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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So the Aussie prices are up.

Kharn is more expensive than (in pricing order, and again not including Monstrous Creatures):

1. Blood Angel Chaplain
2. Blood Angel Terminator Librarian
3. Space Marine Command Squad (WTF?)
4. The combined set that has the plastic Marine Captain, Chaplain and Librarian in one bundle (WT-F'ing-F!!!)
5. The (also blatantly overpriced) Tech-Priest Enginseer
6. Big Mek w/Shokk Attack Gun
7. The Space Marine Captain box
8. Twice the price of the BA Termy Libby.
9. Over twice the price of every other HQ mini, from the Painboy through to Colonel 'Iron Hand' Straken.

The only command units more expensive are the Tech-Priest dude from the Ad Mech army (but you can get him in the Starterbox so who cares), the two-pack 30K heroes, the Crisis Commander... and that's it (exclusding Squad + HQ bundles).

I say again:

What.
The.
Feth.
GW?

I'm increasingly convinced GW is deliberately increasing the prices in your region to get you personaly to rage quit, in an attempt to silence your 40K posting.

Daedalus81 wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:

Still email in the brief note about concerns with pricing beyond way uneven between currencies.

It isn't as simple as plugging in the exchange rate. People have no idea how trade works and think that it's free trade everywhere. Then you have to worry about taxes and repatriating profits. Do people really think GW is overcharging for the fun of it?

To import a car to NZ from the UK as an example it's roughly 3000 pounds in duties and documentation. GW product will fall under luxury goods

So how come Forgeworld is sold for roughly the same price in the UK as in NZ and AUS? FW product fall under luxury goods as well.

What is more plausible?:
- GW does overcharge NZ and AUS simply because they think they can get away with it (otherwise put "for the fun of it")
- FW (and thus by extension GW) sell stuff to NZ/AUS at a loss because they would need to sell it at double the cost to cover taxes and duties

Someone on heresy 30k buy the fig on ebay.

Ooooh!

Now that is a very nice mini.

Saw this on his feed too.. New FW TS Libby?

It is the Arhiman, we can see his sprue on the first page.

The last is Just conversion...

I put together (through ebay searching) a bit bash Kharn that looks nearly identical to the new model for just $16.00

head bit $4
skull reaper complete single model with base $10
chaos chain axe $1
chaos plasma pistol $1

so looks like our formations are:

Chaos Warband
- Helbrute
- Chaos Space Marines Sorceror
- Chaos Bikers
- Havocs
- Warp Talons
- Raptors
- Possessed
- Terminator Lords Cadre
- 20 Chaos Space Marines.

Helforged Warpack
- Forgefiend
- Maulerfiend
- Helbrute
- Warpsmith.

Maelstrom of Gore
- Kharn
- 48 (6x8 or 3x16?) Berzerkers

Heldrake Terror Pack
- 2 Heldrakes

Raptor Talon
- Lord w/jetpack
- 5 Raptors
- 5 Warp Talons

Favoured of Chaos:
- Daemon Prince
- 15 Possessed

They all look bland as hell (especially the Warband, which I guess is our decurion), and they account for 6 of the 11 formations in Traitor's Hate, so not holding out much hope that the others are better. the Helforged Warpack is very similar to the BL Daemon Engine Pack formation, the Favoured of Chaos looks a lot like The Tormented and the Chaos Warband is basically a variation on Black Legion warband, so even calling these "New" is pushing it

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Saw this on his feed too.. New FW TS Libby?

No, that's a conversion he did.

Aww... that'd be a cool mini!

Charax wrote:
so looks like our formations are:

Maelstrom of Gore
- Kharn
- 48 (6x8 or 3x16?) Berzerkers

A picture from the book shows Kharn with 8 units of 8 Zerkers with 3 LoS, which doesn't help at all.

If they wanted the formation to be KDK compatible they would make it 6x8 since KDK Zerkers have to be taken in min squads of 8. 3x16 would be silly since metal bawkses would be null and void, unless they are getting Fleet and Move Through Cover like the OTHER Maelstron of Gore Apoc formation, which would also make Icons redundant (woo less points per squad). All I want is that one page with that one formation with that one little line, "May be taken with Khorne Deamonkin".

Charax wrote:
so looks like our formations are:

Chaos Warband
- Helbrute
- Chaos Space Marines Sorceror
- Chaos Bikers
- Havocs
- Warp Talons
- Raptors
- Possessed
- Terminator Lords Cadre
- 20 Chaos Space Marines.

Helforged Warpack
- Forgefiend
- Maulerfiend
- Helbrute
- Warpsmith.

