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 tetrisphreak wrote:
Think anyone would protest using the scoped bolters as stalker patterns and unscoped as standard kit?

I would say no, but so damn many botlers have optics. I am looking at clipping barrels then adding a longer one.

I feel like this army would pair well with a culexus assassin. Finally a reason to paint mine up.

meh_ wrote:

 Selym wrote:

BaronVonSnakPak wrote:

 Selym wrote:
I got me the DW codex. Good art, interesting unit upgrades. Fairly small army.

Any questions?

What weapons can the Black Shield equip?

Only items from the Melee, Ranged and Special Weapons list. So that includes Combi-Weapons, the pistols, C:SM equivalent special weapons, the shotgun, the Stalker Bolter and your standard power weapons list. Cannot take the Heavy Thunder Hammer or any heavy weapons.

Annoying really, as I would have loved a Black Shield with HTH, as he gets double attacks in certain situations.

Btw, I'm using MANZ as my Terminators here

What the hell are you talking? Its:

- Any veteran may replace his weapons with a HTH
- May upgrade one Veteran to a Black Shield

What's preventing him from taking HTH?

The part where a Black Shield is listed separately from veterans. As seen in the unit composition statline,
Further, there are multiple wargear selection specifications; "Any Model" for stormshields and list items, "The Watch Sergeant" for WS items and "Up to 4/Any Veteran" for everything else. This indicates that Black Shield =/= Veteran.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Does he stop being a Veteran when he becomes a Black Shield?

He gets Ws5 and a new model name.

He doesn't lose the standard wargear, unless you want to rule that the Sergeant does, too. Given that there is only one "Wargear" list for the whole unit, rather than splitting it up for vets, sergeants and BS..

The fact that we're even having this conversation proves just how poorly written (from a technical writing standpoint) this book is.

 Million wrote:
Slightly off topic, but now that gw are selling the kill team from overkill separately, do people reckon that they'll start doing the same with the genestealer cult?

The rumor was both DW and Genestealers would get a codex after their game.

(and that those books would be obsolete in 2017 when 8th edition rolled out )

With any luck, I'll be able to convince some people to stay in 7E. No way in hell am I buying 8E.

 Selym wrote:

BaronVonSnakPak wrote:

 Selym wrote:
I got me the DW codex. Good art, interesting unit upgrades. Fairly small army.

Any questions?

What weapons can the Black Shield equip?

Only items from the Melee, Ranged and Special Weapons list. So that includes Combi-Weapons, the pistols, C:SM equivalent special weapons, the shotgun, the Stalker Bolter and your standard power weapons list. Cannot take the Heavy Thunder Hammer or any heavy weapons.

Annoying really, as I would have loved a Black Shield with HTH, as he gets double attacks in certain situations.

Btw, I'm using MANZ as my Terminators here

In that case I may end up running him with thunder hammer and storm shield.

Question. Do deathwatch still get a nonflamer heavy bolter? stormbolters on terminator armor get special ammo? and the teleport trickery can even PA Marines do it?

Storm Bolters don't get special ammo, everyone in the DW Decurion can deepstrike, but only in the Decurion formation, and you can take normal Heavy Bolters. They can also take hellfire shells for any HB.

Also the deathwatch homing beacon that characters can take as an upgrade work for terminators as well as any deathwatch deep striking via the sudden onslaught rule.

What's the cost difference between the Heavy 3 HB and the HF / Assault 3 HB?

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
What's the cost difference between the Heavy 3 HB and the HF / Assault 3 HB?

Normal HB is 10ppm (Hellfire is +5). Infernus HB (Assault 3 and optional HF shot) is 20ppm (Hellfire for +5).

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
What's the cost difference between the Heavy 3 HB and the HF / Assault 3 HB?

Heavy 3 is 10, assault 3 is 20

BaronVonSnakPak wrote:

 Selym wrote:

BaronVonSnakPak wrote:

 Selym wrote:
I got me the DW codex. Good art, interesting unit upgrades. Fairly small army.

Any questions?

What weapons can the Black Shield equip?

Only items from the Melee, Ranged and Special Weapons list. So that includes Combi-Weapons, the pistols, C:SM equivalent special weapons, the shotgun, the Stalker Bolter and your standard power weapons list. Cannot take the Heavy Thunder Hammer or any heavy weapons.

Annoying really, as I would have loved a Black Shield with HTH, as he gets double attacks in certain situations.

