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That Bezerker formation is actually pretty good. +3 to charge and Fleet are the kind of bonuses Zerkers need. The Red Rain is pretty brutal too. Unfortunately, 4-8 units of Bezerkers is a bit of a heavy tax.

so what's new with kharn? he looks the same to me?

The Raptor Talon formation allows deep striking Warp Talons to charge out deep strike, that's huge for them.

These formations are pretty average-tier in terms of useability. That Decurion is pretty awful though, from my first glance. A free Chaos Boon each turn? Really? 400pts of free Rhinos is equal to a free Chaos Boon.. and it's not even Ob. Sec?

Edit: I guess the Chaos Warband core detatchment is Ob. sec.. so there is that.

At least, with the Raptor Talon, you can assault after deep striking

I like the Cultist and Daemon engine ones. The leadership debuffs available with the Drakes is cool. The Raptor/Warp Talon one is decent too.

Some of them are just too funny. The Obliterator one doubling and tripling down on the derpy can't use the same weapon rule is hilarious.

Roknar wrote:
so what's new with kharn? he looks the same to me?

Yeah, there are no changes to his stats. I was really hoping that there would be a way to use him in KDK. A lot of the formations really don't look that terrible. Not stellar. But some of them have pretty good benefits. Assault out of Deep Strike is good and Fleet+3" for Zerkers is pretty nice too.

They are really pushing the Warpsmith. He's in like half the formations.

If anything khârn got worse. Seems to have lost his 2+ to hit anything, and gorechild only has +1 strength as opposed to +2

 Motograter wrote:
If anything khârn got worse. Seems to have lost his 2+ to hit anything, and gorechild only has +1 strength as opposed to +2

Kharn still has his 2+ to hit - its under his Unstoppable rule.

In case that wasn't already mentioned, the Chapter Ancient bundle is a box of 3 Dreadnoughts (which I believe are 3 Furiosos). So they are at quite a discount for the people who really are into Dreadnoughts.

The decorian is free hatred and veterans of long war for all and reroll warlord trait.
And choose any model with champion of chaos rule each turn and roll on the chaos boon table and that model keeps the result for the rest of the game.
It's egh but it's fairly flexible since the core choice of lost and damned isn't bad with being cheap and able to respawn each time it dies on a 4+.
But what does maelstrom of gore core choice get?

 rollawaythestone wrote:

 Motograter wrote:
If anything khârn got worse. Seems to have lost his 2+ to hit anything, and gorechild only has +1 strength as opposed to +2

Kharn still has his 2+ to hit - its under his Unstoppable rule.

Oh I. Lol missed it in with all the rubbish and no daemonkin

 rollawaythestone wrote:
These formations are pretty average-tier in terms of useability. That Decurion is pretty awful though, from my first glance. A free Chaos Boon each turn? Really? 400pts of free Rhinos is equal to a free Chaos Boon.. and it's not even Ob. Sec?

Edit: I guess the Chaos Warband core detatchment is Ob. sec.. so there is that.

Free veterans of long war does save quite a bit of points depending on your lists.


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Roknar wrote:
so what's new with kharn? he looks the same to me?

Yeah, there are no changes to his stats. I was really hoping that there would be a way to use him in KDK. A lot of the formations really don't look that terrible. Not stellar. But some of them have pretty good benefits. Assault out of Deep Strike is good and Fleet+3" for Zerkers is pretty nice too.

Kharn is immune to Insta death from force is that new?

The hellforge warpack is hilarious. You can now cast boon of mutation onto a helbrute/defiler/fiend.

What stupid crap can we do to chaos this week must be question of the day in gw

So far, nothing is new with Khârn. Free VotLW is nice, but it should not be a benefit, it should be baseline.

 Motograter wrote:
Well I've seen the formations and khârn's rules. Save yourself the 30 quid folks

http://i1331.photobucket.com/albums/w581/KhadorBlood/Mobile%20Uploads/C__Data_Users_DefApps_AppData_INTERNETEXPLORER_Temp_Saved%20Images_14284838_10153865857293848_2003333056_o_zpsmr9lgei2.jpg

Those are blurry on my phone. I must ask for someone to type this out or a link to someone that types this out!

Thanks, Motograter, which faction logo is on top of Kharn's datasheet?

What's the betting that GW has a stack of warpsmiths and furiosos they want to clear stock of...

I wonder what the terminator annihilation force does. I'd quite enjoy decent terminators.

Core choices
Cults respawning on 4+ is good
Beserkers with +3 move and fleet and double assault phase just for zerkers is good
The chaos warband is a bit more points but it's not bad in the decorian either since it gives 2 rolls each turn on the boon table that are until end of game and every model is obj secured and you can swap out alms it every named character into the formation. It's almost not worth taking this formation outside the decorian because what's the point you only gain more?