Maelstrom of Gore
- Kharn
- 48 (6x8 or 3x16?) Berzerkers

Heldrake Terror Pack
- 2 Heldrakes

Raptor Talon
- Lord w/jetpack
- 5 Raptors
- 5 Warp Talons

Favoured of Chaos:
- Daemon Prince
- 15 Possessed

They all look bland as hell (especially the Warband, which I guess is our decurion), and they account for 6 of the 11 formations in Traitor's Hate, so not holding out much hope that the others are better. the Helforged Warpack is very similar to the BL Daemon Engine Pack formation, the Favoured of Chaos looks a lot like The Tormented and the Chaos Warband is basically a variation on Black Legion warband, so even calling these "New" is pushing it

It is lame how similar they are but there's not a lot of units in the codex.

Now for rules! Someone has to leak rules!

 Zywus wrote:


So how come Forgeworld is sold for roughly the same price in the UK as in NZ and AUS? FW product fall under luxury goods as well.

What is more plausible?:
- GW does overcharge NZ and AUS simply because they think they can get away with it (otherwise put "for the fun of it")
- FW (and thus by extension GW) sell stuff to NZ/AUS at a loss because they would need to sell it at double the cost to cover taxes and duties

For the same reason I buy FW in pounds. Because FW does not carry stock in the country. It is all shipped on demand from the UK to individuals.

GW has to ship and physically place product in stores and carries an inventory.

Charax wrote:
so looks like our formations are:

Chaos Warband
- Helbrute
- Chaos Space Marines Sorceror
- Chaos Bikers
- Havocs
- Warp Talons
- Raptors
- Possessed
- Terminator Lords Cadre
- 20 Chaos Space Marines.

Helforged Warpack
- Forgefiend
- Maulerfiend
- Helbrute
- Warpsmith.

Maelstrom of Gore
- Kharn
- 48 (6x8 or 3x16?) Berzerkers

Heldrake Terror Pack
- 2 Heldrakes

Raptor Talon
- Lord w/jetpack
- 5 Raptors
- 5 Warp Talons

Favoured of Chaos:
- Daemon Prince
- 15 Possessed

They all look bland as hell (especially the Warband, which I guess is our decurion), and they account for 6 of the 11 formations in Traitor's Hate, so not holding out much hope that the others are better. the Helforged Warpack is very similar to the BL Daemon Engine Pack formation, the Favoured of Chaos looks a lot like The Tormented and the Chaos Warband is basically a variation on Black Legion warband, so even calling these "New" is pushing it

Source? Or did someone just count the models in the pictures?

 Azreal13 wrote:

Bluebeard wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:

Still email in the brief note about concerns with pricing beyond way uneven between currencies.

It isn't as simple as plugging in the exchange rate. People have no idea how trade works and think that it's free trade everywhere. Then you have to worry about taxes and repatriating profits. Do people really think GW is overcharging for the fun of it?

To import a car to NZ from the UK as an example it's roughly 3000 pounds in duties and documentation. GW product will fall under luxury goods

Well said.

The import duty into New Zealand on toys (including scale models) is 5%.

The mark up over UK is almost 100%.

Unless they're flying them out in hand luggage, it's difficult to justify based on import costs.

Once again. Well said. Must point out that his argument is even less solid when you consider that GW already sells comparable product to Kharn at about half the price in NZ. But then, this is the internet. Youll always find a few persons trying to defend the indefensible

 gigasnail wrote:


Source? Or did someone just count the models in the pictures?

Counting models wouldn't give the formation names, would it?

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Warhammer-40-000?Nao=0&Nu=product.repositoryId&N=102296+4294965067&qty=12&sorting=rec&view=table&categoryId=cat440130a-flat

Maybe its because hes unpainted but i find arihman to be not as cool as i tought he would be based on the sprues.

Charax wrote:

 gigasnail wrote:


Source? Or did someone just count the models in the pictures?

Counting models wouldn't give the formation names, would it?

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Warhammer-40-000?Nao=0&Nu=product.repositoryId&N=102296+4294965067&qty=12&sorting=rec&view=table&categoryId=cat440130a-flat

I was hoping, because those formations look pretty bad.

The Raptor talon is wrong, it must be either 10 Raptors or 10 Warp Talons. It costs £78 which is 3 raptor boxes and the jump pack Lord.

Charax wrote:
so looks like our formations are:

Chaos Warband
- Helbrute
- Chaos Space Marines Sorceror
- Chaos Bikers
- Havocs
- Warp Talons
- Raptors
- Possessed
- Terminator Lords Cadre
- 20 Chaos Space Marines.

Helforged Warpack
- Forgefiend
- Maulerfiend
- Helbrute
- Warpsmith.

