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The price of the Terminator Captain must be particularly galling for those, and there were plenty of them, that paid £50 odd on ebay when it was less freely available. All that mark up and lacking the Deathwatch upgrade sprue. Personally around £12-15 is my maximum on single character clam packs, but I can understand how that is too much for a lot of people.

As others have suggested the true test on the pricing is the RRP of the Kill Team boxed set. That said, overall I am loving this release.

Bugger ebay, I feel bad for anyone that bought that big strike force box because they really wanted that exclusive captain. Although I also feel jealous because to buy that for that you'd have to live in some sort of dwarven hold and floss with ten pound notes

On the subject of plastic characters - I bought a BA terminator Librarian to add to my Deathwatch on saturday. Beautiful model, no failcast issues, and it just feels right.

Paid £18, no regrets.

Is that Iyanna Arienal in the bottom left corner? Looks like a conversion of the spiritseer though, just a head swap.

 n0t_u wrote:
Is that Iyanna Arienal in the bottom left corner? Looks like a conversion of the spiritseer though, just a head swap.

Spoiler:

It could be or it could be spiritseer/high elf head conversion, although I can't recognise the head. There's not that big difference between new Eldrad and geneirc farseer. I hope it's a new model, even if it'd turn out to be rather plain.

 n0t_u wrote:
Is that Iyanna Arienal in the bottom left corner? Looks like a conversion of the spiritseer though, just a head swap.

Spoiler:

It would be cool if the would sneak hints at new stuff in like that. Perhaps they will re-release Iyanden. Who knows. Probably nothing though.

 n0t_u wrote:
Is that Iyanna Arienal in the bottom left corner? Looks like a conversion of the spiritseer though, just a head swap.

Spoiler:

It looks like the current spiritseer with a head swap

 jah-joshua wrote:
can't say i've ever felt ripped-off by any of the plastic clampack characters...

Goody for you [Rule #1 - Alpharius]. You can join the likes Talys in the "Don't care, got mine!" club for people who don't understand why AUD$115 for these mother fethers is a massive rip.


But why don't we get back on the topic of the Deathwatch hey?

I have managed to end up with 6 sets of DW Vets (all at a significant discount), and also managed to find someone selling the Overkill Imperial Fist w/Frag Cannon on eBay, locally no less, giving me 8 Frag Cannons total (I have a thing with odd numbers, and buying a 7th box of Vets would have given me 8 Frag Cannons, but 7 Infernus Heavy Bolters, and we just can't have that now can we? ). I'm happy that the Overkill Imperial Fist's Chapter Pad is separate, but he does have a fist on his chest... I guess I'll make him a Sons of Dorn Marine. I do have a pad for that, believe it or not.

 n0t_u wrote:
Is that Iyanna Arienal in the bottom left corner? Looks like a conversion of the spiritseer though, just a head swap.

Spoiler:

It was a conversion done for the Iyanden supplement. You can see it near the bottom right of this pic from that book:

I'm still salty about them having the power swords attached to the left arms. I don't get it. It goes against their new standard of arms/hands.

Hopefully we will get some flyer(for sale) leaks for this upcoming weekend.

 Bulldogging wrote:
I'm still salty about them having the power swords attached to the left arms. I don't get it. It goes against their new standard of arms/hands.

I'm actually ok that all the bolters are one-handed. I have a lot of Deathwatch Marines, and the constant struggle has always been giving them one-handed bolters. So many of mine have converted arms from the old 2nd Ed multi-part plastic Marines, as they're one of the few kits with arms that weren't designed to hold the bolter across the chest. Even then I've been converting assault Marine arms and all sorts of things.

And then along comes this box, where all the bolter arms are one-handed! It's like the read my mind... several years too late!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Bulldogging wrote:
I'm still salty about them having the power swords attached to the left arms. I don't get it. It goes against their new standard of arms/hands.

I'm actually ok that all the bolters are one-handed. I have a lot of Deathwatch Marines, and the constant struggle has always been giving them one-handed bolters. So many of mine have converted arms from the old 2nd Ed multi-part plastic Marines, as they're one of the few kits with arms that weren't designed to hold the bolter across the chest. Even then I've been converting assault Marine arms and all sorts of things.

And then along comes this box, where all the bolter arms are one-handed! It's like the read my mind... several years too late!

