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Promethius wrote:
Is the guardian spear on the second sprue or is that character model a clampack we haven't seen yet? Unfortunately made the mistake of pre ordering from gw so got to wait til Monday to see the sprues.

We still have at least one more week of Deathwatch releases. Next week will probably be the Watch Commander, Deathwatch Veterans, Deathwatch Terminators, and Corvus Blackstar.

Deathwatch Terminator Captain is $25 USD. That is cheaper than any other SM Clampack!

In regards to the swapping of equipment I always go with the interpretation that if there is no stated order of operations then you can do which ever.

If it does not say that you have to upgrade to a blackshield first then you can swap to a thunderhammer and then change to a black shield.

Then for things like terminators where you are required to swap specific gear if you do weapon swaps before hand then you no longer meet the requirements.

So on and so forth.

 Leth wrote:
In regards to the swapping of equipment I always go with the interpretation that if there is no stated order of operations then you can do which ever.

If it does not say that you have to upgrade to a blackshield first then you can swap to a thunderhammer and then change to a black shield.

Then for things like terminators where you are required to swap specific gear if you do weapon swaps before hand then you no longer meet the requirements.

So on and so forth.

That's how I thought it was.

The SM FAQ says that we can't do that though.

Now that I've had a good read of the codex I'm not sure it's going to cut it as a stand alone 40K army.

Any idea as to whether we'll see the Deathwatch upgrade sprue as its own standalone kit? I'd love to see it for sale, although to be honest it's looking like they're tacking on $5-7 to the price of existing kits to include the upgrade. The Terminator Captain is technically cheaper, although who knows since they've never sold him on his own before.

 Scott-S6 wrote:
Now that I've had a good read of the codex I'm not sure it's going to cut it as a stand alone 40K army.

Much like the Harlequins, Militarum Tempestus, Imperial knights and the two Mechanicus books I think the DW are intended primarily as an allied force.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Scott-S6 wrote:
Now that I've had a good read of the codex I'm not sure it's going to cut it as a stand alone 40K army.

Much like the Harlequins, Militarum Tempestus, Imperial knights and the two Mechanicus books I think the DW are intended primarily as an allied force.

DW Have vastly more units than the armies you just mentioned.

They would be horribly expensive as allies, however I believe they can content well on their own.

Time will tell.

I'm attempting to construct a Kill Team to use as a primary detachment, to get around some troop shenanigans my Templars struggle with.

One unit is coming in at 400-500 points. I could go much higher.

My main kill team is 500pts, Selym. I feel you.

4x Veterans with Missile Launchers, one with a Shotgun
4x Terminators, all CMS
1 Librarian, rolling on Divination

It's beautiful and I love it.

Cephalobeard wrote:
My main kill team is 500pts, Selym. I feel you.

4x Veterans with Missile Launchers, one with a Shotgun
4x Terminators, all CMS
1 Librarian, rolling on Divination

It's beautiful and I love it.

Aquila kill team, I imagine yes? I'd recommend giving the librarian the tome of ectoclades and rolling Geomancy or librarius.

 EnTyme wrote:

Promethius wrote:
Is the guardian spear on the second sprue or is that character model a clampack we haven't seen yet? Unfortunately made the mistake of pre ordering from gw so got to wait til Monday to see the sprues.

We still have at least one more week of Deathwatch releases. Next week will probably be the Watch Commander, Deathwatch Veterans, Deathwatch Terminators, and Corvus Blackstar.

and repackaged drop pod with DW sprue....

 Lord Corellia wrote:
Any idea as to whether we'll see the Deathwatch upgrade sprue as its own standalone kit? I'd love to see it for sale, although to be honest it's looking like they're tacking on $5-7 to the price of existing kits to include the upgrade. The Terminator Captain is technically cheaper, although who knows since they've never sold him on his own before.

not my ebay auction, but they are already there! $7.75 each & $8.41 postage.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Warhammer-40K-Death-Masque-Deathwatch-Upgrade-Sprue-/302041337895?hash=item4653111027:g:3UIAAOSwV0RXr0zy

Wow, that was fast lol.

I foresee 54mm Inquisitor Scale returning in the near future.

I'd like to see Covenant return in 40k 28mm scale though.... All those oldies a matter of fact.

 Selym wrote:
With any luck, I'll be able to convince some people to stay in 7E. No way in hell am I buying 8E.

But don't you want Primarchs an' Daemon Primarchs an' bigger Knights an' more biggerer Knights an' more biggerer tanks an' more biggerer planes an' awesum-kewl *guitar-solo* fluff 'bout 'splosions an' big damn heroes an' loadsa' planets blowin' up?!?!!!!111one



I think I'll just ignore GW's fluff going forward as well as their rules and treat them as a sometimes-good source of models.