Maelstrom of Gore
- Kharn
- 48 (6x8 or 3x16?) Berzerkers

Heldrake Terror Pack
- 2 Heldrakes

Raptor Talon
- Lord w/jetpack
- 5 Raptors
- 5 Warp Talons

Favoured of Chaos:
- Daemon Prince
- 15 Possessed

They all look bland as hell (especially the Warband, which I guess is our decurion), and they account for 6 of the 11 formations in Traitor's Hate, so not holding out much hope that the others are better. the Helforged Warpack is very similar to the BL Daemon Engine Pack formation, the Favoured of Chaos looks a lot like The Tormented and the Chaos Warband is basically a variation on Black Legion warband, so even calling these "New" is pushing it

You're missing the knight. They are part of the traitor's hate formation bundles. So most likely just a single knight of any kind as a formation.
And then there is the triple lord of skull formation on the same page as the kharn formation. Doesn't mean that's it's really a formation, but it seems pretty likely to me.
Finally there are the predator/vindicator squadrons, which I could see them doing as formations. Like the pieplate loyalist one. If so, that's 10 formations.

I got the collectors edition anyway, because yay chaos and I like black legion.
Yet at the same time I'm fully expecting the formations to be subpar even when compared to the supplement ones we got. What with the random sprinkling of helbrutes and all. Least the supplement made some of those choices optional.

Hopefully its just a sampling of what you *can* take in the formation, not what you *must* take.

 gigasnail wrote:
Hopefully its just a sampling of what you *can* take in the formation, not what you *must* take.

Maybe. They have a terminator lord and a jump pack lord. Seems kinda weird to force that on people. I get it for the starter box formations, but here?
I can see myself using the BL supplement warband once in a while, but this one seems really bad. Warp Talons, possessed, helbrutes AND a terminator lord?...eeeh...yyeaa...no thanks.
Not to mention that the retinue plus lord doesn't fit into a land raider ^_-

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Zywus wrote:


So how come Forgeworld is sold for roughly the same price in the UK as in NZ and AUS? FW product fall under luxury goods as well.

What is more plausible?:
- GW does overcharge NZ and AUS simply because they think they can get away with it (otherwise put "for the fun of it")
- FW (and thus by extension GW) sell stuff to NZ/AUS at a loss because they would need to sell it at double the cost to cover taxes and duties

For the same reason I buy FW in pounds. Because FW does not carry stock in the country. It is all shipped on demand from the UK to individuals.

GW has to ship and physically place product in stores and carries an inventory.

Ok, so how come every other miniature company in the world can have their models sold in KZ/AUS for a price similar to what they sell them for in the UK?
PP, Mantic, Spartan etc...

If your answer is "those companies don't run their own stores" then the question is; If Mantic et al. would need to double their prices in order to keep stores in NZ/AUS, how can the local retailers survive by currently selling every kind of models (expept GW's) for a price comparable to what they're sold for in the UK?

For all the folk whining about khorne, if you actually read the blurb its crimson slaughter, black legion and word bearers. Khárn, lord of skulls and the khárn with 64 berzerkers are the only khorne things in the book. This just so happens to be when they release khárn

I just remembered Maelstrom of Gore was from Warzone Pandorax! Kharn/chaos Lord, 8 8-man zerker squads and you get Fleet, Move Through Cover and add 3" to charge moves

the bundle can't make 8-man squads, so maybe they've dropped that requirement and allowed it to be used in not-apoc games, but that still seems a little bad for "New" formations

Charax wrote:
I just remembered Maelstrom of Gore was from Warzone Pandorax! Kharn/chaos Lord, 8 8-man zerker squads and you get Fleet, Move Through Cover and add 3" to charge moves

the bundle can't make 8-man squads, so maybe they've dropped that requirement and allowed it to be used in not-apoc games, but that still seems a little bad for "New" formations

Yeah, this isn't the best for such a costly formation. But, movement buffs are in the right direction for things Bezerkers need to make them playable.

 Motograter wrote:
For all the folk whining about khorne, if you actually read the blurb its crimson slaughter, black legion and word bearers. Khárn, lord of skulls and the khárn with 64 berzerkers are the only khorne things in the book. This just so happens to be when they release khárn

None of the three mentioned are cult legions. Khorne was the only cult got a formation in the last iteration of Black Legion. Crimson Slaughter did have cult specific formations; though it did have a few relics. Oh and those Warhammer store specific formations for Khorne, and the White dwarf formations for Khorne. Kharn the reason Khorne got a formation here, well so what? Daemonkin got a codex because of the new Blood Thirster model, maybe. The point is GW over represents Khorne. Hell, I'd even say there's a very clear Khorne bias. There was anything stopping them releasing a different plastic character afterall.

Charax wrote:

Chaos Warband
- Helbrute
- Chaos Space Marines Sorceror
- Chaos Bikers
- Havocs
- Warp Talons
- Raptors
- Possessed
- Terminator Lords Cadre
- 20 Chaos Space Marines.

The description of the warband includes this bit:
>These cruel and selfish renegades compete with each other on the battlefield, each kill spurring the others on to match and exceed the violence on display in a feedback loop that only ends when every single enemy lies in ruin.
This new formation isn't new. It's just the same Black Legion warband we already have.

The psychic powers are also all but confirmed to just be reprints of the loyalist psychic powers based on the discipline names and descriptions on the pre-order page.

Who cares about the formations, when you have new (and potentially game breaking) psychic powers.