Oh I like the 1 handed bolters! I just wish they had empty left hands+hands like the 3 hands in the newer Tact box. Luckily I have a bunch of those sitting around.

On a related note, does anyone know if the new version of White Dwarf will still do rules? I'm hoping it will a have a formation(better) for Deathwatch.

Hmmm. My box has not shipped yet and I can't view my Order History on GW's site. I was hoping it would reach me by the middle of the week since I will be out of town this weekend and all of next week. I was hoping to get to work on selling the Harlequins section of the box.

Checking eBay, additional Veterans kits average about $45 USD with shipping. I may need to order a pair of those. I am really waiting on the Corvus ship since that is the last bit I need for my DW force.

BTW, anyone interested in the Harlequins, I will sell them for $75+shipping or best offer.

The biker kit is essentially the older biker kit, but 5 models instead of 3. $12 US per biker as opposed to $15 per in the old 3 man kit - so a savings plus the DW shoulderpad sprue. I may pick one of those up, just to have some bikers to sprinkle into my DW KTs, and a Corvus Blackstar (which i expect to be $75 US or more... ugh) then i should have just about everything i need (for now).

Edit - and if there's a new terminator kit I may pick it up as well for the meltafist bits, and the characterful sculpts. If you look in the codex, all the terminators in the group shots are new sculpts (and Branatar).

QUICK REMINDER:

RULE #1 is BE POLITE.

RULE #2 is STAY ON TOPIC.

Thanks!

If they release a Deathwatch Terminator set, that will mean every single flavor of Space Marine (C:SM, CSM, DA, BA, SW, GK, and DW) will have their own exclusive Terminator kit. Is that not a little ridiculous? Especially since, for the most part, Terminators are AWFUL?

I hope we see prices on stuff pretty soon. The Corvus Dropship is a 100% purchase for me, but I still want to know what the damage will be. I wonder if we will see a Deathwatch Drop Pod kit that comes with an upgrade sprue. I can't say that I am too interested in the Watch Master kit. I don't like static pose Marines, I like dynamic poses. This guy looks dumb if he is just standing in combat like a goon. This is the same reason I hate the new Ulrik the Slayer kit too. At any rate, I will probably be in for two Veterans kits and the Corvus Dropship. Not the worst buy-in for an army. It sucks that I am really just after the Frag Cannons, but making a full army isn't too bad.

Watch master, Watch captain terminator armor, Corvus Blackstar, Those are the top of my to buy list when they get on pre-order status.

 conker249 wrote:
Watch master, Watch captain terminator armor, Corvus Blackstar, Those are the top of my to buy list when they get on pre-order status.

Captain in terminator armor is the same as the one in the start collecting marines box plus a deathwatch upgrade Sprue. So if you wanted to get it sooner you basically can.

I Think what I'm most looking forward to with deathwatch is making a really cool looking fluffy kill team, naming each of its members and giving them a killer backstory.

 General Kroll wrote:
I Think what I'm most looking forward to with deathwatch is making a really cool looking fluffy kill team, naming each of its members and giving them a killer backstory.

Waay ahead of ya: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/699480.page

 Selym wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:
I Think what I'm most looking forward to with deathwatch is making a really cool looking fluffy kill team, naming each of its members and giving them a killer backstory.

Waay ahead of ya: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/699480.page

Loved it!

 General Kroll wrote:
I Think what I'm most looking forward to with deathwatch is making a really cool looking fluffy kill team, naming each of its members and giving them a killer backstory.

I fully intend to do the same. Since the model counts are low, this shouldn't be too hard.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:
I Think what I'm most looking forward to with deathwatch is making a really cool looking fluffy kill team, naming each of its members and giving them a killer backstory.

I fully intend to do the same. Since the model counts are low, this shouldn't be too hard.

Parts of one of my Killteam have already been decided as far as Chapter and Back Story, years ago my friends and I played Deathwatch and Im gonna use our Killteam members (years later) as the new team, its Librarian and a Watch Captain. Our parties Ultramarine is gonna be the Captain, Raven Guard Watch Sergeant and a Storm Warden Librarian.