So, it seems that in the Corvis entry they state that DFTS rules are entirely optional.

Pretty cool.

I like the DFTS stuff anyway, but at least this is evidence to it being given a choice.

Cephalobeard wrote:
My main kill team is 500pts, Selym. I feel you.

4x Veterans with Missile Launchers, one with a Shotgun
4x Terminators, all CMS
1 Librarian, rolling on Divination

It's beautiful and I love it.

Mine is in beta testing - I'm trying to fit in representations of a couple of friends, and add in an Ork...

Current iteration looks like this:

Aquila Kill-Team [422 pts]

Librarian w/Terminator Armour, ML2, Force Axe [115 pts]

Veterans [242 pts]
-Watch Sergeant w/Combi-Melta, Storm Shield
-Veteran w/Deathwatch Frag Cannon
-Veteran
-Veteran
-Veteran
-Veteran w/Heavy Thunder Hammer
-Drop Pod

Terminator w/Assault Cannon, Chainfist [65 pts]

It's an aesthetic nightmare. At least it will do what I need it to, and all fits in one drop pod.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

Cephalobeard wrote:
My main kill team is 500pts, Selym. I feel you.

4x Veterans with Missile Launchers, one with a Shotgun
4x Terminators, all CMS
1 Librarian, rolling on Divination

It's beautiful and I love it.

Aquila kill team, I imagine yes? I'd recommend giving the librarian the tome of ectoclades and rolling Geomancy or librarius.

Correct. Divination is for Ignore cover fishing or for Prescience to reroll ALL misses, beyond 1s. However, Geomancy or librarius could be great. Lots of choices on them.

Any word if Eldrad's plan worked?

Was going to say, is there a novel that ties into this a la DW:Overkill?

Cataphract wrote:
Any word if Eldrad's plan worked?

According to someone who posted a summary elsewhere no. Although apparently the plan is insane anyway.

pm713 wrote:

Cataphract wrote:
Any word if Eldrad's plan worked?

According to someone who posted a summary elsewhere no. Although apparently the plan is insane anyway.

It's kind of left open ended. If not for Brother Nihilus' plasma cannon distracting him at the last moment Eldrad would surely have succeeded. As is, something did happen but it's not spelled out exactly what.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

pm713 wrote:

Cataphract wrote:
Any word if Eldrad's plan worked?

According to someone who posted a summary elsewhere no. Although apparently the plan is insane anyway.

It's kind of left open ended. If not for Brother Nihilus' plasma cannon distracting him at the last moment Eldrad would surely have succeeded. As is, something did happen but it's not spelled out exactly what.

I hope the moronic excuse for a plan GW wrote doesn't happen. It made no sense and the writer clearly either hates Eldar or doesn't understand a thing about them.

A mini Ynnead (maybe model sized? )

 tetrisphreak wrote:

pm713 wrote:

Cataphract wrote:
Any word if Eldrad's plan worked?

According to someone who posted a summary elsewhere no. Although apparently the plan is insane anyway.

It's kind of left open ended. If not for Brother Nihilus' plasma cannon distracting him at the last moment Eldrad would surely have succeeded. As is, something did happen but it's not spelled out exactly what.

Lol, that's a perfectly reasonable thing to be distracted by! Nothing like superheated plasma to interrupt your train of thought

 Bulldogging wrote:

 Leth wrote:
In regards to the swapping of equipment I always go with the interpretation that if there is no stated order of operations then you can do which ever.

If it does not say that you have to upgrade to a blackshield first then you can swap to a thunderhammer and then change to a black shield.

Then for things like terminators where you are required to swap specific gear if you do weapon swaps before hand then you no longer meet the requirements.

So on and so forth.

That's how I thought it was.

The SM FAQ says that we can't do that though.

What do you mean? It specifically says the opposite. You can buy stuff then upgrade.

Dibs on Black Shield with HTH!


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Are both shields left-handed?

 Selym wrote:
Dibs on Black Shield with HTH!

I already modeled 2


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 Selym wrote:
Dibs on Black Shield with HTH!


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Are both shields left-handed?

One left one right. But the HTH takes both hands so no storm shield

I think it makes sense for a black shield to be able to take whatever equipment the other veterans can, fluff wise I see it as a marine that's out to redeem himself for his past failings whatever they might be, which is why he doubles his efforts (attacks) when the odds are against his squad, doesn't make him any less of a veteran than anyone else in his squad. Would be nice to see a few hints towards chapters such as a space wolf lone wolf who's out to redeem himself because all of his pack mates were killed and he feels like he failed them, no chapter markings but maybe a wolf tooth talisman and space wolf head hinting that way.