Btw, I'm using MANZ as my Terminators here

In that case I may end up running him with thunder hammer and storm shield.

I think that will be his optimum setup. Assuming you consider a 1 wound toughness 4 model that costs 77 points is worth it of course.

The precedent set by the apothecary in the SM codex, combined with the wording of "any mode" versus "veteran", pretty much puts the nail in the coffin for Blackshield and HTH.

It does feel like they are dialing back the power creep, especially compared to the recent Wulfens.

The normal hb assault or heavy? do you only get assault on ihb? hellfire shells still heavy as well?

 Selym wrote:
Storm Bolters don't get special ammo...

I wonder why?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Selym wrote:
Storm Bolters don't get special ammo...

I wonder why?

To sell more assault cannons and heavy flamers for terminators. As why a smg that is hopper fed would have a hard time switching between 4 ammo types. That being said the option to use 2 types of special ammo or make it only fire one kind preselected would fix the logic part.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Selym wrote:
Storm Bolters don't get special ammo...

I wonder why?

Definitely for financial reasons.

And I'm not being a GW hater, just stating an observation from trends.

I love 40k in general.

Storm shotguns for the next codex!

meh_ wrote:

What the hell are you talking? Its:

- Any veteran may replace his weapons with a HTH
- May upgrade one Veteran to a Black Shield

What's preventing him from taking HTH?

That's how people thought apotecharies work didn't they?

meh_ wrote:

 Selym wrote:

BaronVonSnakPak wrote:

 Selym wrote:
I got me the DW codex. Good art, interesting unit upgrades. Fairly small army.

Any questions?

What weapons can the Black Shield equip?

Only items from the Melee, Ranged and Special Weapons list. So that includes Combi-Weapons, the pistols, C:SM equivalent special weapons, the shotgun, the Stalker Bolter and your standard power weapons list. Cannot take the Heavy Thunder Hammer or any heavy weapons.

Annoying really, as I would have loved a Black Shield with HTH, as he gets double attacks in certain situations.

Btw, I'm using MANZ as my Terminators here

What the hell are you talking? Its:

- Any veteran may replace his weapons with a HTH
- May upgrade one Veteran to a Black Shield

What's preventing him from taking HTH?

However, it's in the same vein as an apothecary for SM, as they can't take wargear that other vets can.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Weird little tidbit, I am also the third child in my family. Perhaps the universe is trying to tell me something.

There is 2 more of you? You are a third of triplets?

Is the guardian spear on the second sprue or is that character model a clampack we haven't seen yet? Unfortunately made the mistake of pre ordering from gw so got to wait til Monday to see the sprues.

Promethius wrote:
Is the guardian spear on the second sprue or is that character model a clampack we haven't seen yet? Unfortunately made the mistake of pre ordering from gw so got to wait til Monday to see the sprues.

Unreleased, probably clampack.

Promethius wrote:
Is the guardian spear on the second sprue or is that character model a clampack we haven't seen yet? Unfortunately made the mistake of pre ordering from gw so got to wait til Monday to see the sprues.

character model we haven't seen yet.

Promethius wrote:
Is the guardian spear on the second sprue or is that character model a clampack we haven't seen yet? Unfortunately made the mistake of pre ordering from gw so got to wait til Monday to see the sprues.

They still haven't released pics(of him as his own pack) or prices for the Watch Master, nor the Blackstar. I hope these go up next Saturday. I can't wait.

 conker249 wrote:

Promethius wrote:
Is the guardian spear on the second sprue or is that character model a clampack we haven't seen yet? Unfortunately made the mistake of pre ordering from gw so got to wait til Monday to see the sprues.

They still haven't released pics or prices for the Watch Master, nor the Blackstar. I hope these go up next Saturday. I can't wait.

Along with the ability to buy sprus of Stalker pattern boltguns, frag cannons, and left arms not holding power swords!

(dreaming I know)

Struggling with my memory here, but did drop pods always have locator beacons? Because that seems awesome in an army loaded with deep strikers.

 Jadenim wrote:
Struggling with my memory here, but did drop pods always have locator beacons? Because that seems awesome in an army loaded with deep strikers.

They've always had the option for them.

 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Think anyone would protest using the scoped bolters as stalker patterns and unscoped as standard kit?

I would say no, but so damn many botlers have optics. I am looking at clipping barrels then adding a longer one.

So lomg as you're consistent and only your 'Stalkers' have scopes you'll be fine.