 Bull0 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
I think he is just using pretty basic techniques from behavioural economics. Both those kits seem like a 'bargain' because they are cheaper than the existing kits AND they come with a bonus Deathwatch sprue. So it's like you're getting the DW sprue for free! For *less than free*. And that sounds like a fantastic price. So we are all tempted to pay $25 for one plastic miniature.

...I know I am.

Well he's taking small steps but it's still ridiculous price of ONE miniature but as long as GW insists on plastic for characters characters will never be priced sensibly.

Except the modern plastic characters have all been brilliant (bar some missteps in the AOS range) and plastic is miles easier to work with than resin or metal so why shouldn't they?

Quality wise other materials will produce just as good or better. And plastic characters means more expensive. Other metal and price would be like half and GW would still get same profit.

Guess it works if you want to pay closer to 30$ than 10$ for same or worse quality...


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 General Kroll wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
I think he is just using pretty basic techniques from behavioural economics. Both those kits seem like a 'bargain' because they are cheaper than the existing kits AND they come with a bonus Deathwatch sprue. So it's like you're getting the DW sprue for free! For *less than free*. And that sounds like a fantastic price. So we are all tempted to pay $25 for one plastic miniature.

...I know I am.

Well he's taking small steps but it's still ridiculous price of ONE miniature but as long as GW insists on plastic for characters characters will never be priced sensibly.

Except the modern plastic characters have all been brilliant (bar some missteps in the AOS range) and plastic is miles easier to work with than resin or metal so why shouldn't they?

I have to agree, the plastic characters are great, and can be easily fount for 25% cheaper than GW sell them for. They are great for conversion work and so so so much easier to work with than both metal and resin.

And you couldn't find 25% cheaper if base model itself was cheaper? Weird idea.

"Okay we give you 25% discount but ONLY on these overpriced character models. These fair priced character models don't get 25% discount".

Last time I checked every store has same discount for every GW model. Therefore you get the 25% discount for non rip of character models as well. Ergo that's no defence.

One plastic model (since I started that tangent...) --

I think GW's plastics have fantastic detail, and standard model plastic is my favourite material to work with. It doesn't bend like Bones but is almost as durable, and it glues and stays glued very easily.

However, I'm used to paying maybe £4 to £6 for a single mini *at the high end*, from somewhere like Hasslefree that just plain makes better minis than GW. I've paid £10 or so for single characters from Mierce, who are also very much on the high end of quality. £15 for one human-sized mini from GW, or even £12, is just too much. For me, anyway. Even though I will likely buy one or both the free DW sprue ones, laughing at myself the whole while.

Back to your regularly scheduled frothing about Deathwing! Personally I think it's really cool that so many people are enthused about the narrative side. It's much easier to forge that narrative when the minis are so characterful, and when you only need a few of them for your army. I do foresee a lot of second-hand Grey Knights minis ending up on eBay soon though. Deathwatch being kind of similar but cooler.

Everyone here is talking about the DW marines.. I still can't get over the fact that I've just bought an entire full size Harlequin army for less than 95£ at Element Games. It's like I don't even care about them being weak when I paid literally less than 33% of retail price.

Got muh bawks. Invited a friend around to discuss his representation as a 28mm model.

tneva82 wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
I think he is just using pretty basic techniques from behavioural economics. Both those kits seem like a 'bargain' because they are cheaper than the existing kits AND they come with a bonus Deathwatch sprue. So it's like you're getting the DW sprue for free! For *less than free*. And that sounds like a fantastic price. So we are all tempted to pay $25 for one plastic miniature.

...I know I am.

Well he's taking small steps but it's still ridiculous price of ONE miniature but as long as GW insists on plastic for characters characters will never be priced sensibly.

Except the modern plastic characters have all been brilliant (bar some missteps in the AOS range) and plastic is miles easier to work with than resin or metal so why shouldn't they?

Quality wise other materials will produce just as good or better. And plastic characters means more expensive. Other metal and price would be like half and GW would still get same profit.

Guess it works if you want to pay closer to 30$ than 10$ for same or worse quality...


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 General Kroll wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
I think he is just using pretty basic techniques from behavioural economics. Both those kits seem like a 'bargain' because they are cheaper than the existing kits AND they come with a bonus Deathwatch sprue. So it's like you're getting the DW sprue for free! For *less than free*. And that sounds like a fantastic price. So we are all tempted to pay $25 for one plastic miniature.

...I know I am.