Auxilary
Raptor wing allowing to deep strike and charge is great with free jump pack on lord and reducing leadership is good.

3 demon engines with 1 having 4+ invul (3+ with demon rule) other 2 having rage, and all 3 being able to use demo forge 2x is nice.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Thanks, Motograter, which faction logo is on top of Kharn's datasheet?

He has Champion of Chaos, so we can assume he is Chaos Marine Codex only....still...

Why the hell aren't Veterans of the Legions a core choice for the Black Crusade detachment when the Maelstrom is?

I was all set to say how this isn't SO bad and at least you can make a fluffy legion force with the Crusade detachment when I noticed the little crossed swords and all hope for my army died.

Oh well, guess we wait for the rest of the Crusade books now...hopefully the Renegade Knights give us something to look forward to

So leaked formations is good to see, even if most of them are meh. But, where are those leaked psychic powers at...?

 jifel wrote:
So leaked formations is good to see, even if most of them are meh. But, where are those leaked psychic powers at...?

There is a few stinkers but majority formation rules are solid.
Charge after deepstrike
Respawn entire unit on 4+
Fleet and +3 to charge with double assault for a turn
3+ invul on demon engine with 2x demonforge a game
Obj secured on every model with double boons that you choose which to keep each turn and that last until end of game.

These are some of the best formation rules most armies get.

Eh.. I like the attempt at hyping these rules. They are useable, that is true. But not nearly as good as Space Marines decurion (any variety).

ooh, that cultist one seems like a fun one. I wish they did something similar with conscripts or even guardsmen.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Motograter wrote:
Well I've seen the formations and khârn's rules. Save yourself the 30 quid folks

http://i1331.photobucket.com/albums/w581/KhadorBlood/Mobile%20Uploads/C__Data_Users_DefApps_AppData_INTERNETEXPLORER_Temp_Saved%20Images_14284838_10153865857293848_2003333056_o_zpsmr9lgei2.jpg

Those are blurry on my phone. I must ask for someone to type this out or a link to someone that types this out!

- Kharn: no change as far as I can tell

- maelstrom of gore:
Kharn/chaos lord (free MoK)+ 4-8 units of zerkers
They get +3 charge range and fleet and once per game (basically) get to to attack twice while the opponent only gets to fight back once.

- Black crusade detachement
Command:
1 lord/sorc/prince ( can be special chars)
Core:
either Chaos warband/maelstrom of gore/lost and the damned
Aux: everything else

Reroll warlord trait in VANILLA ONLY
free hatred(armies of imperium) and VotLW
Every turn 1 character gets a free roll on the boons table

- Chaos warband:
1 lord (can be special)
0-1 sorc (can be special)
1-5 chosen/termies/possessed
2-6 marines
1-3 raptors/talons/bikes
1-3 havocs/helbrutes

obsec and they get to roll twice on the table (inlcuding the free roll)

- trinity of blood:
3 lords of skulls

rampage
free S6/AP4 hits on units that are locked with them ( 1 hit per model in the affected unit)
twinlinked if you shoot at the same target

- Favoured of Chaos:
1 prince + 3-5 possessed

The possessed get all mutations at the start of the fight sub-phase if within 12 of the prince.

- raptor talon::
1 lord (free jump pack but not optional)+3-5 Raptors/talons

can charge after deepstrike (disordered)
enemies charged by two or more subtract 2 leadership until end of turn.

- Fist of the gods :
1 warpspith + 3-5 predators/vindicators/land raiders

6++ within 12 of the smith
+1 to repair roll (for those in the formation)

- Cult of destruction :
1-3 warpsmiths + 3-5 oblits/mutilators

you basically get to frontload the damage by shooting/attacking twice in a turn. each smith needs to buff a different unit.

- heldrake terror pack :
2-4 drakes
enemies within 12 of 2/3/4 drakes suffer 1/2/3 leadership pen
Vector strikes against pinned/falling back/ gone to ground units now take D6 S7/AP2 instead.

- Hellforged Warpack :
1 smith + 3-5 hellbrutes/defilers/fiends

get to use daemon forge 3 times
one can be named alpha and becomes a character and gains a 4++. If it dies the rest get rage.

- the lost and the damned :
1 apostle + 4-9 cultists

they come back on a 4+ and get to outflank (when they return on a 4+ only)
6" aoe zealot from the apostle (only for the cultists and him)

And finally updated vindicators and preds. They can squadron up to 3 and as long as all 3 are alive:
vinds get the same apoc blast.
preds get tank hunter and monster hunter. No D for us.

Oh and theres also a terminator annihilation force, veterans of the legion (cult troops) and spawn but those don't have any dataslates in that leak

Spawn as a core choice and an Obliterator formation.

My dark prayers have been answered. I am totally sold.