

And a blurry one, but you get the idea:

**sockwithaticket**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
Is it just me, or are the proportions different on the Deathwatch marines from other ones?

I've been assembling the ones from from Death Masque, and the legs come up to mid chest on a calth marine, while the hips are out a lot wider (implying either very narrow waists or painful things happening to their hips) and the heads are more narrow and tall (partially to fit in the mk VIII armor necks, but makes it feel odd compared to traditional marine proportions.

The legs alone I can see being the basis of a lot of Truescale conversions.

They're actually standing up straight(ish) rather than squatting/leaning forward like 90% of marines, though, arent they?

**Crimson**

Whoa! That's quite a difference.

**angelofvengeance**

I think the main difference here is, they're not all in the squatting pose that you usually see with space marine models. Which is certainly a welcome change in my opinion

Also- good god! Those thunder hammers are massive lol.

**Wachaza**

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Again I get worried about the "Our artists are only allowed to paint the things we sell!" issue, as there's a guy with a Stalker-Pattern bolter here, and guess what? He is reloading, just like the mini would be.

A lot of the Wulfen art is the minis from the plastic set drawn and coloured in. You could almost recreate the art with miniatures if you assembled the parts correctly.

**H.B.M.C.**

That's not a good thing.

Anyway, this isn't anything new, but it is a good, clear and large photo of the DW sprue:

**General Kroll**

I like the look of the back torso bit with the cape....conversions ahoy!

**Thraxas Of Turai**

I may have missed it but Index Astartes: Apocrypha is available again, in the UK at least. Now in softback form:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Apocrypha-ENG

**Selym**

I got me the DW codex. Good art, interesting unit upgrades. Fairly small army.

Any questions?

**axisofentropy**

Sprue looks great. What's that bit that looks like a heavy bolter and flamer?

**Sgt_Smudge**

axisofentropy wrote:
Sprue looks great. What's that bit that looks like a heavy bolter and flamer?

That's exactly what it is - Deathwatch get access to a heavy bolter with a heavy flamer underslung on it.

**Wolfblade**

Sgt_Smudge wrote:
axisofentropy wrote:
Sprue looks great. What's that bit that looks like a heavy bolter and flamer?

That's exactly what it is - Deathwatch get access to a heavy bolter with a heavy flamer underslung on it.

with no use limit on either and the HB being assault 3 not heavy 3.

**Selym**

Sgt_Smudge wrote:
axisofentropy wrote:
Sprue looks great. What's that bit that looks like a heavy bolter and flamer?

That's exactly what it is - Deathwatch get access to a heavy bolter with a heavy flamer underslung on it.

The HB is assault 3.

EDIT: Ninja'd

**Ian Sturrock**

Does anyone with the codex know what the rationale is for that heavy bolter - heavy flamer gun? Is the idea that it uses suspensor technology, or something? I don't see how, fluff-wise, it is supposed to be handier and more maneuverable to use than a regular heavy bolter, given that it should weigh twice as much and be twice as bulky!

**Mr Morden**

Ian Sturrock wrote:
Does anyone with the codex know what the rationale is for that heavy bolter - heavy flamer gun? Is the idea that it uses suspensor technology, or something? I don't see how, fluff-wise, it is supposed to be handier and more maneuverable to use than a regular heavy bolter, given that it should weigh twice as much and be twice as bulky!

They used to haev lots of access to suspensors which would make this work.

**Mr_Rose**

It says right in the weapon description that they use suspensors to make it seem lighter if not less bulky.

**Ian Sturrock**

Cool, yeah -- that's what I was asking.

I don't have the codex yet.

Reminds me of Space Crusade. Being able to give your heavy weapon dudes suspensors meant Movement 6 rather than 4. Real life-saver!

**Million**

Slightly off topic, but now that gw are selling the kill team from overkill separately, do people reckon that they'll start doing the same with the genestealer cult?

**SickSix**

Damn so only two shotguns.. And they are two handed.