Well he's taking small steps but it's still ridiculous price of ONE miniature but as long as GW insists on plastic for characters characters will never be priced sensibly.

Except the modern plastic characters have all been brilliant (bar some missteps in the AOS range) and plastic is miles easier to work with than resin or metal so why shouldn't they?

I have to agree, the plastic characters are great, and can be easily fount for 25% cheaper than GW sell them for. They are great for conversion work and so so so much easier to work with than both metal and resin.

And you couldn't find 25% cheaper if base model itself was cheaper? Weird idea.

"Okay we give you 25% discount but ONLY on these overpriced character models. These fair priced character models don't get 25% discount".

Last time I checked every store has same discount for every GW model. Therefore you get the 25% discount for non rip of character models as well. Ergo that's no defence.

Last time you checked, did you see any third party retailers selling metal or resin GW products?

Either way, it's by the by really. You've got three people now telling you they prefer to work with plastic, that they think the detail is as good if not better than their resin and metal efforts, and that they don't find the price overly expensive.

If you find it over priced, that's fine. But as demonstrated, plenty of others find it just fine.

Zewrath wrote:Everyone here is talking about the DW marines.. I still can't get over the fact that I've just bought an entire full size Harlequin army for less than 95£ at Element Games. It's like I don't even care about them being weak when I paid literally less than 33% of retail price.

Yeah I'm really stoked about the Harlys. I'm looking forward to the challenge of painting them.

casvalremdeikun wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:
I Think what I'm most looking forward to with deathwatch is making a really cool looking fluffy kill team, naming each of its members and giving them a killer backstory.

I fully intend to do the same. Since the model counts are low, this shouldn't be too hard.

VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:
I Think what I'm most looking forward to with deathwatch is making a really cool looking fluffy kill team, naming each of its members and giving them a killer backstory.

I fully intend to do the same. Since the model counts are low, this shouldn't be too hard.

Parts of one of my Killteam have already been decided as far as Chapter and Back Story, years ago my friends and I played Deathwatch and Im gonna use our Killteam members (years later) as the new team, its Librarian and a Watch Captain. Our parties Ultramarine is gonna be the Captain, Raven Guard Watch Sergeant and a Storm Warden Librarian.

Yup, I think I'm going to pick some random chapters maybe some with conflicting ideals. I'm also looking forward to seeing what I can do with the black shields.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
If they release a Deathwatch Terminator set, that will mean every single flavor of Space Marine (C:SM, CSM, DA, BA, SW, GK, and DW) will have their own exclusive Terminator kit. Is that not a little ridiculous? Especially since, for the most part, Terminators are AWFUL?

I hope we see prices on stuff pretty soon. The Corvus Dropship is a 100% purchase for me, but I still want to know what the damage will be. I wonder if we will see a Deathwatch Drop Pod kit that comes with an upgrade sprue. I can't say that I am too interested in the Watch Master kit. I don't like static pose Marines, I like dynamic poses. This guy looks dumb if he is just standing in combat like a goon. This is the same reason I hate the new Ulrik the Slayer kit too. At any rate, I will probably be in for two Veterans kits and the Corvus Dropship. Not the worst buy-in for an army. It sucks that I am really just after the Frag Cannons, but making a full army isn't too bad.

Wow, I absolutely didn't know that BA got their own Terminator box. I was probably busy with school (and also don't pay much attention to BA, to be honest), so I completely missed that.

One of the pictures I liked the most from the first page of this thread is the one that has the three assault cannon terminators, all technically identical in terms of game function, but looking very different, being comprised of an Ultramarine (regular termie box), Deathwing, and Wolf Guard. It just really kind of cements the way Deathwatch is a mixture of many chapters. I've already got enough SM, Deathwing, and Wolf Guard terminators to do a similar unit (plus a converted Branatar with similar weapons), but now I also want to pick up a single BA termie to add to the mix. Off to the bits sellers.

And I agree on the Corvus Blackstar, so far all the pictures have got me pretty happy. Even if there's some glaring flaw that hasn't been pictured yet, there's more than enough good looking flyer there for me to happily buy them. Flaws, at this point, would likely be easily covered up or converted away.

I can't seem to find the post, but does anyone have a comprehensive list of what Chapters can be made from the different Chapter icons included in Deathwatch Veterans kit?