**Kirasu**

Yup, only deathwatch and their ancient technology has mastered "shoulder straps".. er suspensors

**Selym**

Kirasu wrote:
Yup, only deathwatch and their ancient technology has mastered "shoulder straps".. er suspensors

#Grimdank

**BaronVonSnakPak**

Selym wrote:
I got me the DW codex. Good art, interesting unit upgrades. Fairly small army.

Any questions?

What weapons can the Black Shield equip?

**Wolfblade**

Anything but special issue item/relic or a xenophase blade. RAW however may prevent him from getting heavy weapons, or heavy thunder hammer as those specify veterans/sgts, and going by FAQs preventing apoths from getting special upgrades in SM command squads.

**Ambience 327**

Million wrote:
Slightly off topic, but now that gw are selling the kill team from overkill separately, do people reckon that they'll start doing the same with the genestealer cult?

If the rumors of a Genestealer Cult Codex are true (which seems likely), I can see them selling the Genestealer Cult sprues separately. In fact, I expect them to sell them in two different boxes, since the Cult leaders and stuff (Patriarch, Magus, Primus, familiars) are on one sprue, while the Hybrids, Purestrains and Abberrants are on another, larger, sprue.

**Selym**

BaronVonSnakPak wrote:
Selym wrote:
I got me the DW codex. Good art, interesting unit upgrades. Fairly small army.

Any questions?

What weapons can the Black Shield equip?

Only items from the Melee, Ranged and Special Weapons list. So that includes Combi-Weapons, the pistols, C:SM equivalent special weapons, the shotgun, the Stalker Bolter and your standard power weapons list. Cannot take the Heavy Thunder Hammer or any heavy weapons.

Annoying really, as I would have loved a Black Shield with HTH, as he gets double attacks in certain situations.

Btw, I'm using MANZ as my Terminators here

**tetrisphreak**

Selym wrote:
BaronVonSnakPak wrote:
Selym wrote:
I got me the DW codex. Good art, interesting unit upgrades. Fairly small army.

Any questions?

What weapons can the Black Shield equip?
Only items from the Melee, Ranged and Special Weapons list. So that includes Combi-Weapons, the pistols, C:SM equivalent special weapons, the shotgun, the Stalker Bolter and your standard power weapons list. Cannot take the Heavy Thunder Hammer or any heavy weapons.

Annoying really, as I would have loved a Black Shield with HTH, as he gets double attacks in certain situations.

Btw, I'm using MANZ as my Terminators here

Why can't he? The order of the datasheet says any veteran can replace his weapons with an HTH, the next says any can be upgraded to a black shield. The black shield doesn't trade weapons for the upgrade like say character models do for terminator armor.

**meh_**

Selym wrote:
BaronVonSnakPak wrote:
Selym wrote:
I got me the DW codex. Good art, interesting unit upgrades. Fairly small army.

Any questions?

What weapons can the Black Shield equip?
Only items from the Melee, Ranged and Special Weapons list. So that includes Combi-Weapons, the pistols, C:SM equivalent special weapons, the shotgun, the Stalker Bolter and your standard power weapons list. Cannot take the Heavy Thunder Hammer or any heavy weapons.

Annoying really, as I would have loved a Black Shield with HTH, as he gets double attacks in certain situations.

Btw, I'm using MANZ as my Terminators here

What the hell are you talking? Its:

- Any veteran may replace his weapons with a HTH
- May upgrade one Veteran to a Black Shield

What's preventing him from taking HTH?

**H.B.M.C.**

Does he stop being a Veteran when he becomes a Black Shield?

**Ahtman**

Is there a thread for swapping the sprues already or should one be started perhaps? I know I have no interest in the Eldar (filthy xenos!) but there are probably some players who are.

**tetrisphreak**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Does he stop being a Veteran when he becomes a Black Shield?

To that point his stat line does change, but to infer that upgrading him removes his heavy thunder hammer would also infer that he loses his bolter and ccw as well as any other wargear you would give a black shield to be anything but a t4 wound.